low fps problem is it worth upgrade

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, danny barzilay said:

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H87? Ok.

Then

1 minute ago, JDE said:

Get the i7 4770/4790 or Xeon E3-1231 v3.

 

[danny barzilay]

@Jurrunio what would be better Xeon E3 v3 or 4770k? and if the Xeon E3 v3 would it fit my motherboard

[Jurrunio]

Just now, danny barzilay said:

@Jurrunio what would be better Xeon E3 v3 or 4770k? and if the Xeon E3 v3 would it fit my motherboard

There are many Xeon E3 v3s (say, E3 1230 v3, E3 1245 v3, etc) so it depends on what exact E3 are you talking about. Also, their price.

 

All will fit in your mobo.

[danny barzilay]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

There are many Xeon E3 v3s (say, E3 1230 v3, E3 1245 v3, etc) so it depends on what exact E3 are you talking about. Also, their price.

 

All will fit in your mobo.

@Jurrunio is there a Xeon E3 v3 that is around 200-300$ that is better then the i7-4770k?

[Jurrunio]

Just now, danny barzilay said:

@Jurrunio is there a Xeon E3 v3 that is around 200-300$ that is better then the i7-4770k?

Full name of the Xeon?

 

How much does 4770k cost?

 

Any 4770 or 4790?

[danny barzilay]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Full name of the Xeon?

 

How much does 4770k cost?

 

Any 4770 or 4790?

@Jurrunio i have no idea whats the full name of the xeon. just wanted to know if there is one that is around 200-300$ that is better then the 4770 and is there a big diffrence between the 4770 or the 4790? here is the price of the 4770k https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=used+i7+4770k&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xi7+4770k.TRS0&_nkw=i7+4770k&_sacat=0

anyway i will go to sleep ill be more then happy to talk to you tommorw its 2:30 right now.

[KarathKasun]

4 minutes ago, danny barzilay said:

@Jurrunio i have no idea whats the full name of the xeon. just wanted to know if there is one that is around 200-300$ that is better then the 4770 and is there a big diffrence between the 4770 or the 4790? here is the price of the 4770k https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=used+i7+4770k&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xi7+4770k.TRS0&_nkw=i7+4770k&_sacat=0

Use this page to see what models are what...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)

 

Compare all chips with LGA 1150 socket.  Whichever one has the highest clockspeed with 4 cores and 8 threads is what you want.  Prices are not accurate, as they list launch prices.

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, danny barzilay said:

@Jurrunio i have no idea whats the full name of the xeon. just wanted to know if there is one that is around 200-300$ that is better then the 4770 and is there a big diffrence between the 4770 or the 4790? here is the price of the 4770k https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=used+i7+4770k&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xi7+4770k.TRS0&_nkw=i7+4770k&_sacat=0

4790 has only 100MHz higher clock speed than the 4770. In other words it doesnt matter. They are equal.

 

Now that I looked, i7-4770 and 4790 cost a bit less than Xeon E3 v3, which makes the non-K i7s the best choice.

[dragonhart6505]

Y'all are confusing the poor guy who appears to be hardware illiterate  (no offense)

The motherboard you have does not support overclocking. The difference between a 4770/4790 and a 4770k/4790k is that the -k indicates it is overclockable, giving you higher frequencies on the CPU by setting it up in the bios. You dont seem to have the knowledge of this kind of thing to confidently use an overclockable CPU  just yet, so i wouldnt worry about the -k variant of the chips.

The 4790 would be your best solution for your motherboard. The Xeon would also allow overclocking but while they are common in a lot of gamer builds for cheap performance, they are more centered towards workload intensive applications like you would find in a server. They do perform very well and are usually cheap, but they are not necessary or always reliable for gaming without some configuration.

If you want better performance out of the box, get a 4790. If you want to do some research and ask more questions about overclocking for slightly more performance, do so. Be aware that for you to be able to do any advanced configuration you will need to also buy a new motherboard, in which the model of the motherboard will start with Z97.

