Apple banned cryptocurrency mining on ios devices

[spartaman64]

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Apple's new policy is apparently motivated in part by concerns that cryptocurrency mining could drain the batteries of mobile devices. "Apps, including any third party advertisements displayed within them, may not run unrelated background processes, such as cryptocurrency mining," the policy states.

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Apple guidelines also now state that cryptocurrency apps "may not offer currency for completing tasks, such as downloading other apps, encouraging other users to download, posting to social networks."

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3.1.5 (b) Cryptocurrencies:

(i) Wallets: Apps may facilitate virtual currency storage, provided they are offered by developers enrolled as an organization.

(ii) Mining: Apps may not mine for cryptocurrencies unless the processing is performed off device (e.g. cloud-based mining).

(iii) Exchanges: Apps may facilitate transactions or transmissions of cryptocurrency on an approved exchange, provided they are offered by the exchange itself.

(iv) Initial Coin Offerings: Apps facilitating Initial Coin Offerings ("ICOs"), cryptocurrency futures trading, and other crypto-securities or quasi-securities trading must come from established banks, securities firms, futures commission merchants ("FCM"), or other approved financial institutions and must comply with all applicable law.

(v) Cryptocurrency apps may not offer currency for completing tasks, such as downloading other apps, encouraging other users to download, posting to social networks, etc.

While it is pointless to mine with ios devices I don't like the aspect where Apple is telling you what you can and cannot do with your device. Even if doing something is stupid it shouldn't be prohibited as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Also with computers getting ever more energy efficient 10 years or so in the future mobile devices might be contenders for use in crypto mining. And this doesn't help with apps that secretly mine bitcoin without your consent as some people might say since those apps are illegal even without this rule anyways. Also, the second part of the guidelines where apps can't offer cryptocurrency for doing things like downloading other apps, taking surveys, or posting things to social media makes me wonder if they allow apps that offer money for said actions and if so why would ones that offer cryptocurrencies be singled out. This is the more serious portion imo since while mining using your phone is pointless it's not crazy for people to want to use such apps that offers crypto for the use of their time.

 

source: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/new-apple-guidelines-no-cryptocurrency-mining-on-iphone-or-ipad/

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/11/dont-even-think-about-trying-to-bitcoin-with-your-iphone.html

[NMS]

2 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

as long as it doesn't hurt anyone

You sure about this? The GPU prices didn't skyrocket because of DRAM shortage only.

 

Good for Apple, that's another good thing they did out of 100 shitty ones.

[ARikozuM]

So, it's okay for EA to give me an ad after EVERY. FUCKING. GAME. OF. PVZ2., but it isn't okay for another app to mine coins? Consistency. 

[spartaman64]

Just now, NMS said:

You sure about this? The GPU prices didn't skyrocket because of DRAM shortage only.

 

Good for Apple, that's another good thing they did out of 100 shitty ones.

idk how this would affect gpu prices. i dont think there is a way for people to connect their gpus to their phone

[Guest]

It's a great move. I don't want any ads running crypto mining programs on my phone. I want my data to be used by me, and only me. 

[spartaman64]

Just now, RorzNZ said:

It's a great move. I don't want any ads running crypto mining programs on my phone. I want my data to be used by me, and only me. 

except this move doesn't affect those at all since they are already illegal. this only affects apps where you mine intentionally

[NMS]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

idk how this would affect gpu prices. i dont think there is a way for people to connect their gpus to their phone

I presume you meant mining in general. And specifically, on desktops.

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

So, it's okay for EA to give me an ad after EVERY. FUCKING. GAME. OF. PVZ2., but it isn't okay for another app to mine coins? Consistency. 

It's to heighten your sense of pride and accomplishment in mowing down those zombies.

[spartaman64]

Just now, NMS said:

I presume you meant mining in general. And specifically, on desktops.

this has no effect on desktop mining

[ARikozuM]

2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

It's a great move. I don't want any ads running crypto mining programs on my phone. I want my data to be used by me, and only me. 

These are apps that are explicitly downloaded for mining and cryptocurrency. 

[sazrocks]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

except this move doesn't affect those at all since they are already illegal. this only affects apps where you mine intentionally

How though? Your quote says "may not run unrelated background processes, such as cryptocurrency mining" (emphasis mine). If the process is not unrelated I don't see how its not allowed.

[NMS]

Just now, spartaman64 said:

this has no effect on desktop mining

Alright, let me help you out here.

From what you wrote in the OP, I got the idea that you meant mining in general hence my response that mining drove GPU prices up and that's why mining DOES hurt.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

except this move doesn't affect those at all since they are already illegal. this only affects apps where you mine intentionally

You're not going to get any money anyway. How can Apple guarantee great battery life under warranty if people are chugging their phones 24/7?

[LamoidZombieDog]

apple is shit now, tim cookie destroyed it

what do you expect

[spartaman64]

9 minutes ago, NMS said:

Alright, let me help you out here.

