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Github about to be Miscrosofted?

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There are rumours Github and MS are in talks for a takeover, and sadly it's not Github buying MS!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/02/microsoft_github/

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Microsoft has held talks with GitHub with a mind to potentially buy the popular source-code warehouse, folks closely familiar with the discussions have claimed...

 

...GitHub is said to carry at least a $5bn price tag after it was last valued at $2bn during its latest funding round in 2015. That may be a figure Microsoft isn't quite willing to cough up just yet.

 

It would be cheaper than 2 Minecrafts for them. ;) 

 

I'd not really want to see MS have that much control over a repository of any type. It's rather worrying, that it could spin it out to something else. For example, lots of open source games or video/audio products use Github. Would MS have more sway on affecting those communities through ramping up costs, removing support/features to the site? Though hopefully if they ever did, a new repo would open up in its place.

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Yeah, "in the spirit of things" that probably will happen. IIRC FOSS is already freely available and searchable on Github, so MS could currently just copy/paste if they wish. However, them controlling the site, would leave a bitter taste in the mouth, knowing that at any point, MS could change their mind in how they treat such repositories.

 

The strength of FOSS is not that it is just freely available. It's that the community can work together on it. Anything that threatens that, threatens it's ability. All the code in the world means nothing, even if visible, if your the only person who has to trawl through the millions of lines of code alone.

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Would be a sad day, I use Github quite a lot. I do run Gogs for my own, personal projects that I don't plan to share with other people, but I put on Github anything that I don't mind sharing.


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They already work together a fair bit so doesn't surprise me they are talking about merging etc.  I think people tend to forget MS are not just an OS company,  many people have been pointing to open source software as the way of the future. You gotta go where the future is if you want to stay relevant,  That's why they are starting to embrace Linux. 


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Well we certainly know Microsoft is "embracing" Linux, declaring as much as love for it in fact and selling it on Azure.

 

This certainly I see as Microsoft "extending" it's reach to Linux and FOSS

 

That only means that the next part it's probably coming.


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3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

You gotta go where the future is if you want to stay relevant,  That's why they are starting to embrace Linux. 

Its more likely that they realized that open source is a threat to them so they are gonna neutralize that threat. Just like project sunset in GITS....

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3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

They already work together a fair bit so doesn't surprise me they are talking about merging etc.  I think people tend to forget MS are not just an OS company,  many people have been pointing to open source software as the way of the future. You gotta go where the future is if you want to stay relevant,  That's why they are starting to embrace Linux. 

Microsoft has pretty much ruined almost everything they touched, I have no doubt that them buying github would have nefarious consequences for the platform in the long run. At first it will be preferential treatment for customers of their other services, then maybe logging in with your microsoft account and so on until the platform will only work with their own vc software and will be tied in with their other product licenses.


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7 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Well we certainly know Microsoft is "embracing" Linux, declaring as much as love for it in fact and selling it on Azure.

 

This certainly I see as Microsoft "extending" it's reach to Linux and FOSS

 

That only means that the next part it's probably coming.

Torvalds still has the last word on what happens to Linux, so for now I think we're safe. He won't be around forever though...


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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1 minute ago, jagdtigger said:

Its more likely that they realized that open source is a threat to them so they are gonna neutralize that threat. Just like project sunset in GITS....

If you think it is possible to extinguish open source you probably don't understand the size of it.   How exactly do you think MS are going to neutralise a movement that builds software on licenses you can't own?


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15 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

Well we certainly know Microsoft is "embracing" Linux, declaring as much as love for it in fact and selling it on Azure.

 

This certainly I see as Microsoft "extending" it's reach to Linux and FOSS

 

That only means that the next part it's probably coming.

monopoly 101. 

 

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Microsoft is being very careful about how they approach FOSS. I wouldn’t say it’s EEE, necessarily, but it is most certainly an incredibly calculated business strategy that they have a long-term plan to profit from.