 

Get the 4790 non-k cpu, put it in the motherboard with some decent thermal paste, set the heatsink back on the CPU and enjoy. Will you get 120+fps? Maybe, maybe not. Without a high refresh rate monitor you wouldn't get the benefit of the extra fps anway in terms of clarity and screen tearing, so you'd be looking at a new monitor as well if you want to push frame rates that far.

[KarathKasun]

4 minutes ago, dragonhart6505 said:

The Xeon would also allow overclocking

No, all mainstream socket Xeons are locked down.  The overclocking you can do with them is the same as the non-k CPUs.

[dragonhart6505]

8 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

No, all mainstream socket Xeons are locked down.  The overclocking you can do with them is the same as the non-k CPUs.

Ah, ok. So they turbo boost then. The single-core performance on this series chips any good or better than the i5 4460 (I have this chip...not the S variant) or the 4770/4790?

For OP: the single-core performance is one of the biggest factors in determining how well the CPU will handle tasks that tax it, as most modern applications/games (and especially older ones) only use so many cores during the operating process of the application. Alot of times you will find that games will use at most 2 cores, pinging the extra cores sporadically for very little time if at all. Games are starting to utilize more cores, but it's slow developing there. With high scores in single-core performance benchmarks (a stress test that will use one core and give it a score...higher is better) you can usually get an idea that there will be better overall performance from the entire chip. Be aware this isn't ALWAYS the case, so researching overall benchmark scores for the CPUs of interest to you would help. Higher numbers = better performance (unless otherwise stated by the benchmark observer)

[KarathKasun]

10 minutes ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Ah, ok. So they turbo boost then. The single-core performance on this series chips any good or better than the i5 4460 (I have this chip...not the S variant) or the 4770/4790?

For OP: the single-core performance is one of the biggest factors in determining how well the CPU will handle tasks that tax it, as most modern applications/games (and especially older ones) only use so many cores during the operating process of the application. Alot of times you will find that games will use at most 2 cores, pinging the extra cores sporadically for very little time if at all. Games are starting to utilize more cores, but it's slow developing there. With high scores in single-core performance benchmarks (a stress test that will use one core and give it a score...higher is better) you can usually get an idea that there will be better overall performance from the entire chip. Be aware this isn't ALWAYS the case, so researching overall benchmark scores for the CPUs of interest to you would help. Higher numbers = better performance (unless otherwise stated by the benchmark observer)

Ive an E3-1280, pretty much top of the line SB Xeon with a 5mhz BCLK OC, and it scores ~140 in Cinebench R15 single thread.

[dragonhart6505]

1 minute ago, KarathKasun said:

Ive an E3-1280, pretty much top of the line SB Xeon with a 5mhz BCLK OC and it scores ~140 in Cinebench R15 single thread.

Wouldn't help OP without an OC supporting mobo. 4790 still better option for their board. Obviously we'd all recommend an updated board, but understandably they get expensive. Also, as I noted from reading the thread, OP doesnt seem to have enough knowledge or insight of how all this would affect their performance . They just want it to work

 

Still stand by the 4790, however I like my i5 4460 + RX460 4GB system. Well balanced for the titles I play at 1080p, though I'm sure something like an RX570/GTX1060 would compliment the system with better frame rates. I'm perfectly happy with 1080p60+/medium, with headroom for some higher textures if I really feel like it. Much better than the Phenom II 955 rig I was using anyway lol

[KarathKasun]

1 minute ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Wouldn't help OP without an OC supporting mobo. 4790 still better option for their board. Obviously we'd all recommend an updated board, but understandably they get expensive. Also, as I noted from reading the thread, OP doesnt seem to have enough knowledge or insight of how all this would affect their performance . They just want it to work

 

Still stand by the 4790, however I like my i5 4460 + RX460 4GB system. Well balanced for the titles I play at 1080p, though I'm sure something like an RX570/GTX1060 would compliment the system with better frame rates. I'm perfectly happy with 1080p60+/medium, with headroom for some higher textures if I really feel like it. Much better than the Phenom II 955 rig I was using anyway lol

 

 

Actually, most boards can do BCLK overclocking.  My E3-1280 is in a super cheap H61 board and it supports changing BCLK.

