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20 hours ago, Mornincupofhate said:

false and false.

I know plenty of athletes that have used weed for a long, long time.

I've also used weed for a long, long time, I now code even better than before I started.

im not saying it makes you stupid. i am saying that there is medical evidence that suggests that it can lead to worse short term memory. second heat is bad for your lungs it leads to an increased chance of developing cancer

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9 minutes ago, SlipperyPete said:

im not saying it makes you stupid. i am saying that there is medical evidence that suggests that it can lead to worse short term memory. second heat is bad for your lungs it leads to an increased chance of developing cancer

Only for a short while, once the THC leaves your system you go back to normal.

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Just to explain weed to OP:

Weed isn't some PCP-like drug that makes you violent and want to go strangle people. It can be related to having a drink or two.

Personally when I'm high, I can't do much, let alone go choke out my landlord. Quite the opposite can happen after you've had a few drinks of alcohol.

 

It's just a mellow substance overall. Shouldn't even be called a drug.

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1 hour ago, Mornincupofhate said:

Shouldn't even be called a drug.

Well it is a drug.

 

Thats like saying water isnt H20, doesnt make no sense. Go look up what a drug is first!

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6 hours ago, Egg-Roll said:

If healthy eating is more effort than buying canned/frozen fruit in juice (for cans), bananas and a bag of apples, then booze up by all means as far as I'm concerned you don't actually take much consideration towards your health anyways. I also never dismissed small amount of wine is bad, but the issues with beer vs the benefits are something I can't tell someone to take it up for, ever. For other drinks I know a few have benefits but to me they are too pricey to justify vs other sources. Seriously is it that hard to throw in frozen berries, mangos peaches or other fruits into a blender then throwing that blender into a dishwasher?

 

Any reputable media source would at least attempt to put their sources or at least the agency who did them... Anything less than that to me is either unreliable possibly misleading or at the very least downright sloppy journalism. I don't need legitimate sources as to why I shouldn't start drinking, because no legitimate source will be dumb enough to encourage people to drink. This is because people are stupid, they will skip lines possibly going so as to go out buy a 12 pack and consume the whole thing then drive home possibly killing someone (or many) in the process.

 

You go find me a source from a reputable agency USA/EU/Canada that states those over 25 should drink to promote health because there is no other source.

 

Or maybe not enough to become used to it yet.

Getting frozen food from the store to your freezer is an even bigger challenge than counting nutrients and making sure you have enough of everything, when all you have to instead is pop vitamin pills and eat anything you like.

 

Also tinned vegetarian foods are often filled with additional syrup / juice / sugars / preservatives / salt. I wouldnt ever call food that comes in a can healthy.

 

A can of peaches with HFCS as its top ingredient isnt healthy. Then some fruits like mangos, pineapples, watermelons are simply a challenge for a lot of people to get back home from the supermarket, especially so if you have medical reasons that prevent you from driving / lifting / carrying as I do.

 

And shopping online isnt ever a solution to this as you never get end of day reductions online to save up to 90%+ on your groceries.

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Great new video from Healthcare Triage on the harms of Cannabis:

What's the take away?

 

1. MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED!

2. The harms are significantly less than many other (including legal) drugs and substances

3. The risks for those at high risk of mental health still seem pretty significant - don't smoke pot if you have a history of mental health!

4. Driving while stoned is bad! You're 20-30% more likely (relative, not absolute) to get into a car accident if you drive while stoned.

 

What does that mean? Should everyone go start smoking pot? No. If you didn't consume Cannabis before, and don't want to start? Then don't! No rational person will pressure you into trying it.

 

However, if you enjoy it, or want to experience it, don't fret too much about whether it'll kill you. Do your own research, be thorough, and understand the risks. But once you've done that? Enjoy it, if you want.

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19 hours ago, Canada EH said:

Well it is a drug.

 

Thats like saying water isnt H20, doesnt make no sense. Go look up what a drug is first!

Alcohol is a drug. So is caffeine.

