Is this tv a good deal?

[Swegly]

https://www.walmart.com/ip/VIZIO-55-Class-4K-2160P-Smart-XLED-Home-Theater-Display-E55-E1-E2/54518164

[Swegly]

Any other suggestions welcome. I just want 120hz 4k

[Ausfernando]

It looks like a good TV, I haven't had any Vizio TV tho so I don't know 

[Jasun]

I actually own a VIZIO TV but I rarely use it. I say some downsides to their TVs are that their frames aren't very sturdy/durable. And the one that I own, advertise itself as having 120Hz but in reality, it isn't really 120Hz because of something to do with fake refresh rates. Don't remember the term, you just gotta watch out for that. I honestly think that that TV isn't true 120Hz because of the price. Don't you think 4K at 120 Hz for ~500 bucks is too good to be true?

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, Swegly said:

Any other suggestions welcome. I just want 120hz 4k

Most of the TV's use mumbo jumbo fake frames to advertise themselves, i constantly see 4k tv's with "960 hz" displays.

 

Most probably your cheap vizio is actually 4k 60hz, but uses some backlight tricks to look like 120 or something.

[Swegly]

9 minutes ago, Some Random Member said:

Most of the TV's use mumbo jumbo fake frames to advertise themselves, i constantly see 4k tv's with "960 hz" displays.

 

Most probably your cheap vizio is actually 4k 60hz, but uses some backlight tricks to look like 120 or something.

 

22 minutes ago, Jasun said:

I actually own a VIZIO TV but I rarely use it. I say some downsides to their TVs are that their frames aren't very sturdy/durable. And the one that I own, advertise itself as having 120Hz but in reality, it isn't really 120Hz because of something to do with fake refresh rates. Don't remember the term, you just gotta watch out for that. I honestly think that that TV isn't true 120Hz because of the price. Don't you think 4K at 120 Hz for ~500 bucks is too good to be true?

Well say a true 120hz 4k TV is over $1000, then it would still be worth choosing the "fake" 120hz over a 60hz for the same price right, And pay $500 less.

[Jasun]

Just now, Swegly said:

 

Well say a true 120hz 4k TV is over $1000, then it would still be worth choosing the "fake" 120hz over a 60hz for the same price right, And pay $500 less.

It depends on how you're going to use your TV. If it's just for your own entertainment and not some industry grade stuff, then I would definitely save the money and choose the one above. A 4K TV for that price isn't so bad. 

[Swegly]

1 minute ago, Jasun said:

It depends on how you're going to use your TV. If it's just for your own entertainment and not some industry grade stuff, then I would definitely save the money and choose the one above. A 4K TV for that price isn't so bad. 

It will be purely for my own entertainment and I dont really want to spend more than $600

[COUPER MILLAR]

I have a vizio p50-c1. What everyone else is saying about the refresh rate is true. It will have a true refresh rate of 60hz but can run with a double speed back light flicker to help smooth out motion blur. For anything other then sports it's useless. The e series is their lowest end 4k and as such has the fewest back light zones and ok panels. 

Also if you get it through vizio directly you get free shipping and usually get a prompt for a 5% discount when first visiting their website. 

 

Tldr: for $500 bucks it's not a bad deal.

 

[Jasun]

1 minute ago, Swegly said:

It will be purely for my own entertainment and I dont really want to spend more than $600

Some pros to that TV is that it includes many google app support. For example, you can link your phone up to your TV and watch YouTube on a big screen, etc. I really like this feature because sometimes, your phone just won't cut it for you. It also supports many different apps so there's a variety to choose from. Just make sure you're actually going to use them because I think you can get a cheaper 4K TV if you don't need those extra features.

[Swegly]

1 minute ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

I have a vizio p50-c1. What everyone else is saying about the refresh rate is true. It will have a true refresh rate of 60hz but can run with a double speed back light flicker to help smooth out motion blur. For anything other then sports it's useless. The e series is their lowest end 4k and as such has the fewest back light zones and ok panels. 

Also if you get it through vizio directly you get free shipping and usually get a prompt for a 5% discount when first visiting their website. 

