is LTT anti-Linux?

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

i'm wondering whether LTT is anti-Linux.. 

for example when ubuntu 18.04 got released a few weeks ago, no mention of it on the WAN show...

 

and LTT could showcase Linux a lot more in my opinion. 

[ltguy]

I would say definitely not anti linux. Its just not the genre of his channel nor mainstream enough for his millions of viewers. If he had a use case that linux was best for, i'm sure he'd rock it.  Typing this on linux so no hate.

 

On  a side note, do you have any pics of your dual xeon build?

[Spotty]

2 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

for example when ubuntu 18.04 got released a few weeks ago, no mention of it on the WAN show...

Most of the topics covered on the WAN show are stuff that are posted on the community forum Tech News and Reviews board. If there was no post about it on the forum then there's a pretty good chance they won't discuss it.

Is there anything significantly different in 18.04 that is notable or worthy of discussion?

There's also a lot of different Linux based operating systems, that all frequently have updates. It wouldn't be practical for the WAN show to report on it every time a Linux OS releases an update version. I'm sure there are youtubers who specialise in Linux videos who will have more of an interest, focus, and expertise on such topics. I'm sure they would have covered the release of a new version to ubuntu, along with perhaps some guides on it and other information for channels that specialise in ubuntu specifically.

Major Windows or Apple updates tend to be more news worthy simply because there are significantly more people using those systems who will be affected by the changes, and typically there is some controversial change that people are either going to be happy about or hate (ie. 'Apple update bricks phones with replaced screens') that makes it more worthy of discussion.

[Bigbootyjudy]

He used Linux in his recent hot-swapping PCIe video so I don't think he is. I think that they don't really talk about it because they mainly use windows to test things and also usually it's not that relevant since Linux is always updating

[Mira Yurizaki]

16 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm wondering whether LTT is anti-Linux.. 

for example when ubuntu 18.04 got released a few weeks ago, no mention of it on the WAN show...

 

and LTT could showcase Linux a lot more in my opinion. 

What makes Ubuntu 18.04 any more newsworthy than Fedora 28 being released a few weeks ago? I use Fedora based Linux distros at work. That's more newsworthy to me than a new version of Ubuntu being released.

 

I also fail to see how not mentioning something means you're anti-that-thing.

[ltguy]

6 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

What makes Ubuntu 18.04 any more newsworthy than Fedora 28 being released a few weeks ago? I use Fedora based Linux distros at work. That's more newsworthy to me than a new version of Ubuntu being released.

 

I also fail to see how not mentioning something means you're anti-that-thing.

Your post didnt mention the children... You're clearly anti "the children".

[Mira Yurizaki]

8 minutes ago, ltguy said:

Your post didnt mention the children... You're clearly anti "the children".

Well crap. You're right. Kids are the evil.

[Mooshi]

Ubuntu is about as exciting as a mayo sandwich on white bread.

[ltguy]

Its not that he hates linux, its that he's rightly protesting gnome3. Shots fired.

[BlueChinchillaEatingDorito]

There really is nothing interesting about the new Ubuntu 18.04 or any other Linux releases. These updates only affect a small minority of people around the world (as big as they try to make themselves look) so not a wide enough audience to warrant an actual mention. 

[Uzume]

WAN show also failed to praise the Emperor of Mankind. Heresy confirmed.

[Shimejii]

49 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm wondering whether LTT is anti-Linux.. 

for example when ubuntu 18.04 got released a few weeks ago, no mention of it on the WAN show...

 

and LTT could showcase Linux a lot more in my opinion. 

Its boring and 99% of viewers will never use ubuntu or linux. You have to keep in mind that his audience now wont really care, Linux is fun to mess around with and set up certain servers or client machines, but for most users? Linux has always failed in that regard, it takes a lot more effort to get stuff to work on linux like games and other tools, that most people just dont want to do. 

 

Is linux amazing with the things you can do?  of course! but is it justifiable doing more videos on it? Not really.

[captain_to_fire]

LMG uses Adobe CC but unfortunately it's not available for Linux so I don't think Linus would even pay that much attention. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

55 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

for example when ubuntu 18.04 got released a few weeks ago, no mention of it on the WAN show...

I would imagine it's not big enough to be make the WAN Show. Just like another update of Windows or OSX. Not much to it.

 

56 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

and LTT could showcase Linux a lot more in my opinion. 

They don't always have a use case for Linux, so they can't really effectively showcase it.

[Syntaxvgm]

go to level1techs if you want linux news, even then you wont get much. 

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

56 minutes ago, ltguy said:

I would say definitely not anti linux. Its just not the genre of his channel nor mainstream enough for his millions of viewers. If he had a use case that linux was best for, i'm sure he'd rock it.  Typing this on linux so no hate.

yeah ok, but some things he does i'm like well that makes no sense to use Windows for. like scrapyard wars. oh yeah i'm gonna get a $300 pc. oh i need to buy a Windows license.. that hurts the value so much. 

