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3 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Tensile strength=strength under tension (aka while being pulled/stretched). That is something that aluminium should be able to handle regardless of the quality. Problem is that tensile strength is next to useless for phones, because a phone is more likely to be in a position where it will be bent rather than stretched.

How is bending not stretching?

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2 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Funny how both these videos are 6S phones, find the same videos about the 6 and post them.

 

You can't do that and the reason you can't is because for the 6 Apple used 6000 grade aluminium, they only switched to 7000 after Bendgate happened with the 6S & 6S+.

 

All context of this thread has flawn right over your head. 

 

You should scroll through the other pages to figure out why I’m even talking about 7,000 Series aluminum. 

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Factually we can all agree that the iPhone line consists of over-polished turds. Literal overkill polish on a piece of feces.

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6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

How is bending not stretching?

I'll strike that out.

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Food for thought, the 6 used 6000 aluminium and the 6S used 7000. A case of Apple cheaping out with the (still expensive) first model and realising that it was kind of  a bad idea. From what I understand the main trade off apart from strength is 5x the cost and a higher risk of corrosion:
https://www.cultofmac.com/385768/new-iphone-6s-bend-test-reveals-super-strong-aluminum-shell/

 

Still, it doesn't help that Apple is going for devices that are as thin as possible-kind of offsets any improvement in the strength of a material.

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16 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Which has never been an issue since the 6 and the switch to stronger metal. 

 

The 7,000 Series is factually stronger

 That test compares the bare shells of the phones. 

Why does he say it's "likely" the plate though?

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11 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

All context of this thread has flawn right over your head. 

 

You should scroll through the other pages to figure out why I’m even talking about 7,000 Series aluminum. 

I'm sorry but what? I'm fully aware of the context.

 

It's very simple. Apple released the 6 & 6+ using 6000 grade aluminium, Bendgate happened so they switched the 6S & 6S+ to 7000 grade aluminium.

 

Your point about them using "aircraft grade aluminium" only applies to phones made after the affected phones.

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3 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Why does he say it's "likely" the plate though?

The video was made prior to the 6s being launched. The chassis was a leaked part. 

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2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The video was made prior to the 6s being launched. The chassis was a leaked part. 

The 6S is entirely irrelevant, it was the 6 that suffered from bending and touch disease.

 

Can't believe I'm having to explain this to the Mac expert :P

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Jack_of_all_Trades said:

 

I went and checked. This thread is about iPhone 6 bending, issues with the design of the phone known by Apple in advance and them dodging/denying the issue till the very end , just like how you are dodging it now and talking about the next model where they fixed the issues.

Lol, sure!

 

I was responding to @Drak3 who claimed he did believe Apple was using 7,000 Series Aluminium. 

 

6 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I'm sorry but what? I'm fully aware of the context.

 

You clearly aren’t. 

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1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

The 6S is entirely irrelevant, it was the 6 that suffered from bending and touch disease.

 

Can't believe I'm having to explain this to the Mac expert :P

 

 

 

If you read my posts and who I have quoted, you would see I never used the 6s as a defense for the 6 being bendable. I used the 6s to prove @Drak3 was wrong about saying he believes Apple does not use 7,000 Series aluminum when they factually do. 

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1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Lol, sure!

 

I was responding to @Drak3 who claimed he did believe Apple was using 7,000 Series Aluminium. 

 

You clearly aren’t. 

 

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

If you read my posts and who I have quoted, you would see I never used the 6s as a defense for the 6 being bendable. I used to to prove @Drak3 was wrong about saying he believes Apple does not use 7,000 Series aluminum when they factually do. 

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You posted videos of 6S bend tests in response to my post as proof that the chassis's of affected phones are not vulnerable to tensile pressure.

 

And I'm the one who doesn't understand the context of the discussion?

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8 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

You posted videos of 6S bend tests in response to my post as proof that the chassis's of affected phones are not vulnerable to tensile pressure.

All videos I have posted were intended to showcase the fact that the 6s and later iPhones used 7,000 Series aluminum, nothing more. 

 

Any interpretations that see my quotes and posts as intended to refute that fact that the iPhone 6 can bend are misguided. Either as a result of my own action or a miss reading, or even both. 