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On 6/12/2018 at 11:20 PM, dalekphalm said:

What does that mean? Should everyone go start smoking pot? No. If you didn't consume Cannabis before, and don't want to start? Then don't! No rational person will pressure you into trying it.

 

However, if you enjoy it, or want to experience it, don't fret too much about whether it'll kill you. Do your own research, be thorough, and understand the risks. But once you've done that? Enjoy it, if you want.

I don't think recommending smoking weed is a good idea.

It's still very, very illegal in a lot of places. That's possibly the biggest risk with weed. Getting caught and being harshly punished.

 

 

On 6/12/2018 at 11:32 PM, Mornincupofhate said:

Alcohol is a drug. So is caffeine.

You: Weed shouldn't be called a drug.

Him: Well it is a dug. Go look up what drug means.

You: Alcohol is a drug. So is caffeine.

 

What is your point? Weed is a drug. It doesn't make sense to say it isn't.

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On 6/12/2018 at 4:32 PM, Mornincupofhate said:

Alcohol is a drug. So is caffeine.

Anything that can get you addicted to or otherwise reach for over something else can be seen as a drug, so basically sugar can be seen as a drug too.

 

On 6/11/2018 at 10:02 PM, Bhav said:

Getting frozen food from the store to your freezer is an even bigger challenge than counting nutrients and making sure you have enough of everything, when all you have to instead is pop vitamin pills and eat anything you like.

Vitamins are 90% junk because your body can't always process them. Vitamin D (forget which) is a prefect example as it requires fat to reach where it functions best. Also that's poor logic and will still cause health issues even if vitamins worked as people think they do.

 

On 6/11/2018 at 10:02 PM, Bhav said:

Also tinned vegetarian foods are often filled with additional syrup / juice / sugars / preservatives / salt. I wouldnt ever call food that comes in a can healthy.

 

A can of peaches with HFCS as its top ingredient isnt healthy.

Read the labels while not sure about where you are, food here you have choices. For example Del Monte low sodium cans for green beans have 10mg per 1/2 can (I think it isn't right next to me).

 

For pears with fruit juice from Walmart it contains no sodium and only has natural sugars from the fruit. That is why I said in Fruit Juice because anything less than that is worst for you than buying the real thing and freezing it.

 

On 6/11/2018 at 10:02 PM, Bhav said:

 Then some fruits like mangos, pineapples, watermelons are simply a challenge for a lot of people to get back home from the supermarket, especially so if you have medical reasons that prevent you from driving / lifting / carrying as I do.

 

And shopping online isnt ever a solution to this as you never get end of day reductions online to save up to 90%+ on your groceries.

True I don't buy watermelons for this reason, I can't be bothered with pineapples due to the skin, and I don't care for mangos, but dragon fruit yum but still a pain to bring back :P Truth be told I have more issues bringing bananas back over anything else due to the shape.

 

The second part of the first line is geo based. Where I live, even with mobility issues requiring a walker/cane there is no excuse (next to bad weather, winter or otherwise hazardous to your health outside conditions, tho this doesn't seem to stop some people). Both of my parents have mobility issues one more so than the other and they cross a intersection nearly daily that has 2 red light cameras and ignorant drivers who rather nearly run over pedestrians than look and yield. 

 

You aslo can't use a 90% off argument for day end goods and eat anything you like in the same argument... I've given up on discounted foods mostly because they are now borderline garbage by the time they get there... 15 years ago you could pick up 2-4 pounds of grapes for $1-2, now it's like .5lb for $2 which depending on location and sales is a complete rip off, yet people still buy it.

 

Over all proper planning even with disabilities you could eat healthy unless regionally speaking it is impossible and the gov has no help for the disabled, and your family/neighbours refuse to assist.

On Saturday I picked up over 6lb of Bok Choy, some grapes and a white radish for under $9 (plus $7.5 in transit), locally I would have spent the same amount (in less time) but nothing would of been as fresh as what I got(the radishes are usually dried out here costing about 5x more), and possibly in less quantity.

