Budget PC Suggestions

[Jason Krushbone]

    I got this system nearly four years ago from a friend that bought it new.  It still performs fairly well and I have had litte issues with it.  The AIO cooler's liquid ran out and I replaced it with a Corsair H60.  One of the DIMM slots was defective so I replaced the Intel Board with this ASRock one.  I also added 12TB of Storage and slapped it in a Corsair Air 540 case.   Yes I really like Corsair products and wish to use them wherever possible.  All that being said I feel it is time to build my next 5-7 year system (this system base is 7-ish years old) and I want to do it based on a Ryzen CPU.  Go ahead laugh at my Computersaurus Rex, I do often, then I cry.

I am on a very limited income so all components will have to be puchased over time.  My goal is to build a PC no worse that what I have now and RGB the crap out of it for the least amount of money and be able to update it  when I can relatively cheap.  Below is my proposed build and reasons:

Case---------------Corsair Air 540-------------------------------------------------Already have, and it is a Sexy Beast

Motherboard----Asus - ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi)------------------Seems to have a lot of  upgradeability and features that I want.

CPU 1------------Ryzen 3 1300x--------------------------------------------------AMD, cheap, and no worse than what I currently have.

CPU Cooler-----Corsair H115i Pro----------------------------------------------Corsair and RGB...nuff said.

RAM 1--------------2x16 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4 3600-----Corsair, RGB, and can buy more later to max board at 64 GB.

RAM 2--------------2x16 GB Corsair Vengeance RGB DDR4 3600-----Matches previous and max that motherboard can support

CPU 2------------Ryzen 7 2700x-------------------------------------------------Compatible with motherboard, way better than what I currently have, and can be purchased later.

HDD 1 -----------1TB WD Black -------------------------------------------------Already have, OS installed.

HDD 2------------4 TB HGST Deskstar-----------------------------------------Already have, Games Library installed.

HDD 3------------8 TB seagate Barracuda------------------------------------Already have, Media storage drive

SSD 1------------1 TB Samsung Evo m.2-------------------------------------Plan to clone OS HDD to it and use it for primary drive

GPU--------------EVGA 1050ti---------------------------------------------------Getting from a friend super cheap and better than my GTX 570's.  Frakk you cryptocurrency miners!

PSU-------------- EVGA 750 watt-----------------------------------------------Already have want to update to a Corsair Hx1200i or atleast a fullu modular Corsair

Optical-----------LG Bluray burner---------------------------------------------Already Have will eventually put in HTPC that my current machine will build.

 

     So to wrap it all up I figure MOBO $300, Ryzen 3 1300x $110, H115i Pro $140, and 32 Gb  RGB RAM $440.  So for $990 or less I should be able to build a good starter system with room to upgrade as I can afford.

The only thing I cannot seem to understand is which speed of the Corsair RGB RAM should I get and that is compatible with both the 1300x and the 2700x.

 

Any thoughts (no prayers please, they don't work), suggestions, or comments would be much appreciated. Keep in mind I want Maximum Corsair  RGB. 

 

[Jurrunio]

What will you do with this thing?

 

1300x offers worse gaming performance than a 2600k, so dont buy new CPU, mobo and RAM before you you can afford at least a 6 core.

[Jason Krushbone]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

What will you do with this thing?

 

1300x offers worse gaming performance than a 2600k, so dont buy new CPU, mobo and RAM before you you can afford at least a 6 core.

I primarily will be gaming.  Think I should try and go straight for the ryzen 7 2700x?

[DocSwag]

6 minutes ago, ninjastealthy said:

I primarily will be gaming.  Think I should try and go straight for the ryzen 7 2700x?

Yes. If you're just gaming an 8700k would probably be a little bit better rn tho.

[Jason Krushbone]

9 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Yes. If you're just gaming an 8700k would probably be a little bit better rn tho.

I want AMD.  

[DocSwag]

1 minute ago, ninjastealthy said:

I want AMD.  

why, upgradability?

[DarkSmith2]

I upgraded from a 2600k (mostly 24/7 overclocked to 4.2GHz ), havnt changed GPU yet (GTX970).

Bought a 8700k overclocked it to 5GHz, running DDR4-3600 CL15 wanna know what changed in my gaming experience?

 

First thing is, in GPU bound games average fps obviously arent much different. Well but im having alot less stutter due to alot better frametimes and a lot higher minimum FPS, resulting in a way smoother gaming experience. Most videos on youtube are showing those "little" differences in avgFPS saying its not worth it to upgrade if you have something like a 2600k but trust me, it is. Alot has changed since 2011 and i wish i would had upgraded earlier.

 

FPS in CPU bound games is a different story.

F.e. CSGO: 

avg FPS with my 2600k ~250-300 with drops to 150.

avg FPS with my 8700k ~450-600 with drops to 350. 

 

This is only one example, but results are the same across the board of the many many CPU bound games im playing including Diablo3, World of Warcraft and such, it just performs like my old 2600k times two. Even 20-40FPS gain in PUBG and 100FPS gain in BF1. 

