Apple plans to kill off 2010 and 2011 Mac Support with macOS 10.14 Mojave*

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2018 at 7:51 AM, AluminiumTech said:

Apparently the reasoning behind dropping support for those devices is lack of Metal support.

That is precisely the reason. 

 

You can tell tell right away with how the old 2010 Mac Pro is supported but only if it has a metal compatible GPU installed. 

 

Metal requires chips with at least somewhat modern capabilities, and macOS basically runs on Metal these days. 

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2018 at 8:30 AM, Kierax said:

GF's 2011 MBP has a 250GB Samsung SSD in it, and is quite a capable machine.  

It’s integrated graphics aren’t compatible with Metal and therefore the Mac isn’t compatible with macOS Mojave. 

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2018 at 8:17 AM, VegetableStu said:

still rocking a mid-2012 MBP ._. I've a feeling they're going to chuck that next year

 

no motivation to upgrade it even after that point (so far)

The cutoff point is entirely related to the graphics of the older 2011 machines. Unless the next version of Metal changes the GPU requirements, the 2012s should stick around for a little while longer. 

[DrMacintosh]

On 6/5/2018 at 11:05 AM, GoodBytes said:

Yes, but the latest version of Windows and Linux can be installed on very old system past 10 years.

Do it I dare you 

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[Blademaster91]

30 minutes ago, NoodleFish said:

Apple users themselves are pretty ignorant. I remember last year on craigslist, you could have grabbed your self a "totally relevant" MacBook from 2010 for $600 CAD. Lmao, get a life ppl.

Thats pretty much what you find for macbooks on craigslist or ebay, you sure won't see that with any recent macbooks since they have alot more failures than what are considered the last true pro laptops.

it's like luxury cars on craigslist, people sell it before its a totally worthless money pit.

12 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

It’s integrated graphics aren’t compatible with Metal and therefore the Mac isn’t compatible with macOS Mojave. 

Because Apple chose not to support it, only thing worth Mojave is dark mode and they finally add desktop folders within folders,gallery with JPEG info in the window, the release is about as dry as the desert it's named after lol.

And imagine the shitting on if Microsoft made Windows incompatible with all 2010-2011 hardware.

[DrMacintosh]

2 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

And imagine the shitting on if Microsoft made Windows incompatible with all 2010-2011 hardware

The two companies have very different approaches to software. 

 

Microsoft with Windows 10 needs as many devices as possible to run their OS for a variety of reasons that are good and bad. 

 

Apple wants macOS on devices that can give, at the minimum, satisfactory user experiences. Something that 2011 hardware can not provide given the choices being made for macOS Mojave. 

 

And sure you can run Windows 10 on a system like this:

But I would bet that you wouldn’t have a very good time doing it. 

 

 

[GoodBytes]

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The two companies have very different approaches to software. 

 

Microsoft with Windows 10 needs as many devices as possible to run their OS for a variety of reasons that are good and bad. 

 

Apple wants macOS on devices that can give, at the minimum, satisfactory user experiences. Something that 2011 hardware can not provide given the choices being made for macOS Mojave. 

That a funny one. How many times i hear people complaining about upgrading their "old" iMacs, or iPhones or iPad with the latest OS, only to be greeted with nothing more than a shit experience. So no, I don't buy what you said for 1 min. I know where you are coming from, and logically it would make sense, but sadly that is not the truth.

[DrMacintosh]

8 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

How many times i hear people complaining about upgrading their "old" iMacs, or iPhones or iPad with the latest OS, only to be greeted with nothing more than a shit experience

https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-12-preview/

[suicidalfranco]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The two companies have very different approaches to software. 

 

Microsoft with Windows 10 needs as many devices as possible to run their OS for a variety of reasons that are good and bad. 

 

Apple wants macOS on devices that can give, at the minimum, satisfactory user experiences. Something that 2011 hardware can not provide given the choices being made for macOS Mojave. 

 

And sure you can run Windows 10 on a system like this:

But I would bet that you wouldn’t have a very good time doing it. 

 

 

 

[Christophe Corazza]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

The two companies have very different approaches to software. 

 

Microsoft with Windows 10 needs as many devices as possible to run their OS for a variety of reasons that are good and bad. 

 

Apple wants macOS on devices that can give, at the minimum, satisfactory user experiences. Something that 2011 hardware can not provide given the choices being made for macOS Mojave. 

 

And sure you can run Windows 10 on a system like this:

But I would bet that you wouldn’t have a very good time doing it. 

 

 

 

The rwo companies have very different market strategies.

 

Apple’s strategy is selling consumers its hardware while Microsoft makes profit from its Windows operating system (software). Therefore, it is in Microsoft’s benefit that as many devices as possible are able to run Windows. That’s basic esonomics: the larger the potential market, the more sales.

Apple, on the other hand, sells computers. They need to create a potential market by making hardware obsolete.

[Christophe Corazza]

6 hours ago, NoodleFish said:

Apple users themselves are pretty ignorant. I remember last year on craigslist, you could have grabbed your self a "totally relevant" MacBook from 2010 for $600 CAD. Lmao, get a life ppl.

 

Those ignorant users can be found on both OS platforms. For example, take a look at those “very fast gaming computers” that people sell on second hand websites. Some are just a complete joke! People think that what they originally payed for the hardware is also what it is worth today.

[Blademaster91]

3 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

That a funny one. How many times i hear people complaining about upgrading their "old" iMacs, or iPhones or iPad with the latest OS, only to be greeted with nothing more than a shit experience. So no, I don't buy what you said for 1 min. I know where you are coming from, and logically it would make sense, but sadly that is not the truth.