 

Tldr: for $500 bucks it's not a bad deal.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jasun said:

Some pros to that TV is that it includes many google app support. For example, you can link your phone up to your TV and watch YouTube on a big screen, etc. I really like this feature because sometimes, your phone just won't cut it for you. It also supports many different apps so there's a variety to choose from. Just make sure you're actually going to use them because I think you can get a cheaper 4K TV if you don't need those extra features.

What TV would be your recommendation within a $400-600 price range. Needs to be 55', 120hz, and 4k

[COUPER MILLAR]

Can I ask why you need 4k 120? Hdmi 2.0 only supports 4k 60, so unless you find a TV with dp 1.4 you won't be able to actually deliver 4k 120 content to the screen. 

[Swegly]

2 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

Can I ask why you need 4k 120? Hdmi 2.0 only supports 4k 60, so unless you find a TV with dp 1.4 you won't be able to actually deliver 4k 120 content to the screen. 

Well my computer monitor is 144hz and the difference I noticed between 60hz and 144hz is insane. I want the same experience from my TV if possible.

[COUPER MILLAR]

It currently is not possible. Until hdmi 2.1 is released you will be limited to 4k 60 regardless of what the TV says it refresh rate is.

 

Also at your budget isn't really realistic for what you are wanting.

 

Nvidia will be releasing bfgd's later this year that will be 4k 120 gsync with dp 1.4 inputs. Prices haven't been anounced, but are expected to be >$3k

[Swegly]

1 minute ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

It currently is not possible. Until hdmi 2.1 is released you will be limited to 4k 60 regardless of what the TV says it refresh rate is.

 

Also at your budget isn't really realistic for what you are wanting.

 

Nvidia will be releasing bfgd's later this year that will be 4k 120 gsync with dp 1.4 inputs. Prices haven't been anounced, but are expected to be >$3k

Ok why do they advertise as 120hz if you cant even use that capability anyway? Can you recommend a good 55' 4K TV with just 60hz then please.

[Swegly]

3 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

It currently is not possible. Until hdmi 2.1 is released you will be limited to 4k 60 regardless of what the TV says it refresh rate is.

 

Also at your budget isn't really realistic for what you are wanting.

 

Nvidia will be releasing bfgd's later this year that will be 4k 120 gsync with dp 1.4 inputs. Prices haven't been anounced, but are expected to be >$3k

What about this one - https://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-55-Class-4K-2160P-Ultra-HD-Smart-LED-TV-55UJ6300/55528639#read-more

[79wjd]

4 minutes ago, Swegly said:

Ok why do they advertise as 120hz if you cant even use that capability anyway? Can you recommend a good 55' 4K TV with just 60hz then please.

Because they "fake" 120hz. But there are plenty of 4k tvs that are capable of 120hz 1080p, just not 120hz 4k. 

 

3 minutes ago, Swegly said:

What about this one - https://www.walmart.com/ip/LG-55-Class-4K-2160P-Ultra-HD-Smart-LED-TV-55UJ6300/55528639#read-more

Also 60hz. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uj6300

 

Are you going to use it with your computer?

[Swegly]

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

Because they "fake" 120hz. But there are plenty of 4k tvs that are capable of 120hz 1080p, just not 120hz 4k. 

 

Also 60hz. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uj6300

 

Are you going to use it with your computer?

No im not going to use it with my computer. Im just trying to find the best smart TV that fits within my budget, that provides the best viewing experience possible for the price. Budget $400-600. Can go higher if its totally worth it but id rather not

[79wjd]

2 minutes ago, Swegly said:

No im not going to use it with my computer. Im just trying to find the best smart TV that fits within my budget, that provides the best viewing experience possible for the price. Budget $400-600. Can go higher if its totally worth it but id rather not

If you're not using it with your computer, then 60hz is fine since nothing will output >60hz content anyway and any higher refresh rates will just get interpolated anyway.

 

Rtings.com is a great place to compare TVs.

[COUPER MILLAR]

They advertise as 120 because they usually can do 1080 @120. The vizio m series feels like a good budget option, you get 3x more lighting zones and support for all major hdr standards. The are on sale on visio's website for 699 for this year's and 599 for last year's models. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Swegly said:

 

Yeah you can use the real 4k 120hz TV's only as a 1080p 120hz monitor for PC anyways too, due to the limitations of hdmi 2.0.