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On 6/12/2018 at 5:02 AM, Bhav said:

Getting frozen food from the store to your freezer is an even bigger challenge than counting nutrients and making sure you have enough of everything, when all you have to instead is pop vitamin pills and eat anything you like.

 

Also tinned vegetarian foods are often filled with additional syrup / juice / sugars / preservatives / salt. I wouldnt ever call food that comes in a can healthy.

 

A can of peaches with HFCS as its top ingredient isnt healthy. Then some fruits like mangos, pineapples, watermelons are simply a challenge for a lot of people to get back home from the supermarket, especially so if you have medical reasons that prevent you from driving / lifting / carrying as I do.

 

And shopping online isnt ever a solution to this as you never get end of day reductions online to save up to 90%+ on your groceries.

Wait. You're trying to argue that drinking alcohol is healthy, but when it comes to things that are actually healthy, like eating properly, then you blame disabilities and "it's too hard"? Come on dude...

You don't need to count nutrients if you think a little bit, and cook your own food.

 

As for vitamins. There are only really 3 supplements you want to take (if you have a somewhat decent diet).

  1. If you are a woman, it might be a good idea to take iron supplements since a lot of women has an iron deficiency (about 1 in 10 women).
  2. Omega-3 fatty acids has a lot of benefits, and it is something people often don't get enough of (comes mainly from certain types of fish, nuts and seeds).
  3. And the last one is vitamin D, but only people who gets very little sunlight exposure needs that (like us Swedes during the winter).

Everything else is easily obtained through a decent diet (which is to say, make your food from scratch, eat a varied diet in appropriate portions). You don't even need to read the nutrients labels if you do that.

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3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

I don't think recommending smoking weed is a good idea.

Who is recommending smoking weed?

3 hours ago, LAwLz said:

It's still very, very illegal in a lot of places. That's possibly the biggest risk with weed. Getting caught and being harshly punished.

In some places, yes. In many places, it is legal or quasi legal (such as quite a few US states).

 

Everyone should know their local laws. Though the risk largely depends on where you live. Canada, for example? If you consume Cannabis in private and don't bother anyone, there's next to no risk of running afoul of the law, despite it technically being illegal still.

 

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On 6/11/2018 at 7:25 AM, Bhav said:

Not really:

 

https://www.eatthis.com/benefits-of-alcohol/

 

Also I will never agree with or understand anti drug rhetorics, when they lead to medicinal cannabis being seized at airports, and doctors being over ridden even if they needed to prescribe it and it worked:

 

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/charlotte-caldwells-medicinal-cannabis-oil-for-son-is-confiscated-at-heathrow-11401552

Errr...you can't transport drugs like that across international lines. That's not new, and frankly makes perfect sense.

Anyone thinking they can ins simply an idiot.

On 6/11/2018 at 8:24 AM, xXxAdamxXx said:

Speaking from experience I think most people should avoid weed until they're into adulthood and have their life in order and are less susceptible to wasting money on addictions. After that - if you've got your stuff in order and are responsible and can do something in moderation - then whatever, it's less likely to give you cancer and organ failure than alcohol.

I'd argue the opposite. If you have your fun with it when you're younger, you have a much lower chance of fucking up a high paying job because of it.  You also know how to control yourself more, as you've had experience with said product. Lastly, most people do it when they're young, and it phases out as they get older.

On 6/11/2018 at 12:04 PM, VegetaFajita said:

First, try and call it Cannabis, not pot or weed.

Second, the real truth is it can replace thousands of over the counter and prescription medication, and completely destroy the paper industry.

Welcome to why "weed" is actually illegal across the world.

It's mostly America's fault, as is everything else wrong with the world.

How does it affect the paper industry?

While the US does have issues, it's far from the cause of everything wrong in the world. There are many, many other worse countries than the US.

Islamic extremists, for example. Or Middle Eastern countries that have much lower rights for women.