 

53 minutes ago, ltguy said:

On  a side note, do you have any pics of your dual xeon build?

i could, it's ugly so...

 

50 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Most of the topics covered on the WAN show are stuff that are posted on the community forum Tech News and Reviews board. If there was no post about it on the forum then there's a pretty good chance they won't discuss it.

oh ok, that makes sense. 

 

50 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Is there anything significantly different in 18.04 that is notable or worthy of discussion?

not directly, but it's an LTS release. that means that all the major ubuntu based distro's will be based on it soon. 

 

50 minutes ago, Spotty said:

There's also a lot of different Linux based operating systems, that all frequently have updates. It wouldn't be practical for the WAN show to report on it every time a Linux OS releases an update version. I'm sure there are youtubers who specialise in Linux videos who will have more of an interest, focus, and expertise on such topics. I'm sure they would have covered the release of a new version to ubuntu, along with perhaps some guides on it and other information for channels that specialise in ubuntu specifically.

this is true, but Ubuntu is the "biggest", and as i said before every major Ubuntu based distro is based on the LTS release. so if a new one comes out it's a big deal. 

 

50 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Major Windows or Apple updates tend to be more news worthy simply because there are significantly more people using those systems who will be affected by the changes, and typically there is some controversial change that people are either going to be happy about or hate (ie. 'Apple update bricks phones with replaced screens') that makes it more worthy of discussion.

no, a title like apple bricks phones is good for clickbait. i agree that people won't notice much of it, but a topic about apple... i assume more people in this community use Android phones.. so if you are talking about the target audience.. 

 

50 minutes ago, Bigbootyjudy said:

He used Linux in his recent hot-swapping PCIe video so I don't think he is. I think that they don't really talk about it because they mainly use windows to test things and also usually it's not that relevant since Linux is always updating

i'm talking about big releases of say Ubuntu or Mint. the big Windows 10 updates get attention so.. 

 

46 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

What makes Ubuntu 18.04 any more newsworthy than Fedora 28 being released a few weeks ago? I use Fedora based Linux distros at work. That's more newsworthy to me than a new version of Ubuntu being released.

you're right, but the majority of desktop Linux is on Ubuntu or Ubuntu based distro's. 

 

46 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I also fail to see how not mentioning something means you're anti-that-thing.

i'm not just talking about WAN. how many Linux video's has LTT done?

 

25 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

Ubuntu is about as exciting as a mayo sandwich on white bread.

harsh but fair. i'm more interested in the distro's that are based on it. 

 

21 minutes ago, ltguy said:

Its not that he hates linux, its that he's rightly protesting gnome3. Shots fired.

i like gnome 3, but it is so heavy to run.. even on a 3th gen i5 i have regular stutters... 

 

18 minutes ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

There really is nothing interesting about the new Ubuntu 18.04 or any other Linux releases. These updates only affect a small minority of people around the world (as big as they try to make themselves look) so not a wide enough audience to warrant an actual mention. 

yes, i agree Ubuntu is boring. but like i said before, this community (in general) isn't heavily into Apple products. but Apple gets loads of attention on LTT. 

 

11 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Its boring and 99% of viewers will never use ubuntu or linux. You have to keep in mind that his audience now wont really care, Linux is fun to mess around with and set up certain servers or client machines, but for most users? Linux has always failed in that regard, it takes a lot more effort to get stuff to work on linux like games and other tools, that most people just dont want to do. 

boring is subjective. and LTT has made plenty of video's about stuff that isn't relevant to most of the audience...

 

7 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

LMG uses Adobe CC but unfortunately it's not available for Linux so I don't think Linus would even pay that much attention. 

fair, but i don't think this alone would make him ignore Linux. 

 

6 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

I would imagine it's not big enough to be make the WAN Show. Just like another update of Windows or OSX. Not much to it.

true, but big WIndows updates get discussed  a bit.. 

 

6 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

They don't always have a use case for Linux, so they can't really effectively showcase it.

 

i think they do. i always find it interesting that with for example scrapyard wars they use Windows. why? if you are on a tight budget that makes no sense. 

 

3 minutes ago, Syntaxvgm said:

go to level1techs if you want linux news, even then you wont get much. 

i watch level1techs... 

[Crunchy Dragon]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

big WIndows updates get discussed  a bit..

Big Windows updates such as the Creator's Updates have a tendency to break PCs, so it makes sense that they get talked about a lot.

[Shimejii]

3 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Big Windows updates such as the Creator's Updates have a tendency to break PCs, so it makes sense that they get talked about a lot.

