NO vega 7nm for PC, Sony priorty for AMD..

[Humbug]

9 minutes ago, Cole5 said:

Fantastic, seeing an Xbox with a GPU as powerful as a flagship, that'd be quite funny

What Sony buys will not be a flagship version of Navi.

 

Sony will never pay for a flagship GPU. They want to sell the console cheap. So they always get a midrange GPU which is not too massive and can be manufactured cheap with good yields. So if midrange Navi is going to be in that position for the PS5 then AMD should not have a problem creating a more high end GPU for the PC and workstation market without the low prices, power limits, thermal constraints which are required in the console market.

[TacoSenpai]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

in 2019 nVidia releases the GTX 1085 Ti, GTX 1090 (dual 1080) and TITAN Xpp & TITAN Zp... GTX 1060 Ti and GTX 1075... oh yes and the GT1020... Pascal going stronger than ever... and AMD still clueless on how to beat it.

Honestly at this point I just think someone else entirely needs to get into the PC dedicated GPU business.  Way easier said then done mind you but I don't see any other way right now.

[Humbug]

5 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

how much do you guys trust Forbes? apparently they're saying right about the same thing o_o

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/

They say that the reason Vega disappointed is that most of the engineering staff was put onto Navi so that they don't disappoint Sony.

On the bright side this means that Navi architecture as a whole has got all the focus which is good for PC gamers as well.

[Deedot78]

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

how much do you guys trust Forbes? apparently they're saying right about the same thing o_o

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/

Vega was sacrificed for Navi.  Why not put more resources into driver improvement of Vega, its gonna be last high end product for a while.  Still stinks, we are dependent on Nvidia for new gpus. 

[Hunter259]

1 hour ago, Cole5 said:

Fantastic, seeing an Xbox with a GPU as powerful as a flagship, that'd be quite funny

Both the 360 and the PS3 used pretty high end GPUS at the time of their release. PS3 was around a 7800 GTX and the 360 was a faster X1900. 

[Gullerback]

not at all surprised by this, Its the smart business move tbh. as much as pc users may hate it.

[GDRRiley]

doesn't this contradict what AMD said in there live stream at computex?

And its WCCF so I'm going to take it with this

[niofalpha]

[dtaflorida]

Well, Nvidia isn't releasing anything new for a while. Now we see why. The rest of us only really know what comes out of the news and press releases... it wouldn't be too surprising that Nvidia have some 'inside' info on AMD and vice versa. 

[Cole5]

47 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

Both the 360 and the PS3 used pretty high end GPUS at the time of their release. PS3 was around a 7800 GTX and the 360 was a faster X1900. 

Yupp, Consols are by and large loss leaders, its the games and services that make big cash monies

[Quadriplegic]

Can anyone explain me why people still take WCCFTECH  seriously? 

[Deedot78]

18 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Can anyone explain me why people still take WCCFTECH  seriously? 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#4a2b2f0924fd

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8643/ps5-powered-navi-2020-amd-making-sony-input/index.html

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46526-big-navi-20-is-2020-or-later

 

There you go. All with the same info from some source. 

[Quadriplegic]

11 minutes ago, Deedot78 said:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/12/sources-amd-created-navi-for-sonys-playstation-5-vega-suffered/#4a2b2f0924fd

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8643/ps5-powered-navi-2020-amd-making-sony-input/index.html

https://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/46526-big-navi-20-is-2020-or-later

 

There you go. All with the same info from some source. 

Yet in neither Forbes or Fudzilla articles it is clearly stated that Vega 7 nm is not coming for PC, just speculations at this point. Isn't it better to wait before making bold statements?

[Deedot78]

5 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Yet in neither Forbes or Fudzilla articles it is clearly stated that Vega 7 nm is not coming for PC, just speculations at this point. Isn't it better to wait before making bold statements?

Not as a gamer card. That's from AMD themselves, look at the slides.

[Taf the Ghost]

5 minutes ago, Quadriplegic said:

Yet in neither Forbes or Fudzilla articles it is clearly stated that Vega 7 nm is not coming for PC, just speculations at this point. Isn't it better to wait before making bold statements?