 

The iPhone 6 bends because it’s aluminum is too weak, the 6s does not bend because it uses a stronger alloy. That is the only interpretation of my statements so far that is correct. 

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3 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

All videos I have posted were intended to showcase the fact that the 6s and later iPhones used 7,000 Series aluminum, nothing more. 

 

Any interpretations that see my quotes and posts as intended to refute that fact that the iPhone 6 can bend are misguided. Either as a result of my own action or a miss reading, or even both. 

 

The iPhone 6 bends because it’s aluminum is too weak, the 6s does not bend because it uses a stronger alloy. That is the only interpretation of my statements so far that is correct. 

It's probably 50/50, I thought you meant those videos to refute my point but now you've explained it I see what your intent was.

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I believe the Zepplins where all aluminium too.  You can claim any aluminium product to have aircraft grade metals in it if you want.  Marketing is marketing and all companies will have you believe theirs is the best even when they absolutely know otherwise.

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25 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

I used the 6s to prove @Drak3 was wrong

Pray tell, how does a youtube video demonstrating a stronger chassis prove I was wrong? It's not an independant metalurgy report performed on a range of phones.

 

29 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

they factually do. 

I have a hard time believing that when my 2017 MBP's body has the same flex as my el cheapo aluminum ASC magazine. Being mil spec, it should be 6061.

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22 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Pray tell, how does a youtube video demonstrating a stronger chassis prove I was wrong?

The force required to bend the chassis is significantly greater in the same test scenario. The only explanation is that the chassis is stronger. Especially since only the shells of the phones were tested, not the entire device, leaving no room for questioning or doubt. 

 

22 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's not an independant metalurgy report performed on a range of phones.

https://www.macrumors.com/2015/08/19/iphone-6s-shell-aluminum-alloy/

 

If that’s not good enough for you then you are going to have to just believe what you want. There is far more evidence towards what everyone knows meanwhile there is no evidence to support your claims. 

 

22 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

have a hard time believing that when my 2017 MBP's body has the same flex as my el cheapo aluminum ASC magazine. Being mil spec, it should be 6061.

Are the MacBook Pros even 7,000 Series? And what flex? I own a 2016 MacBook Pro and there’s is almost 0 body flex.....

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5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

that’s not good enough

It's not. Link to "confirmation" was to a rumor that they reported on. Couldn't find a source to the metalurgy report.

 

5 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Are the MacBook Pros even 7,000 Series?

According to you, all Apple products post iP6 use 7000 series.

 

6 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

The force required to bend the chassis is significantly greater in the same test scenario

That literally only proves better material, not a specific material.

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15 hours ago, Enderman said:

samsung knows how many of their flagships will get damaged in shipping, etc.

and explode and go on fire

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11 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

It's not. Link to "confirmation" was to a rumor that they reported on. Couldn't find a source to the metalurgy report.

 

According to you, all Apple products post iP6 use 7000 series.

 

That literally only proves better material, not a specific material.

Whatever dude, believe what you want. Doesn't change anything about reality though. 

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59 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I believe the Zepplins where all aluminium too.  You can claim any aluminium product to have aircraft grade metals in it if you want.  Marketing is marketing and all companies will have you believe theirs is the best even when they absolutely know otherwise.

Aircraft grade aluminium: It's the same material they use for the food containers in airplanes!

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It doesn't matter if it's aeronautical grade or not. It's still aluminum and its basic properties still apply. 

 

7000 series is more resilient to permanently distorting under pressure, but it's still going to distort under pressure if you apply enough force, just that it will be harder to do so. 

 

I honestly don't care if the shell of my phone is somehow made from the same type of aluminum used on the fuselage of a Boeing 747. Oh yay, my aluminum ruler somehow shares its skin with a 747-400. Big effin' deal... 

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5 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Only at the thickness of the iP6's body, if Apple is to be believed that they're really using military and aircraft grade aluminum in their products.

 

Which I don't even remotely believe.

it likely is as some 6000, 7000 and 2000 blends are used in aerospace. i

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4 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

The thing with aircraft-a mix of fibreglass and aluminium is used for the skin, because straight aluminium regardless of the quality is rather weak and prone to damage.

aircraft have never been made out of pure aluminum they have always used an alloy.

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