From what you wrote in the OP, I got the idea that you meant mining in general hence my response that mining drove GPU prices up and that's why mining DOES hurt.

as i stated in the title this is about mining on IOS devices eg ipads. iphones etc so its not about mining in general

9 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

You're not going to get any money anyway. How can Apple guarantee great battery life under warranty if people are chugging their phones 24/7?

you might be able to get money in the future and they could issue a warranty statement saying they wont cover battery life if you mine cryptocurrency which would be a better move

9 minutes ago, sazrocks said:

How though? Your quote says "may not run unrelated background processes, such as cryptocurrency mining" (emphasis mine). If the process is not unrelated I don't see how its not allowed.

that part is fine and was probably already illegal but they also went beyond that and prohibited purposeful mining as well. i updated my post to make that more apparent

[Guest]

1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

you might be able to get money in the future and they could issue a warranty statement saying they wont cover battery life if you mine cryptocurrency which would be a better move

Apple really care about the service that they can provide for their products, and not how much money a user can make from them. You're not really buying the right phone if you want to mine on them or do advanced stuff. An iPhone is designed for the average consumer as a flashy-cool device. Not a tinkering device or super-high tech. Its designed to be robust and dependable. 

[Enderman]

A mobile device is not a server that is built to run at 100% load 24/7/365.

 

Running an artificial computing load constantly just shortens the lifespan and will make batteries and other components fail sooner, causing apple to lose money having to repair the devices of all these dumb people who think mining on mobile is profitable.

 

You can't stick your phone in a microwave and claim warranty on it, so you shouldn't be able to mine on it and claim warranty.

[spartaman64]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

A mobile device is not a server that is built to run at 100% load 24/7/365.

 

Running an artificial computing load constantly just shortens the lifespan and will make batteries and other components fail sooner, causing apple to lose money having to repair the devices of all these dumb people who think mining on mobile is profitable.

 

You can't stick your phone in a microwave and claim warranty on it, so you shouldn't be able to mine on it and claim warranty.

then what apple needs is a clause in their warranty stating that the warranty is invalid if you crypto mine. that would be superior to apple's current solution since the current solution doesnt cover people writing their own apps to crypto mine

[asus killer]

I don't like crypto but Apple shouldn't be dictating what people can and can't do with their own devices as long as it isn't illegal.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

9 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Apple really care about the service that they can provide for their products, and not how much money a user can make from them. You're not really buying the right phone if you want to mine on them or do advanced stuff. An iPhone is designed for the average consumer as a flashy-cool device. Not a tinkering device or super-high tech. Its designed to be robust and dependable. 

I feel it's more on the lines of... if a smartphone really is the best device you have to mine with... you should find a new hobby. 

[Enderman]

6 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

then what apple needs is a clause in their warranty stating that the warranty is invalid if you crypto mine. that would be superior to apple's current solution since the current solution doesnt cover people writing their own apps to crypto mine

I agree, that should also be in the warranty.

Maybe it already is, idk.

But putting it in the warranty doesn't mean they can prove you mined with it once it comes in for warranty repair.

Prevention is the best method.

 

5 minutes ago, asus killer said:

I don't like crypto but Apple shouldn't be dictating what people can and can't do with their own devices as long as it isn't illegal.

If it can cause accelerated damage to the phone which can't be obviously detected (eg water damage or microwaving) and refused warranty, then yes it should definitely be disallowed.

How would you like to have to spend extra money to fix people's devices because they damage them on purpose but you have no way of proving that?

 

Easy for people like you to hate on apple without understanding how the manufacturing and consumer product industry works.

[abazigal]

7 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

then what apple needs is a clause in their warranty stating that the warranty is invalid if you crypto mine. that would be superior to apple's current solution since the current solution doesnt cover people writing their own apps to crypto mine

That feels like a slippery slope. So someone who plays around with a mining app for 10 minutes is to be subject to the same penalties as someone using their phone to mine 24/7? In the former, the impact to the phone would have been negligible. 

 

Plus, how do you go about attributing the cause of phone damage to mining cryptocurrency anyways? I don’t think it is unreasonable for Apple to explicitly bar processes that they know can hasten the rate of deterioration of your phone. 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

I feel it's more on the lines of... if a smartphone really is the best device you have to mine with... you should find a new hobby. 

Well I mean think of the price of an iPhone to the crypto that you would get. Not exactly a goldmine. 

[captain_to_fire]

43 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

While it is pointless to mine with ios devices I don't like the aspect where Apple is telling you what you can and cannot do with your device. Even if doing something is stupid it shouldn't be prohibited as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

I'm pretty sure ARM based devices like the iPhone or any other phone aren't meant for cryptomining. Besides, if a person wants full control of their device, then the iPhone shouldn't be the phone they're getting. Also, cryptomining on a phone can turn it to a lovely black brick especially when it's a malware in disguise so I applaud Apple for doing this.

 

Remember that when it comes to Apple: Their platform, their operating system, their rules.

 

[asus killer]

3 minutes ago, Enderman said:

If it can cause accelerated damage to the phone which can't be obviously detected (eg water damage or microwaving) and refused warranty, then yes it should definitely be disallowed.

How would you like to have to spend extra money to fix people's devices because they damage them on purpose but you have no way of proving that?

 

Easy for people like you to hate on apple without understanding how the manufacturing and consumer product industry works.

that makes no sense, there are games that can tax your phone, should they be disallowed as well? someone may want to play 24/7

should we not be allowed to run benchmarks on a PC like prime95 and the likes for the same reason?

 

if the phone is in danger by running something for to long do as intel and amd does, throttle it. In fact Apple already does it. And they also warn you when it gets to hot