 

So i guess with either, AMD or Intel you'll see alot of improvement, with the Intel it probably would be a little more in CPU bound games. But the AMD should be a really decent upgrade too. Im just not getting why you are aiming for the 8core. Especially if you have little money and the huge core count doesnt really do alot if you are only gaming. You should get the r5 2600x or i7 8700k...

[Jason Krushbone]

36 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

why, upgradability?

I have always liked AMD and want to support them.  The only reason I have this Intel is the system was given to me for my birthday.  Not saying its bad, I just would prefer an AMD.

Also I am sick and tired on Intel's naming scheme, it makes my brain hertz...lolz

[Jason Krushbone]

24 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

I upgraded from a 2600k (mostly 24/7 overclocked to 4.2GHz ), havnt changed GPU yet (GTX970).

Bought a 8700k overclocked it to 5GHz, running DDR4-3600 CL15 wanna know what changed in my gaming experience?

 

First thing is, in GPU bound games average fps obviously arent much different. Well but im having alot less stutter due to alot better frametimes and a lot higher minimum FPS, resulting in a way smoother gaming experience. Most videos on youtube are showing those "little" differences in avgFPS saying its not worth it to upgrade if you have something like a 2600k but trust me, it is. Alot has changed since 2011 and i wish i would had upgraded earlier.

 

FPS in CPU bound games is a different story.

F.e. CSGO: 

avg FPS with my 2600k ~250-300 with drops to 150.

avg FPS with my 8700k ~450-600 with drops to 350. 

 

This is only one example, but results are the same across the board of the many many CPU bound games im playing including Diablo3, World of Warcraft and such, it just performs like my old 2600k times two. Even 20-40FPS gain in PUBG and 100FPS gain in BF1. 

 

So i guess with either, AMD or Intel you'll see alot of improvement, with the Intel it probably would be a little more in CPU bound games. But the AMD should be a really decent upgrade too. Im just not getting why you are aiming for the 8core. Especially if you have little money and the huge core count doesnt really do alot if you are only gaming.

Thank you for your insights and observations, much appreciated.  Primarily gaming, more than likely will be doing some video editing and rendering aswell.  I want to start a youtube channel soonish so I can be like my hero Linus.

[DocSwag]

43 minutes ago, ninjastealthy said:

I have always liked AMD and want to support them.  The only reason I have this Intel is the system was given to me for my birthday.  Not saying its bad, I just would prefer an AMD.

Also I am sick and tired on Intel's naming scheme, it makes my brain hertz...lolz

My person opinion is that companies are companies and that you should just buy what's best for you. I can't make the decision for you though, in the end it's your choice.

 

If you're just gaming though a 2600/2600x would be a better buy over a 2700/x though.

41 minutes ago, ninjastealthy said:

Thank you for your insights and observations, much appreciated.  Primarily gaming, more than likely will be doing some video editing and rendering aswell.  I want to start a youtube channel soonish so I can be like my hero Linus.

If you use premier a covfefe lake cpu would be quite a bit better because of iGPU acceleration. I know other stuff like Sony Vegas like more cores tho

[Taf the Ghost]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

What will you do with this thing?

 

1300x offers worse gaming performance than a 2600k, so dont buy new CPU, mobo and RAM before you you can afford at least a 6 core.

While the 1300X is not the way to go, I'm pretty sure it would actually perform better in most titles. The 2600k is a legend, but the I/O is so much faster for Clock vs Clock comparisons that it would game better.

 

However @ninjastealthy should go for a 2600(x) build. Best of the utility you're talking about.

 

Also, boot drive SSD, and you'll most definitely need to reinstall the OS. 

[Jurrunio]

40 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

While the 1300X is not the way to go, I'm pretty sure it would actually perform better in most titles. The 2600k is a legend, but the I/O is so much faster for Clock vs Clock comparisons that it would game better.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3002-amd-r3-1200-review-line-between-fine-and-exciting/page-4

 

Ehm, no. 2600k wins every time, just a matter of how much. That is Ryzen with 2933MHz RAM already

[Taf the Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3002-amd-r3-1200-review-line-between-fine-and-exciting/page-4

 

Ehm, no. 2600k wins every time, just a matter of how much. That is Ryzen with 2933MHz RAM already

So the 1300X is generally faster at stock, but the 4.7 Ghz OC let's the 2600k get ahead with a 1080 Ti. Though the fact both have 8 threads means you won't get the microstutters you can see with the 2500k. 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

So the 1300X is generally faster at stock, but the 4.7 Ghz OC let's the 2600k get ahead with a 1080 Ti. Though the fact both have 8 threads means you won't get the microstutters you can see with the 2500k. 

1300x has SMT? You sure? It's not the 1500X

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1300x has SMT? You sure? It's not the 1500X

Too much discussion of lower SKU Ryzen parts, lol. You're right on the 1300X having only 4 threads.

