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Valve pulling a lot of Visual Novels for "Pornographic content" other games might also be removed

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9 hours ago, BlueChinchillaEatingDorito said:

Some teenagers don't even need porn sites for nude content. They just ask their friends for pictures. This is the sort of world we live in. 

Unfortunately, this is true.

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I'm really wondering what they are actually going to do.

They won't be able to draw a clear line and if they do decide to draw one, it will piss people off.

 

There's already a demand for games and VN's that are a bit more risky than steam allows, some devs are already pushing the limit. The only thing that will happen if they do decide to draw a line is increase the potential for another platform to step in and fill that demand.


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Valve is starting to piss me off royaly. Everytime I try to watch a game on their store, I need to go through an age verification. Why isn't age baked into your profile, so the store can auto verify? It's so stupid.

 

My point? Well with age verification baked into the profile, you could add a setting for NSFW content. Like accept nude games/sex or not. It's idiotic to outright wipe out sexual content on the entire platform. Does this mean Metro Last Light will be banned as well? Or hell, The WItcher 3 is much worse in terms of nudity. 

 

And what are people on about? A private company cannot censor others? So newspapers cannot censor news? Of course they can. 


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I'm going to guess these "visual novels" go through ESRB certification? If they are rated AO then I don't see an issue as most retailers won't sell AO games. But if they are rated M then it's an issue. As they should treat all games with in a rating class the same. 

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16 minutes ago, Notional said:

Valve is starting to piss me off royaly. Everytime I try to watch a game on their store, I need to go through an age verification. Why isn't age baked into your profile, so the store can auto verify? It's so stupid.

 

My point? Well with age verification baked into the profile, you could add a setting for NSFW content. Like accept nude games/sex or not. It's idiotic to outright wipe out sexual content on the entire platform. Does this mean Metro Last Light will be banned as well? Or hell, The WItcher 3 is much worse in terms of nudity. 

yeah I'm with you on the frontend side of things ._. I still have this "distribution company full of game devs who refuse to do human interface support" stereotype with them

 

that being said my interest of game genres rarely encounter that issue, but it still exists when i click a few certain recommendations

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17 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

yeah I'm with you on the frontend side of things ._. I still have this "distribution company full of game devs who refuse to do human interface support" stereotype with them

 

that being said my interest of game genres rarely encounter that issue, but it still exists when i click a few certain recommendations

Indeed. But age verification isn't just present on NFSW games, but also action games like Borderlands and Dishonored where there is no nudity.


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44 minutes ago, Notional said:

Valve is starting to piss me off royaly. Everytime I try to watch a game on their store, I need to go through an age verification. Why isn't age baked into your profile, so the store can auto verify? It's so stupid.

 

My point? Well with age verification baked into the profile, you could add a setting for NSFW content. Like accept nude games/sex or not. It's idiotic to outright wipe out sexual content on the entire platform. Does this mean Metro Last Light will be banned as well? Or hell, The WItcher 3 is much worse in terms of nudity. 

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3 minutes ago, Humbug said:

This is true, I don't know why steam can't remember my birthday.

It used to remember the last date you put in, but I agree that this would be a good thing to put in as an auto-bypass. 

 

Another thing to note is that some of the games that may be affected already have a disclaimer saying that the content may be ill-suited for audiences. 

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How to lose a Customer real quick? This. 

 

Do you you want me to directly support the developers? Because this is how you get people to directly support the developers.

 

Guess Valve hates money if they want to cave to this religious group. I wonder how many games their group buys at all compared to the group that buys these games? What do they have over Valve? What would they be able to do if Valve legit just said:

“No.”

They have 0 leverage since everything is behind an age wall and if you let your kids get past that, it’s on you parents! Not Valve!

 

Thankfully most of my favorite games offer their own clients.....


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1 hour ago, Donut417 said:

I'm going to guess these "visual novels" go through ESRB certification? If they are rated AO then I don't see an issue as most retailers won't sell AO games. But if they are rated M then it's an issue. As they should treat all games with in a rating class the same. 

Nah most of them aren't ESRB rated. In fact most games on steam aren't ESRB rated. You only need a rating to sell physical content in brick and mortar store's, and getting rated is prohibitively expensive and difficult for small indie developers.

 

Hell even a lot of nindie content on the Wii, 3DS, Wii-U and switch aren't ESRB rated, they just go through a review with Nintendo before being published.

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Some updates from a couple of the Developers of these games:

 

 

Seems Valve may be reversing at least some of their decisions - hopefully they will realize they were being complete idiots and not ban games (that have actual, working executable files and aren't malware) because a few prudes got their granny panties in a bunch.

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What a time to be alive.

-Gaben contradicting himself

 

-A contradictory argument that only Visual Novels are like this yet keeping games like the Witcher 3 and DNF up

 

And, of course, this is another witch hunt by "hipsters with degrees" -Christina Hoff Sommers instead of real feminists.  It wouldn't shock me if Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian had any involvement.