 

It’s pretty important to remember that targeting Windows with 64-bit code still requires some extent of Visual Studio, at least in a practical sense. You can technically target Windows via cross-compilation, but you would need Windows for testing anyway and it’s not sensible in any business sense. If you want to avoid Microsoft completely you can only make 32-bit code for the time being (using something like the linker made by Digital Mars).

 

Either way, Microsoft is very self-aware of their ecosystem surrounding Windows, and I doubt these moves are anything but in-line with their strategy to ensure and expand this.


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4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Microsoft has pretty much ruined almost everything they touched, I have no doubt that them buying github would have nefarious consequences for the platform in the long run. At first it will be preferential treatment for customers of their other services, then maybe logging in with your microsoft account and so on until the platform will only work with their own vc software and will be tied in with their other product licenses.

If they start making it MS-centric, the open source community will simply move to a new service.  As far as I know git (Ruby) is all public license.  If github changes to the point people don't want to use it then people will simply make a new one and everyone migrates.   It's a little slower on the software side of things, but you can see how the migration works when you look t the inordinate amount of messenger services and social apps that have come and gone over the last 20 years.  ICQ, Yahoo, Vent, and now skype.  When one services takes a dive another steps up tot he plate.


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

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1 hour ago, TechyBen said:

There are rumours Github and MS are in talks for a takeover, and sadly it's not Github buying MS!

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/06/02/microsoft_github/

I'd be concerned if it didn't come from the Register, who are notoriously unreliable.


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16 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Torvalds still has the last word on what happens to Linux, so for now I think we're safe. He won't be around forever though...

And yet he hasn't adopted GLP v3 which is concerning.

 

All I'm saying here is that there's been enough time for the FOSS community to start creating an alternative kernel to Linux. Google did and they're now really making bank on it but it doesn't requires a big name company to do so for big capital interest, or rather, a group of them should see it's in their own best interest to invest on it collectively and not be locked down by a bigger fish because if it's not Microsoft it will be Google or another rich player like Amazon, Facebook, etc. Who can and will provide alternatives if (or rather, when) Torvalds is no longer around.


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2 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

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well I dont have time to watch this right now but I remember seeing someone said online that bill gates learned the lesson after those years that MS got targeted by the US justice system , then he became a philanthropist.  I think this comment/ explanation/ accusation is a bit of a stretch, but I couldnt help but thinking that there is some truth to it. If someone want to attack somebody, that somebody cannot be a living saint. 


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6 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If they start making it MS-centric, the open source community will simply move to a new service.  As far as I know git (Ruby) is all public license.  If github changes to the point people don't want to use it then people will simply make a new one and everyone migrates.   It's a little slower on the software side of things, but you can see how the migration works when you look t the inordinate amount of messenger services and social apps that have come and gone over the last 20 years.  ICQ, Yahoo, Vent, and now skype.  When one services takes a dive another steps up tot he plate.

Yes, but large companies may not have the flexibility to change platform and may end up being sucked in, until eventually MS' service becomes the standard. Stuff like Skype ought to be dead by now, but it still has a bunch of customers that would have a hard time switching.


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Just a list of my personal scores for some products, in no particular order, with brief comments. I just got the idea to do them so they aren't many for now :)

Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

Spoiler

From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If you think it is possible to extinguish open source you probably don't understand the size of it.   How exactly do you think MS are going to neutralise a movement that builds software on licenses you can't own?

Extend it with things that only you own but most consumers need them, and when its spread is wide enough  turn your coat and pull your stuff from everything except from your own distro... 9_9 They have enough software stuff and money to actually pull this off.

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3 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

I think this comment/ explanation/ accusation is a bit of a stretch, but I couldnt help but thinking that there is some truth to it. If someone want to attack somebody, that somebody cannot be a living saint. 

That's why I said it reminds me of Microsoft's past anti-trust litigation from both the US gov't and the EU.


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