Yeah even though people recommend buying an old iPhone, anything more than one or two iOS updates and the experience is shit, along with Apple throttling the cpu because of the battery.

1 hour ago, Christophe Corazza said:

The rwo companies have very different market strategies.

 

Apple’s strategy is selling consumers its hardware while Microsoft makes profit from its Windows operating system (software). Therefore, it is in Microsoft’s benefit that as many devices as possible are able to run Windows. That’s basic esonomics: the larger the potential market, the more sales.

Apple, on the other hand, sells computers. They need to create a potential market by making hardware obsolete.

Well except Apple sells both, they're artificially ending support for hardware that would run still Windows 10 just fine for example a C2D is just fine as a day to day computer, and Apple are very good anyway at making hardware obsolete with known design flaws that causes something to fail.

[Virus__]

On 06/06/2018 at 12:56 AM, AluminiumTech said:

Taken on their own I'd say not a big deal but Apple's rate of killing off device support seems to have increased in the past few years.

 

From 2013 to 2015 the requirements for macOS didn't change much. From 2016 onwards the requirements have changed a lot more.

 

Given this pattern I can only hope Apple doesn't kill off 2012 Mac support in 2019.

Tbh it's MUCH better than the Steve Jobs days. I had late 2007 Santa Rosa Core 2 Duo MacBook, it came with Leopard, I was able to upgrade to Snow Leopard & maybe Lion, but a lot of features were not supported from memory. So that was maybe 3 years worth of support then dropped. So 8 years support ain't bad in comparison.

 

Just like the iPhones, the 4S was supported upto iOS 9, where as the iPhone 4, dropped support at iOS 7. Where as now, the 5S is STILL being supported & will get iOS 12 & it came out in 2013

[Christophe Corazza]

15 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

with Apple throttling the cpu because of the battery.

 

Or so they claim...

 

17 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Well except Apple sells both

 

true, but their focus is still more on the hardware rather than the software.

Following this reasoning: Microsoft also sells hardware 

 

20 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

they're artificially ending support for hardware that would run still Windows 10 just fine for example a C2D is just fine as a day to day computer, and Apple are very good anyway at making hardware obsolete with known design flaws that causes something to fail.

 

That's part of the Apple trickery they often pull off with their customers.

[79wjd]

3 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

Yeah even though people recommend buying an old iPhone, anything more than one or two iOS updates and the experience is shit, along with Apple throttling the cpu because of the battery.

My old 5s still runs just fine on iOS 11. So, yes, old iPhones are still fine. 

3 hours ago, Christophe Corazza said:

 

Or so they claim...

It's the only thing that makes any sense.....so yes. 

 

[niculw]

I still have a running early 2011 macbook pro. All it needs is a new battery and it can last even longer.  It never got metal support, so it sucks at anything graphical, but for anything else it is fine. Oh and i upgraded the hard disk to an ssd. How many windows users can say they still have a fully functioning 7 year old computer? Im curious.

[Drak3]

1 hour ago, niculw said:

How many windows users can say they still have a fully functioning 7 year old computer? Im curious.

Any that bought a computer in the same price range.

[Christophe Corazza]

1 hour ago, niculw said:

How many windows users can say they still have a fully functioning 7 year old computer? Im curious.

 

I have a few devices that are even older and run Windows 10 just fine.

 

I never sell my old hardware, so I got a pretty nice collection to tinker around with as my guinea pigs ;-)

[suicidalfranco]

2 hours ago, niculw said:

I still have a running early 2011 macbook pro. All it needs is a new battery and it can last even longer.  It never got metal support, so it sucks at anything graphical, but for anything else it is fine. Oh and i upgraded the hard disk to an ssd. How many windows users can say they still have a fully functioning 7 year old computer? Im curious.

still have a compaq laptop from 2006, and a 17" macbook pro from 2007. One is forever stuck at Yosemite, the other is running Ubuntu 18.04

[JoeCoke]

"Macs last longer!!!"

 

Meanwhile, Windows 10 can be installed on a rock.

[79wjd]

14 minutes ago, 2Buck said:

"Macs last longer!!!"

 

Meanwhile, Windows 10 can be installed on a rock.

And perform like a potato. 

[JoeCoke]

3 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

And perform like a potato. 

Not the point, not even close.

[Cheezdoodlez]

59 minutes ago, suicidalfranco said:

still have a compaq laptop from 2006, and a 17" macbook pro from 2007. One is forever stuck at Yosemite, the other is running Ubuntu 18.04

And I'm guessing the evil Apple overlords are stopping you from putting ze bionic beaver on your macbook?

[Drak3]

6 minutes ago, Cheezdoodlez said:

And I'm guessing the evil Apple overlords are stopping you from putting ze bionic beaver on your macbook?

They're trying like hell.

[Zodiark1593]

3 hours ago, niculw said:

I still have a running early 2011 macbook pro. All it needs is a new battery and it can last even longer.  It never got metal support, so it sucks at anything graphical, but for anything else it is fine. Oh and i upgraded the hard disk to an ssd. How many windows users can say they still have a fully functioning 7 year old computer? Im curious.

I have an 8 year old HP laptop that I gave an SSD when the original HDD failed, new battery, mild cpu upgrade (i5-460M to 540M) have regularly abused with multi-day render and encode sessions, torn down and put back together several times, and it still functions just fine.