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21 minutes ago, TimeOmnivore said:

because a few prudes got their granny panties in a bunch.

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23 minutes ago, TimeOmnivore said:

because a few prudes got their granny panties in a bunch.

I'm gonna be the bigger man here and ...

 

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I'm gonna be the bigger man here and ...

 

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I love how people are complaining that Valve shouldn't be allowed to curate what's on their platform, yet they never think through the consequences of what they're asking.  I've seen it argued in this thread that since there are people who will buy it, then it should be permitted.

 

What about rape games?  There's a market for them, should they be permitted?  What about games with pedo content?  There's a market for them, should they be permitted?

 

When your standards are lax, then it's the same as having no standards.  If Valve wants to adopt a standard that says these games aren't permitted, then so what?  It's not like they're blocking the ability for people to buy the games at all, just from buying them through Steam.  They (sadly) survived long before Steam permitted them onto the platform, I'm sure they'll find a way to survive if they get booted off.

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What I find hilarious is that games with mildly ~CENSORED~ stuff are considered inappropriate while games that openly show it alongside other heavily suggestive themes are like an open tollbooth.

 

The hypocrisy is laughable 

 

If you want to control content, fine, but do it in a way that does not punish those who actually want to play it (yes, some of us are weird dudes). 


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1 minute ago, Jito463 said:

When your standards are lax, then it's the same as having no standards.  If Valve wants to adopt a standard that says these games aren't permitted, then so what?  It's not like they're blocking the ability for people to buy the games at all, just from buying them through Steam.  They (sadly) survived long before Steam permitted them onto the platform, I'm sure they'll find a way to survive if they get booted off.

They don't really allow those kinds of games and, when they fall through the cracks, those games can be reported for review. You're also producing a fallacy by saying rape games are the same as HuniePop and others which are between two or more fictional, consenting adults. 


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1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

They don't really allow those kinds of games and, when they fall through the cracks, those games can be reported for review.

It was an example, as to why Valve should be allowed to curate the store as they see fit.

1 minute ago, ARikozuM said:

You're also producing a fallacy by saying rape games are the same as HuniePop

And you're arguing a fallacy, because it was already addressed previously that the aforementioned game isn't included in the ban.  Also, I never said they were the same thing.  Do you not understand the practice of using examples to emphasize a point?

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If Valve doesn’t want minors to get their hands on games that are considered suggestive, then they would need to do it in a better way.

 

I know it’s not easy, especially when you need proper verification, but banning them outright isn’t the way to do it because it creates a win-lose-lose situation. The ones who want it banned win while the developers lose out on a large potential userbase and said userbase have one less place to get it from. Granted, that userbase and the devs would probably find another place to give them their business but I digress.

 

Steam isn’t a lovey-dovey playground for kids. It’s the single largest digital distribution platform when it comes to PC gaming and it has a large content offering of all types. Obviously, there’s some regulation but we can safely say that it’s pretty lax especially when a kid can put a random old birthdate to gain access to the GTA V storefront and buy it 

 

I also have to state that while a game like HuniePop gets warned, games with more obvious suggestive themes like GTA are seemingly left alone.

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17 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

When your standards are lax, then it's the same as having no standards.  If Valve wants to adopt a standard that says these games aren't permitted, then so what?  It's not like they're blocking the ability for people to buy the games at all, just from buying them through Steam.  They (sadly) survived long before Steam permitted them onto the platform, I'm sure they'll find a way to survive if they get booted off.

If Valve wanted to just get rid of all games on their platform that had any sort of suggestive content, that in and of itself would be fine - incredibly stupid and shortsighted, but fine. It's the double standard of saying games like The Witcher are fine, but then trying to ban suggestive games with an anime art style whilst only citing "pornographic content" as the reason is the main problem here. Curating their store with strict guidelines isn't a problem, but when you do that completely subjectively and seemingly randomly, you get to the point where developers don't have any idea what is and isn't allowed on the storefront - that's the problem.

 

Don't get me wrong, people would definitely be up in arms if Steam did implement such a drastic change in policy, but Steam would have a much stronger argument if they enforced those changes across the board, without picking and choosing what got to stay and what didn't.

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29 minutes ago, Jito463 said:

I love how people are complaining that Valve shouldn't be allowed to curate what's on their platform, yet they never think through the consequences of what they're asking.  I've seen it argued in this thread that since there are people who will buy it, then it should be permitted.

 

What about rape games?  There's a market for them, should they be permitted?  What about games with pedo content?  There's a market for them, should they be permitted?

 

When your standards are lax, then it's the same as having no standards.  If Valve wants to adopt a standard that says these games aren't permitted, then so what?  It's not like they're blocking the ability for people to buy the games at all, just from buying them through Steam.  They (sadly) survived long before Steam permitted them onto the platform, I'm sure they'll find a way to survive if they get booted off.

So anime boobs are evil but not nuking a town, or going to town shooting up the populace? Postal and hatred are fine with their sole purpose being to murder, but if the sole purpose is bobs and vegana it shouldn't be allowed?

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