AMD Unveils Its 7nm Vega GPU

[AtlasWraith]

AMD is currently killing it (in theory) with their latest announcements. The new Threadripper is going to be a beast on its own league, but as a PC gamer, this is more important to me:

 

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AMD will have Vega on 7nm inside of the upcoming new Radeon Instinct part, which thanks to 7nm will feature 35% more performance over the previous-gen 14nm part, with twice the power efficiency that means it can do it all with under half the power consumption.

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This now means AMD is ahead of the GPU game in one area, as even Volta is only on 12nm.

 

I will be waiting to see real world benchmarks on these, because In my opinion, this basically means that gaming GPUs from AMD from here on out better drown NVIDIA's pascal at the bare minimum. Otherwise, they will come off as clearly not caring about gamers. And I think we already get enough of that from other sources (looking at you, EA).

 

P.S. (To NVIDIA) Still need more reasons to bring on the next generation GPUs?

 

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[cj09beira]

don't worry this isn't coming to the consumer market anytime soon

[Jurrunio]

7 minutes ago, AtlasWraith said:

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This now means AMD is ahead of the GPU game in one area, as even Volta is only on 12nm.

 

I will be waiting to see real world benchmarks on these, because In my opinion, this basically means that gaming GPUs from AMD from here on out better drown NVIDIA's pascal at the bare minimum. Otherwise, they will come off as clearly not caring about gamers. And I think we already get enough of that from other sources (looking at you, EA).

1. In process node, yes. In reality, no. Process node shrink couldnt help the disadvantage in efficiency of the architecture itself.

 

2. 7nm Vega are workstation cards only with a price tag only those using it to make money will be able to afford

 

3. New cards from Nvidia seems to come in July 30, and unlikely to be Pascal refresh.

[GoldenLag]

I believe they are dropping consumer this year. 7nm vega is a "pipe-cleaner" for navi. Not to mention the yields are only suited for data-center to manage to turn a profit

[AtlasWraith]

2 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

don't worry this isn't coming to the consumer market anytime soon

I agree, but the feeling of hope for the power of the next consumer cards still remains. If they can destroy pascal with their new GPUs, then we'll finally have some damn competition in the market.

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, AtlasWraith said:

I agree, but the feeling of hope for the power of the next consumer cards still remains. If they can destroy pascal with their new GPUs, then we'll finally have some damn competition in the market.

sorry but dont get your hopes up, amd is stuck with 64 cus for a while, which means that their only way to improve perf is clocks and extra instructions/more cache etc things that are harder to do, navi should be a good contender for the mid range but no more than that, maybe if they can join 2 of them together, but thats a big maybe

[Ildiesalot]

Can't wait to see cards that scream hot and power hungry, then for NVidia to release FINALLY release the next set of cards which will run exactly 5% faster for half the power and be $500. Because fuck NVidia. They always innovate enough and just in time to be 5% ahead of the competition, instead of actually moving the market forward.

[hconverse02]

6 minutes ago, Ildiesalot said:

They always innovate enough and just in time to be 5% ahead of the competition, instead of actually moving the market forward.

That's definitely not innovation, it's just marketing.

[Princess Luna]

33 minutes ago, AtlasWraith said:

The new Threadripper is going to be a beast on its own league, but as a PC gamer, this is more important to me:

Intel brings a 28 cores i9 that can sustain 5ghz overclock... yawns to TR2.

 

33 minutes ago, AtlasWraith said:

P.S. (To NVIDIA) Still need more reasons to bring on the next generation GPUs?

When you need to go as low as 7nm to have any chance of competing with the competition's 16nm... lmao nope nVidia is also yawning.

[leadeater]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Intel brings a 28 cores i9 that can sustain 5ghz overclock... yawns to TR2.

Who then panics and runs away and hides it .

Can do 5Ghz but only on chilled water and 32 phaes with 4 EPS 8 pin power connectors, just your average setup lol.

[mynameisjuan]

54 minutes ago, Ildiesalot said:

Can't wait to see cards that scream hot and power hungry, then for NVidia to release FINALLY release the next set of cards which will run exactly 5% faster for half the power and be $500. Because fuck NVidia. They always innovate enough and just in time to be 5% ahead of the competition, instead of actually moving the market forward.

So fuck Nvidia for being a business? 

 

People will bitch when they save money because competition isnt there, but if Nvidia went balls out, AMD wouldnt be in the game anymore and then people would bitch that Nvidia is a monopoly or that "I just bought a 1080 and a year later the 1180 come out with 20% perf boost, they're ripping me off. I JUST BOUGHT THIS!"

 

Make up your mind people

[Blademaster91]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Intel brings a 28 cores i9 that can sustain 5ghz overclock... yawns to TR2.

 

When you need to go as low as 7nm to have any chance of competing with the competition's 16nm... lmao nope nVidia is always yawning.

That Intel 28 core had some insane power delivery on the boards they're showing, hoping that isn't their next flagship i9.

AMD needs to make a GPU that doesn't suck in comparison to Nvidia's 16nm but it would probably just mean another mining boom as long as their cards are good at mining.