[DarkSmith2]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3002-amd-r3-1200-review-line-between-fine-and-exciting/page-4

 

Ehm, no. 2600k wins every time, just a matter of how much. That is Ryzen with 2933MHz RAM already

yea, FPS wise the 2600k is still pretty good. But what about frametimes? Well i show some graphs.

 

See how much has changed since 2011, Not saying the 2600k is really bad, but in CPU heavy games its just not fun. When i played on my new RIG for the first time i litterally was missing the hiccups ive never really noticed before and was so used to. One might say you can reduce this by playing on a higher resolution than 1080p which is kinda true.. But still.. i think its time to move on even when taking a small performance hit in raw FPS numbers.

 

[Jurrunio]

58 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

See how much has changed since 2011, Not saying the 2600k is really bad, but in CPU heavy games its just not fun. When i played on my new RIG for the first time i litterally was missing the hiccups ive never really noticed before and was so used to. One might say you can reduce this by playing on a higher resolution than 1080p which is kinda true.. But still.. i think its time to move on even when taking a small performance hit in raw FPS numbers.

Link to that site pls. Interested in their test setup. Also, I'm not comparing 2600k to 6700k up there. What else do you want from something that's 4 years older?

[DarkSmith2]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Link to that site pls. Interested in their test setup. Also, I'm not comparing 2600k to 6700k up there. What else do you want from something that's 4 years older?

Ah, i havnt said that they directly compete with each other, just wanted to point out that frametimes of older CPUs are horrible compared to newer CPUs and that its an additional factor when considering "should i upgrade or not". Because the FPS comparissons on reviews are often not telling this part of the story and im curious poeple are interessted. The 2600k is a perfect example of a powerful CPU that lacks something newer CPU generation dont, if you only take a look at the raw FPS without seeing frametimes you might think the 2600k is still good enough, when in reality it can be the source of a lag/stutter fiesta.

 

This is the article:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Skylake-vs-Sandy-Bridge-Discrete-GPU-Showdown

 

(and i just picked it up from googling "2600k frametimes", pretty sure you can find more comparissons also with other CPUs)

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Ah, i havnt said that they directly compete with each other, just wanted to point out that frametimes of older CPUs are horrible compared to newer CPUs and that its an additional factor when considering "should i upgrade or not". Because the FPS comparissons on reviews are often not telling this part of the story and im curious poeple are interessted. The 2600k is a perfect example of a powerful CPU that lacks something newer CPU generation dont, if you only take a look at the raw FPS without seeing frametimes you might think the 2600k is still good enough, when in reality it can be the source of a lag/stutter fiesta.

 

This is the article:

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Skylake-vs-Sandy-Bridge-Discrete-GPU-Showdown

 

(and i just picked it up from googling "2600k frametimes", pretty sure you can find more comparissons also with other CPUs)

This isnt the case when comparing 2600k to 1300x, and newer doesnt mean it's necessary to be better. New buyers shouldnt consider 2600k yes, but replacing a 2600k with a 1300x is a shame to the old chip.

[DarkSmith2]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

This isnt the case when comparing 2600k to 1300x, and newer doesnt mean it's necessary to be better. New buyers shouldnt consider 2600k yes, but replacing a 2600k with a 1300x is a shame to the old chip.

Chips dont have feelings... I see where you are coming from, upgrading a 2600k to an r3 might not be the biggest upgrade but sad enough, for gaming, it is one, unless you won the silicon lottery back then or going harakiri with overclocks till it dies while be the proud owner of some very fast DDR3 sticks. Ok the difference might not be big enough to buy.

 

If i would buy a new gaming PC i wouldnt even consider anything less than a new i7 though, but a R5 is really beating the sh*t out of Sandybridge.. ;/, in everything.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

Chips dont have feelings... I see where you are coming from, upgrading a 2600k to an r3 might not be the biggest upgrade but sad enough, for gaming, it is one, unless you won the silicon lottery back then or going harakiri with overclocks till it dies while be the proud owner of some very fast DDR3 sticks. Ok the difference might not be big enough to buy.

 

If i would buy a new gaming PC i wouldnt even consider anything less than a new i7 though, but a R5 is really beating the sh*t out of Sandybridge.. ;/, in everything.

R5? 1300x is an R3.

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

R5? 1300x is an R3.

yea and i said a r5 is a better upgrade path than the r3 1300x, got a problem with that?

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, DarkSmith2 said:

yea and i said a r5 is a better upgrade path than the r3 1300x, got a problem with that?

so how does this

6 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

upgrading a 2600k to an r3 might not be the biggest upgrade but sad enough, for gaming, it is one,

work?

[DarkSmith2]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

so how does this

work?

its works this way. If i would want to upgrade i wouldnt buy a R3 either because its only a small one. 

So i would just buy an R5 and be miles ahead. Got it?

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

its works this way. If i would want to upgrade i wouldnt buy a R3 either because its only a small one. 

So i would just buy an R5 and be miles ahead. Got it?

so you're saying 1300x is better than 2600k in games, just not good enough to be practical?