Nvidia: No next gen graphics cards for a long time

[Wh0_Am_1]

Hey everyone! Nvidia has announced at Computex tonight that there will be no new GPU for a long time. This comes right after Jensen discussed the success of the GeForce cards as a distributed computing platform and the booming success of games such as PUBG and Fortnite.

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2:11AM ET: Q. When is the next GeForce coming to market? A. A long time from now. (source Tom's Hardware)

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02:17AM EDT - Q: When is the next GeForce? A: I'll invite you. There will be lunch. But it's a long time. (source ANANDTECH)

So the question is, why is this happening, is Nvidia having issues or is the GTX 10 series just too successful for Nvidia to inovate?

Now Nvidia once again discussed Raytracing or Nvidia RTX , and one has to ask, how does Nvidia plan to power this because right now you apparently need 4 titan V100s 

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2:06AM ET: Q. When will real time ray tracing come to the mainstream? Still requires four Volta V100's to run now. A. Will take some time to shrink the compute power down to a smaller device. Game developers and film editors can use this now to speed image production, eventually it will come to the mass market. (source Tom's Hardware)

and the Pascal generation of cards is already 2 years old, so how long can Nvidia make us wait before it starts to hurt? And when are we getting the 1180? I don't know about you guys but this is starting to get tedious.

[Jurrunio]

yay, my card keeps its value

[Senzelian]

Meh.
Maybe a good time for AMD to make a move.

[GoldenLag]

AMD, our lord and savior, please bestow upon us the blessing of competition

[Wh0_Am_1]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

yay, my card keeps its value

Yes, it certainly will.

 

Just now, Senzelian said:

Meh.
Maybe a good time for AMD to make a move.

This also leaves a good opening for Intel this coming year.

[Enderman]

Probably another year, they're in no rush, AMD's only got decent GPUs right now.

Also they're probably making more money from server and deep learning hardware than consumer hardware at this point.

[Wh0_Am_1]

Just now, Enderman said:

Probably another year, they're in no rush, AMD's only got decent GPUs right now.

Also they're probably making more money from server and deep learning hardware than consumer hardware at this point.

Yeah you are probably right.

[Senzelian]

Just now, Wh0_Am_1 said:

 

This also leaves a good opening for Intel this coming year.

 

I don't think Intel will release a gaming GPU anytime soon or did Nvidia's announcement also count for other GPUs?

[Wh0_Am_1]

Just now, Senzelian said:

 

I don't think Intel will release a gaming GPU anytime soon or did Nvidia's announcement also count for other GPUs?

Intel has a project lined up to launch in 2019, at least that was the last I heard on the subject.

[Wh0_Am_1]

5 minutes ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Intel has a project lined up to launch in 2019, at least that was the last I heard on the subject.

Ok, this is from Forbes, 

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"It's no secret Intel wants to return to the dedicated GPU market, but we were previously led to believe its plan would revolve around designing a GPU for data centers. Those plans, however, will be extended to the PC gaming space to compete with the duopoly of Nvidia and AMD by the year 2020"

And as we know 2020 is not that far away.

[GoldenLag]

The annoying thing is that Nvidia doesnt have to put out a new GPU in a loooooooong time. Vega 7nm probably isnt going blow people away. From what we know of Navi it is only going to perform roughly like a 1080. So at the time a mid range card like the polaris cards

 

Its not like we have other choices in the GPU space.

[Wh0_Am_1]

3 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

The annoying thing is that Nvidia doesnt have to put out a new GPU in a loooooooong time. Vega 7nm probably isnt going blow people away. From what we know of Navi it is only going to perform roughly like a 1080. So at the time a mid range card like the polaris cards

 

Its not like we have other choices in the GPU space.

Well I guess the upside is that Nvidia will (hopefully) be prepared for the yearly crypto craze.

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

Well I guess the upside is that Nvidia will (hopefully) be prepared for the yearly crypto craze.

I dont think we need to worry about the GPU supply anymore with the amount on the used market. 

 

I think we should be worried about the power supply. Like the world power supply

[asus killer]

they are too busy with other markets besides gaming, and let's face it there is zero competition from vega. Probably just shifted resources away from gaming when they saw vega.

[cluelessgenius]

honestly as someone who just upgraded to a 1080ti and if this is true then im quite happy to hold the crown for a little longer before i have to look for last gen drivers.

[WereCat]

This sucks if its true.

Also, RIP people that are waiting for new GPUs.

But hey, at least AMD has a chance to catch up now. I really hope they will because this is getting ridiculous.

[Kanox89]

This is totally something someone would say, who wants to get rid of their current stock before releasing a new product

[GOTSpectrum]

Damn, you have to give it to Jenson, he's got some large balls to make that move! Personally I own 4 Nvidia cards and a Vega card. Think I stick with Nvidia unless I can get a decent second hand 1080ti. Wonder how the fans feels about this? 

[Taf the Ghost]

Looks like the Q4 window, then.

 

GDDR6 prices probably are higher than makes sense for a "fast as possible" release.

[porina]

23 minutes ago, Kanox89 said:

This is totally something someone would say, who wants to get rid of their current stock before releasing a new product

Agreed.

 

Look at it another way, assume nvidia wanted to release something later this year. They're not going to tell you because people will stop buying what they sell now. A non answer will leave enough doubt that those undecided will buy now. It's not entirely a bad thing either, look at the 10 series launch. The equivalent performing Pascal parts were more expensive than their Maxwell equivalents, at least to start with.

[porina]

1 minute ago, Sampsy said:

That said, in this situation you would at least expect prices to fall, yet they are still above MSRP. That would smell very fishy to me if I worked for a competition regulator. 

Don't rule out the mining factor. AMD are even higher above MSRP than nvidia's.

[Quadriplegic]

Hardly a surprise:

 

[leadeater]

12 minutes ago, Sampsy said:

I'm not sure if this is anti-competitive or not. Nvidia clearly aren't releasing anything new because they are so far ahead of AMD their two year old cards still haven't been beaten by them.

It's called no competition. No company has to release new products, if there is no need then why do it. I could clean my car, I don't feel like doing it right now and no one can force me to, no one can force Nvidia to release a new architecture.

[ScratchCat]

1 hour ago, Wh0_Am_1 said:

and the Pascal generation of cards is already 2 years old

Until AMD can actually develop a GTX 1080 Ti competitor which does not require a small power plant to run. Polaris is out of the question as it has only been refreshed with marginally higher clocks while Vega has been pushed so far on the performance-power front that it cannot scale any further.

 

This break is actually useful:

1. AMD has more time to work on their cards so they actually can regain some market share. NVIDIA is working mainly on Deep Learning right now with Volta's Tensor Cores, a market AMD cannot take due to the lack of CUDA support. Therefore progression on the conventional GPU front for NVIDA will be less pronounced.
2. NVIDIA will not drop support for older generations if there isn't a new generation to take care of.
3. As there are no efficiency improvements in the NVIDIA lineup miners will select AMD GPUs in most cases, providing financing for R&D. (A new generation could have a higher hashrate/watt, currently AMD GPUs seem the most common choice)

[cj09beira]

part of the problem might be nvidea doesn't want to be the only ones on 12nm as amd will be jumping directly to 7nm, and even if their performance isn't faster than a 1080 ti it will probably be cheaper enough to be really competitive, now if they wait this long and then release something on 12nm then amd will have a good opportunity