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Why do Tech Corporations have different laws and regulations then Non Tech Corporations?

Combat_Killer

G'Day LTT and others,

 

I'm sure, I'm not the only one that feels this way, but I'm curious to know others opinions on this matter. I just feel that the big tech corporations like Apple, Facebook, Google, etc... are getting away with providing services to people, that are under false pretences to the end users.

Basically in layman's terms I'm trying say is, selling/providing a product to an end user/customer claiming that the end user/customer has full control over their product, when in reality its up to the bigger corporations discretion's on how the end user/customer is allowed to use their products.

 

So why is it that i feel, that the big tech companies have separate laws and regulations, to any other type of non tech companies?

 

Examples of what i mean;

 

1. The Facebook Debacle.

After watching that 1hr+ length video watching the leaders of the USA question Mark Zuckerberg, I felt in a way that I knew what the leaders were trying to say, but couldn't pick the right wording to ask the correct questions. Now Mark Zuckerberg knew that going into the court hearing, because the people that he was going to have to answer to, were too old to truly understand online technology, which is why he is getting away with it.
But if there was someone in the higher courts that understood technology, i highly doubt that courts would of been so clueless and would of torn him to shreds.

 

2. The Apple Vs. LTT Debacle

After watching Linus's vid and then watching other POV's from other IT Youtube Channels, not one of them touched on the main problem that i see with other big major tech companies today, not just Apple. Now im still amazed how governments are allowing Apple to get away with this none sense, so lets compare this example to a non-tech company.

 

Lets say a car manufacturer sold you a car and you drove the car on a weekend get-away and suddenly there was a problem, now you are stranded so you pop up the hood and noticed the car over heated, so you managed to find water and fill it up and you managed just to get home. The next day you take it to a manufacturers dealership so you could get it fixed, the mechanic at the dealership notices that you opened up the radiator cap and you put water in it, so he relays this info to the cars head office and then they refuse to send the parts to fix the car, on the grounds that the owner touched his vehicle.

So now your only option is to take it to self-employed mechanic, but the problem is he cannot fix it as the only way to fix it is to use genuine parts, but the car manufacture doesn't give parts to anyone only to their own dealerships.
Now the customer cannot get his car repaired because of the policy of the manufacture, they will only repair things if the customer doesn't touch anything.

 

So now what is the customer supposed to do? 
I wonder how long this car manufacturer would be able to operate in the same country if the government found out that the car manufacturer was selling cars, but had this policy that they can refuse repairs because the manufacturer had a policy that would allow them to refuse repairs, because the customer touched something.

3. My Google Pay Debacle

I just activated a new bank card, from my bank. So i went down to the shops to buy some stuff, when i got to the check out my card wouldn't work, so i knew i could do "Tap & Go" from my banks app from my phone.

Now try and imagine this, your standing at the register holding up the queue and your trying to setup this "Tap & Go" function on your mobile, cause your bank card wouldn't work, but Google Pay keeps friggin popping up, quite similar to bloat ware. At this time i was just hitting accept, accept, accept and figured ill do anything right now just to pay for my shopping and fix everything when i get home. I managed to somehow do something and got my "Tap & Pay" to work, paid for my shopping and went home.

 

When I got home and received an email from Google, welcoming and thanking me for signing up and creating an account with Google Pay, i didn't want this feature so i read through the email trying to find a way on how to disable and get rid of my info, as i don't like having 3rd parties managing my private details. Funny enough, there was absolutely nothing in the email showing me or allowing me to deny this service, the email had a billion of other links to everything else but not one single link to steps showing me how to deny/deactivate this service.
So i contacted Google through a live chat, i told the person to whom i was speaking to the problem and there answer was to uninstall or disable the app and that will get rid of my info. After that i was like hmm, this person has no idea how technology works.

Any how I'm not going to deep into this as i have attached the full convo in a text file to this post if you would like to read the full session. But after reading this you will notice that i had more of an idea on how their stuff worked, then their Live Support Chat person, plus their so called Specialist that i spoke with.

 

 

If you have managed to read all of those 3 examples that i have listed, then answer this question, What do they all have in common? Do you see it?

 

 

If you guessed ownership, then you are correct.

Some how these big corporations have found these loop holes to exploit, and because the leaders of today, aren't up to par on how technology exactly works, its the main reason how these tech companies are getting away with this bullshit.
Like i mentioned before in example 2 about a car manufacturer using the same principals as what Apple uses, I don't understand how other non-tech companies aren't allowed to have these same policies that bigger tech companies have and still be in business.