And guess what? Most of the userbase uses Windows, so it makes sense to cover it if there are major changes, patches, issues, and performance impacts. So it makes sense to cover it  Linux isnt used by most people, so unless something groundbreaking occurs with an update, it wont get covered by linux, Wendell at levelonetechs would

[JoostinOnline]

People like you are ridiculous. Always looking for the next conspiracy or prejudice. Not talking about an incredibly boring topic doesn't mean they're against it. Almost nobody uses Linux on a PC (less than 2%), and even less use Ubuntu. They've got a finite amount of time. Every week they have too many topics on the list to discuss. Something that nobody cares about isn't going to be brought up.

 

LMG is an entertainment company. Even if all they uses was Ubuntu, I seriously doubt they'd talk about distro updates.

[Mira Yurizaki]

13 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i'm not just talking about WAN. how many Linux video's has LTT done?

The point still stands and the logic you're using fails miserably once you start using it for other things. For example, Linus hasn't talked about the PS Vita, clearly he must be anti PS Vita. He hasn't talked about PowerVR graphics, so clearly he must hate them. He doesn't talk about Cities Skylines, so he has to have a beef with that game.

 

I mean I could even throw a ridiculous one: he doesn't talk about Trump, clearly he's anti-Trump!

[D13H4RD]

No. Far from it. 

 

Just that Linux is mostly used by enthusiasts, whose user base is probably too small for LMG to cater to exclusively. 

 

Furthermore, Linux has a large number of distros. A major update to the Linux kernel is much more newsworthy than an update to one of many distros. 

[captain_to_fire]

17 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

fair, but i don't think this alone would make him ignore Linux. 

Do you want Linus to notice Linux just for the sake of noticing Linux? Because they do. Just look at a few of their Synergy and TQ videos but again, they have to follow where the money is and them discussing Linux simply wouldn't drive traffic among his audience and they simply follow the market share so I don't understand as if you're insinuating that Linus and his team are into some sort of conspiracy to ignore and bury Linux all together.

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

11 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

People like you are ridiculous.

thanks!

 

11 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

Almost nobody uses Linux on a PC (less than 2%), and even less use Ubuntu. They've got a finite amount of time. Every week they have too many topics on the list to discuss. Something that nobody cares about isn't going to be brought up..

i think it should be talked about! i think awareness of Linux needs to rise. there are so many instances where LTT complains about Windows, but they don't promote a free open source alternative?

 

and i'm not saying that all you should use is Linux. my main pc is on Windows because i use that for gaming.

 

 

7 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

The point still stands and the logic you're using fails miserably once you start using it for other things. For example, Linus hasn't talked about the PS Vita, clearly he must be anti PS Vita. He hasn't talked about PowerVR graphics, so clearly he must hate them. He doesn't talk about Cities Skylines, so he has to have a beef with that game.

i'm not saying just because it isn't mentioned often they are against it, but sometimes it makes sense to use Linux. a $300 pc in scrapyard wars? add $199.99 to that for Windows 10 home. 

 

to me it's common sense in that case to use Linux for such a video. because they never do so i'm wondering if they don't like it... 

 

 

2 minutes ago, D13H4RD2L1V3 said:

Just that Linux is mostly used by enthusiasts, whose user base is probably too small for LMG to cater to exclusively.  

i'm not asking them to cater exclusively to Linux enthousiasts. just that they use some common sense sometimes. 

like with the example i gave above. to me it makes more sense for a scrapyard wars system to run Linux, and tdo the benchmarks and stuff on that so the viewers know what to expect from it. 

 

1 minute ago, captain_to_fire said:

Do you want Linus to notice Linux just for the sake of noticing Linux? Because they do. Just look at a few of their Synergy and TQ videos but again, they have to follow where the money is and them discussing Linux simply wouldn't drive traffic among his audience and they simply follow the market share so I don't understand as if you're insinuating that Linus and his team are into some sort of conspiracy to ignore and bury Linux all together.

i don't want discussing specifically. 

and the second photo backs up one of my earlier points that Apple iPhones get a lot of attention on LTT, but Android is way more used. 

[captain_to_fire]

2 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i don't want discussing specifically. 

and the second photo backs up one of my earlier points that Apple iPhones get a lot of attention on LTT, but Android is way more used. 

Because iOS' market share is still significant and LMG alone has a significant iOS users. Linux on the other hand is basically a line near zero in the line graph. 

[Mira Yurizaki]

2 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

I'm not saying just because it isn't mentioned often they are against it, but sometimes it makes sense to use Linux. a $300 pc in scrapyard wars? add $199.99 to that for Windows 10 home.

And sometimes it makes more sense to use Windows.

 

You also can't automatically assume the cost of Windows for something like this. Normally I would, but considering the whole point of Scrapyard Wars is to find used or cheap as possible stuff, then I can't add the requirement that the Windows license must be new. So I don't care if they use a retail key they already bought (which is transferable), a $20 Kinguin special, or just use Windows 10 without a key.