We haven't seen anything from AMD about bringing 7nm Vega to Consumer. It'd be a better Compute card anyway. Vega needs HBM2, which is really expensive. Navi will use GDDR5, 5X and 6, more than likely. Going up the SKU list.

[JediFragger]

AMD will survive just fine on the low/mid-end volume market, if anyone wants any more performance then it'll just have to be paid for. Thank fuck i just got a 1080Ti + X34P, they best last me a while!!! I have no problems dropping to Medium, looks great on current and probably future titles

[Trixanity]

Never in my life have I read so much BS.

The roadmap is pretty clear. 7nm Vega this year and only for ML/AI. Navi next year which is still GCN and will be the last. Brand new architecture 2020. Subject to change of course but AMD reiterated that roadmap last week.

 

Whether or not Navi was made with the PS5 in mind sounds like speculation and it remains to be seen that even if that was the case what impact it would have on the final product that will make its way into a graphics card. The chip making its way into the PS5 will still be very different from whatever makes its way into a card. With that being said the research going into one is still very valid for the other hence it doesn't necessarily mean that PC suffers. It's pretty clear that we won't see a big chip because GCN is still quite limited and it seems doubtful Navi will do much to help that due to the wasted effort it would be. With a potential dedication to a midrange chip with maximum perf/W/mm^2 seems to be the perfect solution for a PS5/Xbox/Polaris replacement.

[Cookybiscuit]

4 hours ago, orbitalbuzzsaw said:

The Polaris stuff is still competitive to nVidia's midrange, or will be when prices return to normal. 

I'm sure that'll happen any day now, it's only been a couple of years since AMD cards have been not worth buying for gaming.

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

1 minute ago, Cookybiscuit said:

I'm sure that'll happen any day now, it's only been a couple of years since AMD cards have been not worth buying for gaming.

At currenty prices the 580 8GB is a bit better value than the 1060 6G

[Morgan Everett]

5 hours ago, Cookybiscuit said:

I'm sure someone will pull the numbers and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm quite certain neither Nvidia, AMD or Intel give too big a shit about the PC gaming crowd as it's such a small market. AMD essentially pulling out of it for the next 2+ years proves this.

 

This is of course assuming this is all true, it is WCCF.

Nvidia most certainly care: gaming accounts for over half their revenue!

[Thinkfreely]

WCCFTECH = Ingredients

Add 1 grain of salt.

Stir in a cup of uncertainty

Bake for 3-4 months until golden brown or truth has solidified.

 

[Dabombinable]

So....its going to be Nvidia for gaming cards on the high end for another 3 years......

[CTR640]

6 hours ago, potoooooooo said:

AMD isn't clueless, they know exactly how to beat Pascal. They're investing in the future right now. They can't afford to tell sony and microsoft to go fuck themselves, they've been the most loyal customers to AMD since the PS3 and Xbox 360 released. Giving them priority is the right move, for now and for the future.

PS3 didn't have AMD GPU, it had nVidia GPU, namely RSX.

 

Even if AMD would tell MS and Sony to go fuck themselves, MS and Sony simply cannot afford to go to nVidia so they have to. And Intel got shit integrated poop so no choice but AMD.

[cj09beira]

4 hours ago, Deedot78 said:

Vega was sacrificed for Navi.  Why not put more resources into driver improvement of Vega, its gonna be last high end product for a while.  Still stinks, we are dependent on Nvidia for new gpus. 

dont forget that the people making drivers arent the ones designing the hardware, and navi even if it isn't the full 64 cus will probably be at least as fast as a vega 64 because 7nm should clock much better and they focused on scalability according to an old slide, but my guess is that it will be very close to 64 cus

[leadeater]

2 hours ago, Thinkfreely said:

WCCFTECH = Ingredients

Add 1 grain of salt.

Stir in a cup of uncertainty

Bake for 3-4 months until golden brown or truth has solidified.

 

Flip cake every 1 to 3 weeks to ensure golden brown on all sides evenly.