 

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1 hour ago, dizmo said:

I'd argue the opposite. If you have your fun with it when you're younger, you have a much lower chance of fucking up a high paying job because of it.  You also know how to control yourself more, as you've had experience with said product. Lastly, most people do it when they're young, and it phases out as they get older.

I agree with the last part, but that is all... You're better off not touching it at all rather then trying it when you are young. I was around users but never once used it. No idea where they are now in life but they were smart at using it (once a day to 3 times a week tops), about half went to uni but that's all I know, like I said they were smart about it.

 

If you like it and end up abusing it or get hooked because your dealer adds shit to make it addictive or harm you, it could destroy your life.

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1 minute ago, Egg-Roll said:

I agree with the last part, but that is all... You're better off not touching it at all rather then trying it when you are young. I was around users but never once used it. No idea where they are now in life but they were smart at using it (once a day to 3 times a week tops), about half went to uni but that's all I know, like I said they were smart about it.

 

If you like it and end up abusing it or get hooked because your dealer adds shit to make it addictive or harm you, it could destroy your life.

That's the thing though. You're lumping people who are frequent users in with people that fail or have a harder time with life, and that's frankly incorrect. I have several friends who were/are heavy stoners, every day, multiple times a day. Many of them make well in excess of $100k a year and are very successful in their careers. You know what else ruins peoples lives? Lottery tickets. Casinos. Sports betting. There's tons of things that one can get addicted to. It all comes down to the person. If they already have an addictive personality, then virtually anything will have the same affect. Honestly, if you're smoking every day, you have a good enough relationship with your dealer that he's going to treat you right. Weed isn't like crack. While some dealers do both, it's very rare.

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18 hours ago, dizmo said:

That's the thing though. You're lumping people who are frequent users in with people that fail or have a harder time with life, and that's frankly incorrect. I have several friends who were/are heavy stoners, every day, multiple times a day. Many of them make well in excess of $100k a year and are very successful in their careers. You know what else ruins peoples lives? Lottery tickets. Casinos. Sports betting. There's tons of things that one can get addicted to. It all comes down to the person. If they already have an addictive personality, then virtually anything will have the same affect. Honestly, if you're smoking every day, you have a good enough relationship with your dealer that he's going to treat you right. Weed isn't like crack. While some dealers do both, it's very rare.

Where did I lump everyone into one category? When I said I don't know where they are now? If so you assumed. I said that because I genuinely have no idea what they are doing with their lives, sure I could go rummaging through my stuff to find my yearbook all for what? to see how someone is doing who once used weed? That's stupid. Like I said however about half went to university(could be more), the other half I would assume did either what I did or went directly to college.

 

I should also point out I don't associate myself with abusers or heavy users, not now (esp) and not back then, and yes there were some, hell I knew a alcoholic kid in grade 8 but never talked to them less school projects...

 

That's the other thing you are basically saying it's ok to smoke or try by always arguing how "some" people are doing great, which sure with hundreds of thousands of users I'm sure there are several making good money. There is no law stating you have to hire someone who smokes weed for casual use, in fact if you smoke it before or your clothes smell like it for a interview and it bugs them in any way it could literally destroy your chances at working there, there are laws for medicinal weed however but once again they can decline you from working there if health issues arise. Also weed literally effects every person differently, so suggesting to try it young/old is possibly the most idiotic thing to say w/o knowing the persons medical and genetic background. So no it is still better off not trying it than trying it, if you want to keep arguing to try it at least once, why no go and try skydiving at least once w/o a parachute, or risk it not deploying? Sure skydiving w/o a parachute is more likely to kill you than possibly smoking once from someone who doused your joint with rat poison, but they both have risks for something you can easily say no to and both give no real benefits that can't be obtained through other safer sources.

 

My reference towards users turned into abusers could also have other associations that could be associated to becoming addicted, including having a bad lover just like alcohol.

Also if it is not from a legitimate/legal source ALWAYS assume it has been altered to some degree, no matter how trustworthy they may be or seem, unless you saw them take it from the plant and give it to you. If you buy it raw less chemicals sprayed onto the plant (for whatever reason, good or bad) the worst that will happen is you'll be smoking fake (including if pre rolled plain fillers) stuff... But then there are other complications about that as well.