 

Not only that i remember way back as far as WinXP when you installed software most of the default settings were set to 0 and if you wanted the added features or functions the owner would have to select them, but now these days when you install software or an app, they default every features or functions to "ON" and expect the user to disable everything. Now the problem here is that the big corporation know that a NEW user isn't going to know where or how to disable all these functions unless they are willing to spend hours trying to workout where they have hidden these options in the settings area.

 

Now from what i can tell, that the leaders in that FB debacle were trying to say to Mark Zuckerberg, why cant you by default disable all these functions and allow the user to enable the functions, instead of enabling all the functions by default and expecting the end user to disable them. But of course the leaders didn't understand how tech works therefore couldn't ask the right questions, hence the reason why Mark Zuckerberg and his Facebook company will get away with it.

 

I wonder how long governments would allow car manufactures, washing machine manufacturers, fridge manufacturers etc... stay in business if they all had the same bullshit going on like all these tech companies are getting away with? hmm, sorry we not going to sell you the parts needed, just because you touched it, ya right, wonder how long that would slide with the government. Sure come buy our a products, but you don't fully own them, cause if something goes wrong we are going to provide 0 service, just because you touched it!

 

So what it is i am saying is that if i own a product, then its at my discretion on where i get it repaired, sure if i use an un-certified business or i use a certified business, answer is still the same, a company builds and supplies products to the consumers, then they must be able to supply repairable parts also or then the company isn't allowed to operate, its that simple.

 

The reason for this post is to A) Find out if I'm the only one that sees this problem. and B) how do we fix this or should i say swing the turn table to the end users/customers side and let us decide on what we like to do with our own products.

 

I would really like to hear what most of think or your opinions on this matter.

As i just don't understand it, what makes these big tech corporations any different then another non-tech corporations and why they don't have to follow the same rules and regulations as the non tech corporations.

 

Cheers,

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27 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

Now try and imagine this, your standing at the register holding up the queue and your trying to setup this "Tap & Go" function on your mobile,

Ummm, what is "Tap & Go"? Never heard of it. And the only people who I know use their Bank's app for mobile payments are the people who can't use Google Pay because their bank doesn't support it.

27 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

cause your bank card wouldn't work, but Google Pay keeps friggin popping up, quite similar to bloat ware. At this time i was just hitting accept, accept, accept and figured ill do anything right now just to pay for my shopping and fix everything when i get home. I managed to somehow do something and got my "Tap & Pay" to work, paid for my shopping and went home.

Google Pay is the official contactless payment for Android Devices.

 

Sadly it is propreitary. But that's besides the point.

27 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:


So i contacted Google through a live chat, i told the person to whom i was speaking to the problem and there answer was to uninstall or disable the app and that will get rid of my info. After that i was like hmm, this person has no idea how technology works.

Google stores your info for a period of time. If you uninstall the app then you're doing as much as you can to get out of their service.

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Refusing service due to something the customer has done isn't anything new or outrageous, the least with cars. Welcome to the real world, you may always be right as a customer, but a company can discard you as their customer after you break their terms. Apple has very little to gain and even less to lose, it's not a good reason to handle this so poorly, but it's nonetheless understandable.

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42 minutes ago, tatte said:

Refusing service due to something the customer has done isn't anything new or outrageous, the least with cars. Welcome to the real world, you may always be right as a customer, but a company can discard you as their customer after you break their terms. Apple has very little to gain and even less to lose, it's not a good reason to handle this so poorly, but it's nonetheless understandable.

Kind of but not quite. There are regulations that require third parties to be able to repair all vehicles, I have worked for several companies on both sides of the first/third party divide in the vehicle industry and there are very strong regulations that require the first party manufacturers (i.e., the Fords, GM's, Honda's and Harley Davidson's)  of the world to provide enough information to allow third parties to repair their equipment. They have to have parts and manuals available and distributed to their supply chain before the new models start shipping. 

 

From what I can tell Apple (And Samsung, Intel and Sony for that matter) are in the practice of not even having the manuals and spare parts available which would be lawsuit material for any equivalent big "normie" manufacturing company. Either from the government or  the actual third party repair shop lobbying organizations. Basically the original premise of this thread seems to me to be right on the money - the big pure tech companies are getting away with things that companies that have one foot in the old line manufacturing can't get away with. I suspect mostly because the normie companies grew up with the people making the rules, once we get some tech folks in positions to make rules it may change - or it may not - after all Ajit Pai is nominally a techie but he might as well not be for all the good he does.

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§700.10   Prohibited tying.

(a) Section 102(c), 15 U.S.C. 2302(c), prohibits tying arrangements that condition coverage under a written warranty on the consumer's use of an article or service identified by brand, trade, or corporate name unless that article or service is provided without charge to the consumer.