[Swegly]

1 minute ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

They advertise as 120 because they usually can do 1080 @120. The vizio m series feels like a good budget option, you get 3x more lighting zones and support for all major hdr standards. The are on sale on visio's website for 699 for this year's and 599 for last year's models. 

So this option right here - https://www.walmart.com/ip/VIZIO-55-Class-4K-2160p-Smart-XLED-Home-Theater-Display-M55-E0/168715177#read-more

would be better than the Vizio TV that I was asking about at the start?

[COUPER MILLAR]

Correct

[Swegly]

3 minutes ago, COUPER MILLAR said:

Correct

Thank you. Sorry, but I have one last question. Is this TV better - https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-55-class-54-6-diag--led-2160p-smart-4k-ultra-hd-tv-with-high-dynamic-range-roku-tv/5878705.p?skuId=5878705&cmp=RMX&extStoreId=101&ref=212&loc=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw5fDWBRDaARIsAA5uWTgKQJKShcoZvf048HzTVqOtbPH4ddhXwUL2RRJg6hBo1k_Gmvq0VfcaAvKWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

or the vizio M55. I saw somewhere that this TCL TV was recommended for being very slightly better somehow.

[AshleyAshes]

38 minutes ago, Swegly said:

Ok why do they advertise as 120hz if you cant even use that capability anyway? Can you recommend a good 55' 4K TV with just 60hz then please.

It's so it can play 24hz content.

 

Sorry for the bolding but I've explained this on this forum many times.  Firstly, let's go to LTT's own recent video on frame times:

 

 

We all know about frame times, right?  Digital Foundry reinforces this topic all the time.  A 60hz display refreshes 60 times per second or once every 16.66ms  If your game runs at 60fps locked, you get a frame every 16.66.  If your framerate dips BELOW like 40-50fps you start getting uneven frame times because 60 divides into 60 perfectly evenly, 40 or 50, not so much, so you start getting some frames at 33.33 ms while others are at 16.66ms and that creates a 'judder' as the frequency at which you see new frames jumps up and down.  Because, remember, 60hz display can ONLY refresh at 16.66ms intervals, if there is no new frame, the last frame is held, so it will then be on screen for 33.33ms or 50ms.  This is why for games that can't hit 60hz you often see 30fps locks.  Cause at least then every frame is delivered EVENLY at 33.33ms.

 

Now let's look at most TV and movies... Yup, those are 24hz and your TV is 60hz.  In television we would call what needs to be done a 'pulldown' at a rate of 3:2, so a frame is held for 3 refresh cycles, the next frame for 2 cycles, then 3, then 2 and so on.  Or, timing wise, 50ms, 33.33ms, 50ms, 33.33ms... Yup, each successful frame is not drawn for the same length of time as the last frame so you get judder.  Same 'frame time' issue that has been grilled into you about video games.

 

So, okay, sure your 120hz panel in your TV can't get a 120hz signal for HDMI.  For the uneducated you'd say 'WELL THIS IS CLEARLY A SCAM BLAH BLAH CAUSE I KNOW ALL BOUT THE COMPUTER FRAME RATES'.  But what if we went with a 24hz signal?  Because 24 DOES divide evenly into 120.  It divides 5 times into 120 even.  So we can do a 5:5 pulldown.  Every frame of your 24fps movie will be drawn for 5 refresh cycles.  On a 120hz display each refresh cycle is 8.33ms long, if you use 5 cycles for each frame that's 41.66ms.  Every frame is displayed for exactly for 41.66ms.  Not 33.33, then 50, then 33.33, then 50 and so on like a 3:2 pulldown, but for 41.66ms every time.  No judder from uneven frame times because now the frame times.

 

Disclaimer: You will ALSO need an input device that NATIVELY outputs 24hz.  A lot of cheaper hardware will do the 3:2 pulldown internally and send out a 60hz signal.  Then the 120hz panel is useless.  Your movie playing hardware will need to see that it is playing 24fps content and then send ONLY a 24hz signal to the display.