[dragonhart6505]

6 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

 

 

Actually, most boards can do BCLK overclocking.  My E3-1280 is in a super cheap H61 board and it supports changing BCLK.

Are you cooling it with an AIO, on air or liquid cooled?

Still, the BCLK OC may still be beyond OPs comprehension at this point. Not saying they couldn't learn...anybody can learn...but understanding it and configuring it and why and how are where the details could get overwhelming until you do the research, test, fail, again, fail again, rinse repeat. Not sure how much time OP is willing to invest into that 

[KarathKasun]

7 minutes ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Are you cooling it with an AIO, on air or liquid cooled?

Still, the BCLK OC may still be beyond OPs comprehension at this point. Not saying they couldn't learn...anybody can learn...but understanding it and configuring it and why and how are where the details could get overwhelming until you do the research, test, fail, again, fail again, rinse repeat. Not sure how much time OP is willing to invest into that 

It was the easiest OC Ive ever done TBH.  Just tpye 105 in the FSB/BCLK field of BIOS and thats it.

The CPU is now 3.675ghz base with max boost of 4.095ghz.  Average boost is around 3.85ghz.

Memory went from 1333 (highest memory speed without a Z67/Z77 board) to 1400.  Timings did not need to be changed, even on my e-bay special memory.

 

Cooling it with this...

https://www.arctic.ac/us_en/alpine-11-plus.html

 

The entire build was centered around being as cheap as possible.  The heatsink was like $10.

[dragonhart6505]

9 minutes ago, KarathKasun said:

It was the easiest OC Ive ever done TBH.  Just tpye 105 in the FSB/BCLK field of BIOS and thats it.

The CPU is now 3.675ghz base with max boost of 4.095ghz.  Average boost is around 3.8ghz.

 

Cooling it with this...

https://www.arctic.ac/us_en/alpine-11-plus.html

 

The entire build was centered around being as cheap as possible.  The heatsink was like $10.

Ha, I read your original OC setting as 5ghz. I was like "That's impressive."

I'm not entirely familiar with Xeons, just the larger details of what *some* chips are capable of. My 4460 is my first mainstream Intel CPU since the old Pentium4 days, and I got the z97 board, chip and 16GB HyperX Fury ram free for building a new system for a friend. He supposed it was dead, but an hour of diagnosing and cleaning brought it from the grave.

I've kept up to date over the past 20yrs working on PCs (started when I was 9) doing as much research as possible. Sometimes the small details evade me yet lol

[gbergeron]

4 hours ago, danny barzilay said:

i upgraded from a gtx 1050 ti to a gtx 1070. with a i5 4460s everytime i fight players in the divsion i get around 50-60 fps on all settings low also 1150 resolution and i have been told i should buy the i7-4770k would it make me get around 120-130 fps?

Download msi afterburner, watch youtube tutorial on how to monitor cpu usage and gpu usage, verify if cpu usage goes at 100% while gpu using is not maxed, then realise there is a bottleneck (probably, a gtx 1070 needs an i7 4th gen+ even skylake+ to run at its full power

 

Cheers

[danny barzilay]

8 hours ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Y'all are confusing the poor guy who appears to be hardware illiterate  (no offense)

The motherboard you have does not support overclocking. The difference between a 4770/4790 and a 4770k/4790k is that the -k indicates it is overclockable, giving you higher frequencies on the CPU by setting it up in the bios. You dont seem to have the knowledge of this kind of thing to confidently use an overclockable CPU  just yet, so i wouldnt worry about the -k variant of the chips.