(b) Under a limited warranty that provides only for replacement of defective parts and no portion of labor charges, section 102(c), 15 U.S.C. 2302(c), prohibits a condition that the consumer use only service (labor) identified by the warrantor to install the replacement parts. A warrantor or his designated representative may not provide parts under the warranty in a manner which impedes or precludes the choice by the consumer of the person or business to perform necessary labor to install such parts.

I think this may be grounds for a class action. I think that last line is indicative of possible malfeasance by Apple as they are disallowing anyone who isn't an authorized iMac Pro repairer from obtaining the parts to do repairs. 

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4 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Ummm, what is "Tap & Go"? Never heard of it. And the only people who I know use their Bank's app for mobile payments are the people who can't use Google Pay because their bank doesn't support it.

Google Pay is the official contactless payment for Android Devices.

 

Sadly it is propreitary. But that's besides the point.

Google stores your info for a period of time. If you uninstall the app then you're doing as much as you can to get out of their service.

I dont know if just an Australian thing or not, but "Tap & Go" is when you can pay for goods just by tapping the chip on the card onto the screen of the eftpos machine on a specified cap limit set by the banks, in my case $100. Now we have an option, use our bank cards or use our phones.

 

I know how google pay works and what it does, but my argument here is it took me like 5 mins to set it up, took me about 2 hours to get rid of my details. My point is that these tech companies make it easy for anyone to setup things, but make it virtually impossible and time consuming in order to undo something.
 

And i dont know where you got your info from, but YES google does store your info on their servers, if you read my text.doc you would of seen how they do it.

 

I remember about 10+ years a similar scenario happened with email subscribing and there was no way that you could unsubscribe from them, not until the government stepped in to stop this crap, the government FORCED them by law that in order to allow email subscriptions to keep going, they also needed to have a way for the end user to be able to unsubscribe from them, hence the reason why you now see the unsubscribe links on every single email subscription,  back in the day there wasnt this option ever.
 

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2 hours ago, tatte said:

Refusing service due to something the customer has done isn't anything new or outrageous, the least with cars. Welcome to the real world, you may always be right as a customer, but a company can discard you as their customer after you break their terms. Apple has very little to gain and even less to lose, it's not a good reason to handle this so poorly, but it's nonetheless understandable.

And this is why tech companies are getting away with it, its because of people like you, just accepting thats the way it is, when its not.

 

I can understand the refusal for warranty & guarantee if someone has touched there products, this is pretty normal EVERYWHERE, but denying service, sorry NO!
Generally in any other manufacture policy, lets say LG TV, and you touched the inside of it, then YES LG can refuse or void your warranty or guarantee of the product, but they HAVE TO FIX OR REPAIR IT, they cannot do what Apple is doing and refuse service, no other manufacture in the world is allowed to do this, but the big tech companies are allowed to do this?

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6 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

I dont know if just an Australian thing or not, but "Tap & Go" is when you can pay for goods just by tapping the chip on the card onto the screen of the eftpos machine on a specified cap limit set by the banks, in my case $100. Now we have an option, use our bank cards or use our phones.

Ah. Contactless. OK. So its just a matter of using a contactless enabled bank card or either Apple Pay, Google Pay of Samsung Pay.

6 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

I know how google pay works and what it does, but my argument here is it took me like 5 mins to set it up, took me about 2 hours to get rid of my details. My point is that these tech companies make it easy for anyone to setup things, but make it virtually impossible and time consuming in order to undo something.
 

Unfortunately that's Google for you.

6 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

And i dont know where you got your info from, but YES google does store your info on their servers, if you read my text.doc you would of seen how they do it.

 

I remember about 10+ years a similar scenario happened with email subscribing and there was no way that you could unsubscribe from them, not until the government stepped in to stop this crap, the government FORCED them by law that in order to allow email subscriptions to keep going, they also needed to have a way for the end user to be able to unsubscribe from them, hence the reason why you now unsubscribe links on every single email subscription,  back in the day there wasnt this option ever.
 

 

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1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

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I think this may be grounds for a class action. I think that last line is indicative of possible malfeasance by Apple as they are disallowing anyone who isn't an authorized iMac Pro repairer from obtaining the parts to do repairs. 

Yeah well if i had the money, i would fund any lawyer that would be willing to fight this. I know we would win, but we just need the right people to help fight this bullshit that understands what these tech companies are getting away with.

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5 hours ago, Combat_Killer said:

 

you're assuming things like this don't happen every single day with almost every single product in the world, and you're wrong. You just happened to pick and choose 3 tech examples. 