 

Just remember a dealer can put nicotine (or others) into your stuff, it's a perfect way of almost guaranteeing you to return. Esp if you're new, then they could ween/cold turkey you off the nicotine stuff at which time you buy more because it doesn't have it, so you smoke more. Not saying they all do it or even most, but they still can.

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1 hour ago, Egg-Roll said:

Just remember a dealer can put nicotine (or others) into your stuff, it's a perfect way of almost guaranteeing you to return. Esp if you're new, then they could ween/cold turkey you off the nicotine stuff at which time you buy more because it doesn't have it, so you smoke more. Not saying they all do it or even most, but they still can.

This is why we should be striving to legalize Cannabis for recreational use across the world.

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3 hours ago, CK1968 said:

All the drug addicts start off at one and usually end up in jail or in a cemetery.

 

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I sure hope they all end up in the cemetery. It would be really scary having a bunch of undead drug addictions roaming around. 

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1 hour ago, LAwLz said:

I sure hope they all end up in the cemetery. It would be really scary having a bunch of undead drug addictions roaming around. 

But, but, but I want my zombie apocalypse... Preferably the ignorant rich douchebags before druggies, but I'm not fussy :P

 

19 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

This is why we should be striving to legalize Cannabis for recreational use across the world.

When Canada was announcing the legalization of it, while I don't use it I was happy about it.

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On 6/14/2018 at 4:13 PM, dalekphalm said:

This is why we should be striving to legalize Cannabis for recreational use across the world.

Like it makes a bloody difference!??? For the average person that is...

 

- Many jobs, especially trades, pee test on a regular basis. So it's "safer" for your career to do cocaine or liquor over weed because it flushes out of your system overnight. You can lose your job overnight if you, or anyone around you gets into an accident because you're gonna get pee tested. And that annoys me so much because trades people are infamous for doing drugs, some of which are nasty. But god forbid you consume the least harmful drug in the world called cannabis. The other drugs are "fine" because they flush out of your system within one day. Objectively speaking, if you don't care about your well-being then weed is the worst drug you can possibly do because of pee tests. That's what I'm trying to say.

- Most landlords in Canada make you sign an agreement not to consume cannabis on the premises. I know that people do it anyway, but it feels like there are virtually no places where you're "allowed" to smoke cannabis.

- Canada will be mocked by prude North Americans for being absolute stoners. And it really doesn't help that Canadians are very friendly and polite. Canada will be the cannabis capital of the world, mark my words. British Columbia is already known world-wide for making some of the best cannabis. Canada has other qualities...I hope? It's not like Canadian food or culture is very memorable. But I'm jaded because I live in Alberta. Quebec is a different story being more French, therefore more invested in culture and tradition. But my point is, Canada won't be known for anything but cannabis, maple syrup and beavers. It's not...a bad combination!?

 

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23 minutes ago, kokakolia said:

 Canada won't be known for anything but cannabis, maple syrup and beavers. It's not...a bad combination!?

and poutine!

How do Reavers clean their spears?

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12 minutes ago, Tsuki said:

and poutine!

OMG! Smoke's Poutine + Weed = good times!

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3 hours ago, kokakolia said:

Like it makes a bloody difference!??? For the average person that is...

 

- Many jobs, especially trades, pee test on a regular basis. So it's "safer" for your career to do cocaine or liquor over weed because it flushes out of your system overnight. You can lose your job overnight if you, or anyone around you gets into an accident because you're gonna get pee tested. And that annoys me so much because trades people are infamous for doing drugs, some of which are nasty. But god forbid you consume the least harmful drug in the world called cannabis. The other drugs are "fine" because they flush out of your system within one day. Objectively speaking, if you don't care about your well-being then weed is the worst drug you can possibly do because of pee tests. That's what I'm trying to say.