The 4790 would be your best solution for your motherboard. The Xeon would also allow overclocking but while they are common in a lot of gamer builds for cheap performance, they are more centered towards workload intensive applications like you would find in a server. They do perform very well and are usually cheap, but they are not necessary or always reliable for gaming without some configuration.

If you want better performance out of the box, get a 4790. If you want to do some research and ask more questions about overclocking for slightly more performance, do so. Be aware that for you to be able to do any advanced configuration you will need to also buy a new motherboard, in which the model of the motherboard will start with Z97.

 

Get the 4790 non-k cpu, put it in the motherboard with some decent thermal paste, set the heatsink back on the CPU and enjoy. Will you get 120+fps? Maybe, maybe not. Without a high refresh rate monitor you wouldn't get the benefit of the extra fps anway in terms of clarity and screen tearing, so you'd be looking at a new monitor as well if you want to push frame rates that far.

@dragonhart6505 so you recommand me to buy a new i7 4790 but i didnt understand why not the one with k? also i dont think its a option for me to change motherboard becuse if i will have to change from what i understand i will have to change ram and cpu aswell. my goal is just to be able to run the game in 120-140 fps no matter what settings. and yes i have a 144hz montior. that im not using to full power becuse im getting only 50-60 fps while playing with a bunch of players around me.

also here is a video someone playing with the cpu you recommanded the i7 4790 with a gtx 1070 is getting around 80-75 fps in ulta settings that mean i will be able to achvie my goal getting 120 fps on low settings? 

 

[dragonhart6505]

I am actually dumb. I thought you upgraded TO the 1050ti, not from. My bad!

Ok, so lowering settings will help...sure. With a mix of medium and low/1080p and the 4790k that'll do you closer to 120, but I still can't say for certain.

I apologize for my stupidity...like I said before, small details elude me

[danny barzilay]

@dragonhart6505 anyway thanks. so do i buy the one with the k or without the k?

i really didnt understand why it won't work or whats the diffrence between the 4770 the 4770k the 4790k 4790 or the diffrence between both of them 4790 to the 4770

also is there a huge diffrence between the one you recommand to the one i have right now (i5 4460s)

[dragonhart6505]

26 minutes ago, danny barzilay said:

@dragonhart6505 anyway thanks. so do i buy the one with the k or without the k?

i really didnt understand why it won't work or whats the diffrence between the 4770 the 4770k the 4790k 4790 or the diffrence between both of them 4790 to the 4770

also is there a huge diffrence between the one you recommand to the one i have right now (i5 4460s)

The difference in the k is the higher base CPU frequency and ability to overclock with a supported motherboard. Your board does not support overclocking, but it will still take either the k or non-k chip. The other difference is price. The non-k chip will be cheaper.

As for the difference between the 4770/4790 and your i5 4460s, there is a big difference and that is in the performance. The 4790/k have 4 cores, like your 4460, but also has hyperthreading. Basically that's like having 4 MORE cores but not physically...but you're going to get in over your head with trying to understand all the how's and why's and whats.

Ok, look...i cant teach you all youll want to know about computer parts and all the differences, there is too much to explain there and I bore and confuse people with details. I understand your 4460s is good but not good enough. The question was, is it worth it to upgrade the CPU for better performance...

Short answer: Yes, absolutely. If you don't want to spend big bucks, get the 4790. If you have some extra, get the 4790k and upgrade your motherboard later.

[danny barzilay]

@dragonhart6505 from what i saw the diffrence in price is just around 10-12$ between the 4790k or the non k one

[dragonhart6505]

31 minutes ago, danny barzilay said:

@dragonhart6505 from what i saw the diffrence in price is just around 10-12$ between the 4790k or the non k one

Then get the k, save up, do some research and get a motherboard that supports overclock. Settled

[danny barzilay]

6 minutes ago, dragonhart6505 said:

Then get the k, save up, do some research and get a motherboard that supports overclock. Settled

@dragonhart6505 will i have to change ram?