This just gets more publicity, nothing else.

 

I know a guy who bought one of those weird looking small electric BMW's, so he had a crash, it affected the batteries and some shit. He went to fix it but BMW said NO, some shit about not being save anymore so they didn't sold the parts to be repaired at a 3rd party and said they wouldn't repair it either. I do not know how it ended but again this happens all the time.

 

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2 minutes ago, asus killer said:

you're assuming things like this don't happen every single day with almost every single product in the world, and you're wrong. You just happened to pick and choose 3 tech examples. 

This just gets more publicity, nothing else.

 

I know a guy who bought one of those weird looking small electric BMW's, so he had a crash, it affected the batteries and some shit. He went to fix it but BMW said NO, some shit about not being save anymore so they didn't sold the parts to be repaired at a 3rd party and said they wouldn't repair it either. I do not know how it ended but again this happens all the time.

 

I didnt pick and choose anything, i am just showing 1 particular example per problem.

Your friend should of had insurance on the car.

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1 minute ago, Combat_Killer said:

I didnt pick and choose anything, i am just showing 1 particular example per problem.

the title is "Why do Tech Corporations have different laws and regulations then Non Tech Corporations?" o.O

 

2 minutes ago, Combat_Killer said:

Your friend should of had insurance on the car.

don't know about that, i assume he did as it was a very expensive new car and he was paying monthly for it. But even if he didn't are you saying Linus should have insurance on the mac pro? would it change anything? spoiler alert: NO!

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3 minutes ago, asus killer said:

I know a guy who bought one of those weird looking small electric BMW's, so he had a crash, it affected the batteries and some shit. He went to fix it but BMW said NO, some shit about not being save anymore so they didn't sold the parts to be repaired at a 3rd party and said they wouldn't repair it either. I do not know how it ended but again this happens all the time.

 

If parts can't be repaired, they should be replaced.

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I think the problem with tech is that in reality, most tech companies these days are providing a service, rather than a product. i.e., something intangible vs something tangible. The hardware exists solely to access that service.

 

If we were to pick on the Apple repair issues, one could spin it as this isn't the same as taking a car to the dealership to get it fixed. Dealerships primarily sell products, they just happen to have a service. Whereas Apple provides exclusive services and happen to sell hardware. While hardware is a product, it, again, exists solely to access the service. You don't need a particular iPhone or Mac to access iCloud (barring minimum requirements).

 

So side tracking, the oldest issue on the book are software licenses. People think because they have a copy of the software, they own that software. Legally they don't. The physical copy they have is a license to use the software. They only own the license, not the software on the physical media. However, if the license says the end user can do whatever they want with the software, then it's more like an ownership.

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27 minutes ago, ARikozuM said:

If parts can't be repaired, they should be replaced.

tell that to Linus xD

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5 hours ago, Combat_Killer said:

I'm sure, I'm not the only one that feels this way, but I'm curious to know others opinions on this matter. I just feel that the big tech corporations like Apple, Facebook, Google, etc... are getting away with providing services to people, that are under false pretences to the end users.

Basically in layman's terms I'm trying say is, selling/providing a product to an end user/customer claiming that the end user/customer has full control over their product, when in reality its up to the bigger corporations discretion's on how the end user/customer is allowed to use their products.

To clarify, Facebook and other sites are not "getting away" with illegal or unconsented uses of data. We have consented to the uses in those terms and services we agree to without reading, same as we consent to terms of warranties by choosing to buy a product over another one. We are choosing this. Now we should be better able to make an INFORMED decision, but these tech companies aren't the ones deciding what data they get, we are when we sign up. It's all right there above the "accept" box that we go straight to. Are these companies using data beyond what is needed to provide the service, absolutely! But did they rape us for that data, no. We let them take whatever data they ask for because we want their product. We have in effect sold our privacy in exchange for digital services. There's no false pretenses or illegal activity here, just a bunch of people signing a contract without reading it. Do things need to change, YES! But people need to stop blaming just the tech companies without taking a look in the mirror at who gave these companies that kind of power

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1 minute ago, Jtalk4456 said:

But did they rape us for that data, no.

If there was a Facebook "Like" button on the page, Facebook actually leaves a cookie on your browser so it can track what you're doing. Probably by seeing what other pages you visit with the "Like" button. Granted there's likely no personally identifying information it's gathering, but it's still tracking you.

 

At least that's what I read.

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2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

If there was a Facebook "Like" button on the page, Facebook actually leaves a cookie on your browser so it can track what you're doing. Probably by seeing what other pages you visit with the "Like" button. Granted there's likely no personally identifying information it's gathering, but it's still tracking you.