This is a temporary problem, until they can perfect Cannabis testing. Once they are able to precisely measure intoxication level - similar to Alcohol - this will not be an issue at all.

 

And frankly, you shouldn't work stoned anyway, just like you shouldn't work drunk.

 

Medicinal Cannabis is of course a different situation, but if you have a valid prescription, you can arrange an exemption with your employer. Plus typically Medicinal Cannabis is more CBD focused strains - often ones that contain little or no THC, so you're not even stoned.

3 hours ago, kokakolia said:

- Most landlords in Canada make you sign an agreement not to consume cannabis on the premises. I know that people do it anyway, but it feels like there are virtually no places where you're "allowed" to smoke cannabis.

Yeah that's okay with me. You can still consume edibles.

 

If a Landlord decides that their building is smoke free, that's their legal right. Whether that smoke is from tobacco cigarettes, or from Cannabis joints, doesn't matter.

 

With that mind, once it's recreationally legal, their ability to prevent you from consuming it in private outside areas will be more limited. And again, if you are prescribed medicinal Cannabis, you're already exempt.

 

Different provinces have different ways of approaching use. Some are banning public use in general, others are not. The Federal Government is leaving a lot of the choice up to the provinces.

3 hours ago, kokakolia said:

- Canada will be mocked by prude North Americans for being absolute stoners. And it really doesn't help that Canadians are very friendly and polite. Canada will be the cannabis capital of the world, mark my words. British Columbia is already known world-wide for making some of the best cannabis. Canada has other qualities...I hope? It's not like Canadian food or culture is very memorable. But I'm jaded because I live in Alberta. Quebec is a different story being more French, therefore more invested in culture and tradition. But my point is, Canada won't be known for anything but cannabis, maple syrup and beavers. It's not...a bad combination!?

To be honest, I think that this is far less of a problem then people think.

 

Recreational use is already legal in 8 states, with an additional 20-some-odd states having legal Medicinal use. The US is going to see Federal Recreational legalization within the next 5 years, I'd guess.

 

People are not going to just see Canada as some "weed capital".

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On 6/16/2018 at 12:02 AM, dalekphalm said:

This is a temporary problem, until they can perfect Cannabis testing. Once they are able to precisely measure intoxication level - similar to Alcohol - this will not be an issue at all.

 

And frankly, you shouldn't work stoned anyway, just like you shouldn't work drunk.

 

Medicinal Cannabis is of course a different situation, but if you have a valid prescription, you can arrange an exemption with your employer. Plus typically Medicinal Cannabis is more CBD focused strains - often ones that contain little or no THC, so you're not even stoned.

Yeah that's okay with me. You can still consume edibles.

 

If a Landlord decides that their building is smoke free, that's their legal right. Whether that smoke is from tobacco cigarettes, or from Cannabis joints, doesn't matter.

 

With that mind, once it's recreationally legal, their ability to prevent you from consuming it in private outside areas will be more limited. And again, if you are prescribed medicinal Cannabis, you're already exempt.

 

Different provinces have different ways of approaching use. Some are banning public use in general, others are not. The Federal Government is leaving a lot of the choice up to the provinces.

To be honest, I think that this is far less of a problem then people think.

 

Recreational use is already legal in 8 states, with an additional 20-some-odd states having legal Medicinal use. The US is going to see Federal Recreational legalization within the next 5 years, I'd guess.

 

People are not going to just see Canada as some "weed capital".

Weed is totally legal in North Korea. Western governments are bigger oppressors than the totalitarian north Koreans 

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6 hours ago, wasab said:

Weed is totally legal in North Korea. Western governments are bigger oppressors than the totalitarian north Koreans 

Well there’s a false comparison if I’ve ever seen one. 

 

North Korea oppresses people to a much larger degree in almost every area. 

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On 2018-06-08 at 11:10 PM, Blebekblebek said:

It just bad as drinking beer, or breathing.

 

Government trying so hard to make propaganda about how bad weed is.

 

Alcohol is a lot worse than weed. Just saying.

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