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Who then panics and runs away and hides it .

Can do 5Ghz but only on chilled water and 32 phaes with 4 EPS 8 pin power connectors, just your average setup lol.

I know I'm just sayin' while first gen Ryzen completely ran over Intel and put to an end their abusive HEDT practices where you'd have to sell an arm and a leg for 6 cores / 8 cores CPUs nowadays things are quite back on track... so it's silly act like AMD is constantly changing the game.

 

I didn't even really mind that part much, it's more about this 7nm Navi that more often than not people seem to over-exaggerate how good these GPUs are going to be, they act like it's a complete deal change that will destroy nVidia much in the same fashion(or even more) first gen Ryzen managed to against Intel... and we know there's no miracle.

[leadeater]

10 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

I know I'm just sayin' while first gen Ryzen completely ran over Intel and put to an end their abusive HEDT practices where you'd have to sell an arm and a leg for 6 cores / 8 cores CPUs nowadays things are quite back on track... so it's silly act like AMD is constantly changing the game.

Eh, it would be mildly impressive if this 28c HEDT CPU was actually going to be a thing. Very much doubt it, just a PR stunt. Would have rather just seen it on a normal AIO or custom loop with a mild OC, then it would at least be worth talking about in the context of something achievable and performance to aspire to.

 

Intel right now for HEDT has 7980XE and that's it, there is nothing on a short term road map to compete with 32 core TR2. Not that I think the 32 core TR2 is a good buy or a balanced product but it has one thing over Intel, it's real and can be purchased soon (ish).

 

7nm Vega is basically the same story, it's for datacenter only, costs an arm and a leg, won't be any better at gaming, will still use a fair wack of power pushed to its max 64 CU max clocks. 7nm Navi is probably going to be better but it doesn't need to match Pascal it needs to match what ever is after it and it needs to do it without all the pitfalls of current Vega or it's going right back to being ignored.

[jasonvp]

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

7nm Navi is probably going to be better but it doesn't need to match Pascal it needs to match what ever is after it 

This is key and a thing companies often goof up.  Successful companies shoot for where their competitors will be, not where their competitors are.

[JediFragger]

1 minute ago, jasonvp said:

This is key and a thing companies often goof up.  Successful companies shoot for where their competitors will be, not where their competitors are.

And the top 1% compete against themselves

[leadeater]

2 minutes ago, jasonvp said:

This is key and a thing companies often goof up.  Successful companies shoot for where their competitors will be, not where their competitors are.

If you aim for double the best of what your competitor has then you at least won't be massively behind, Vega being hyped as faster than 1080 at the start was fine when it was current and new but after a year the hype should have been 2x 1080 Ti (and deliver it).

[laminutederire]

38 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Intel brings a 28 cores i9 that can sustain 5ghz overclock... yawns to TR2.

 

When you need to go as low as 7nm to have any chance of competing with the competition's 16nm... lmao nope nVidia is also yawning.

Well if you get threadripper at 4.3-4Ghz with 32 cores at half the price, threadripper2 will crush Intel even more. (The clock scaling as we have already seen depends less on core count on Amd's side.)

[thorhammerz]

52 minutes ago, Ildiesalot said:

Can't wait to see cards that scream hot and power hungry, then for NVidia to release FINALLY release the next set of cards which will run exactly 5% faster for half the power and be $500. Because fuck NVidia. They always innovate enough and just in time to be 5% ahead of the competition, instead of actually moving the market forward.

It's almost like Nvidia is a company with the interests of its shareholders in mind over those of the sheep gamers who still buy whatever they dump onto the market .

[I-r0k]

It is like the rushed 8th gen intel. A direct response to the other side. 

[The Benjamins]

2 minutes ago, I-r0k said:

It is like the rushed 8th gen intel. A direct response to the other side. 

That is basically confirmed at this point, when the low end boards started to release was when 8th gen was originally scheduled 

[Ildiesalot]

38 minutes ago, thorhammerz said:

It's almost like Nvidia is a company with the interests of its shareholders in mind over those of the sheep gamers who still buy whatever they dump onto the market .

Well maybe this will finally give AMD the push it needs to become competitive, and we can actually start seeing a healthier market.

 

Of course, probably not.

[Christophe Corazza]

1 hour ago, Princess Cadence said:

Intel brings a 28 cores i9 that can sustain 5ghz overclock... yawns to TR2.

 

@Princess Cadence Unfortunately that's not a thing anymore 

 

 

[TheRandomness]

1 hour ago, Pangea2017 said:

35% faster marketing is bad. Reality will be some where between 10-20. Paired with the bad vega performance this does not look like they will be better then the 10 series of nvidia.

Just look at intel what upto x times faster means.

'Bad performance'
Small reminder that the performance wasn't what made Vega bad, it was the power consumption and price.

[ravenshrike]

 

4 minutes ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

@Princess Cadence Unfortunately that's not a thing anymore 

 

 

You gotta think that whoever pushed that internally in Intel is either currently getting slapped upside the head or soon will be.