 

At least that's what I read.

That is an issue currently being worked through that again needs to be changed. But when you open websites you allow their cookie use. So again I don't condone Facebook's actions at all, but we choose to allow their actions every step of the way. Nothing ILLEGAL technically. Wrong yes illegal no

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OP, I agree that big tech needs more regulation... but from people who actually understand big tech. What if the companies did it themselves?

 

As one senator Thom Tillis said to Mark Zuckerberg (and go watch it if you haven't seen it I think he was great) unless big tech wants the government to develop their regulations, which I think everyone knows is coming, big tech (FAANG) needs to get together and develop their own standards they can all abide by, then talk to governments. a bottom up approach instead of top down.

 

At the same time, the economic issues of big data is being looked at more seriously now than ever before, with the EU and Canada beginning to look at innovative tax reforms such as a tax on revenue earned in each localities they operate instead of allowing tech to collect their revenues and be taxed in one location (usually a tax haven like ireland) 

 

At the same time, people have a shared responsibility to take more control over their own data. Privacy settings exist, google activity settings exist and its our responsibilty to take advantage of them if we're not comfortable with the data collection that occurs. 

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1 minute ago, AntiTrust said:

At the same time, people have a shared responsibility to take more control over their own data. Privacy settings exist, google activity settings exist and its our responsibilty to take advantage of them if we're not comfortable with the data collection that occurs. 

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6 minutes ago, AntiTrust said:

At the same time, people have a shared responsibility to take more control over their own data. Privacy settings exist, google activity settings exist and its our responsibilty to take advantage of them if we're not comfortable with the data collection that occurs. 

While I largely agree with this, there's still the issue that how much and what kind of data collection without your consent is okay. Is it okay for someone to track which websites I go to by say asking my ISP for a log of what addresses my external IP was trying to access? I mean, I don't care that Amazon wants that data to try to tailor ads to me (because the funny thing is, even though I've seen the effect of targeted ads, either I've already purchased the product, or I was just price scoping so they're giving me data that I already know), but some people don't like this. And that data is out of your hands. Then, in this example, getting the ISP to stop doing that is going to take either a lot of trust on the ISP's part they'll keep their word (they won't), government committees looking into it (which is another can of worms), or the ISP is forced to be splayed open for anyone to see what they're doing (not going to happen).

 

Largely what I think people should do is just minimize the amount of information about themselves that usually can't be fetched in this manner. At least, anything conclusive.

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2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

While I largely agree with this, there's still the issue that how much and what kind of data collection without your consent is okay. Is it okay for someone to track which websites I go to by say asking my ISP for a log of what addresses my external IP was trying to access? I mean, I don't care that Amazon wants that data to try to tailor ads to me (because the funny thing is, even though I've seen the effect of targeted ads, either I've already purchased the product, or I was just price scoping so they're giving me data that I already know), but some people don't like this. And that data is out of your hands. Then, in this example, getting the ISP to stop doing that is going to take either a lot of trust on the ISP's part they'll keep their word (they won't), government committees looking into it (which is another can of worms), or the ISP is forced to be splayed open for anyone to see what they're doing (not going to happen).

Yes, personally identifiable data collection without your consent - or consent obtained through unconscionable contracts that are non-negotiable - is exactly the kind of reason that regulation needs to exist. The example you're describing is a failure of regulation I'd say as I assume most people would object to this use of their data. 

 

Sure ISP's are private companies and sure if you don't like their TOS you don't have to sign up, but In most cases there is no alternative access to the internet. In this way ISP's become monopolies and monopolies are only allowable when they are regulated monopolies to ensure they aren't abusing their dominant position. If it makes more sense for only a handful of companies to provide a service, we allow them to exist as monopolies -but make sure they play fair (or thats the idea anyway) 

 

Broadly speaking, you could apply this logic to facebook, which has about 2 billion active monthly users. Sure, you don't have to use facebook, but with a third of the world logging into their services daily they certainly have a monopoly over social media and you could make the argument that alternative options don't really exist. So you sign their TOS, non negotiable, and take the consequences. In terms of antitrust law, I think this requires some form of regulation. 

 

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8 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Google Pay

What is google Pay, never heard of it nor seen it at anywhere, must be a UK thang

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1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

What is google Pay, never heard of it nor seen it at anywhere, must be a UK thang

Google rebranded Android Pay to Google Pay.

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4 hours ago, Combat_Killer said:

Your friend should of had insurance on the car.

Insurance doesn't cover everything and it very much depends on what insurance plan you have but still they won't cover 100% of damages that occur and will always try to get a way out of it to not pay you.

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