Ryzen 7 2700x or i7 8700k

[sonyzz]

Should i get Ryzen 7 2700x or i7 8700k to pair with my Gigabyte GTX 1080 Xtreme gaming edition for now, as i replace i7 6700k cpu, for gaming and video encoding/compression, or should i wait for new intel release, and next gen nvidia gpu's? since 1080 vs 1080 ti is only 30% boost in performance

[Sauron]

With the meltdown patch, the 2700x is better in almost everything. As for waiting, it all depends on how much you need it right now - waiting is never a bad idea.

[PokiDaSpitz]

I would recommend the 8700k only if you have loads of money.

I would recommend the 2700x if you feel like you will be doing more productive work than gaming and if you have loads of money.

If not just wait till the next graphics card

[Od1sseas]

12 minutes ago, Sauron said:

With the meltdown patch, the 2700x is better in almost everything. As for waiting, it all depends on how much you need it right now - waiting is never a bad idea.

Nice joke

 

If you have the money get the i7 8700K and overclock it. This CPU is just the best for gaming.

[Jijooo]

Intel i7 8700k is better for gaming, amd AMD Ryen 7 2700x is better for video editing, multitasking...

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Od1sseas said:

Nice joke

4 minutes ago, Od1sseas said:

If you have the money get the i7 8700K and overclock it. This CPU is just the best for gaming.

Nice denial.

4 minutes ago, Jijooo said:

Intel i7 8700k is better for gaming

No, it's not.

Spoiler

 

 

 

[PokiDaSpitz]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Nice denial.

No, it's not.

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oof, roasted and with factual proof

[Od1sseas]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Nice denial.

No, it's not.

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Go watch actual benchmarks and not those fake ones that are paid by AMD. Even the i5 perform better than the Ryzen 7

https://youtu.be/XOOohlyJem0?t=12m59s

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Od1sseas said:

Go watch actual benchmarks and not those fake ones that are paid by AMD. Even the i5 perform better than the Ryzen 7

https://youtu.be/XOOohlyJem0?t=12m59s

What if your benchmarks are paid by Intel who has a track record of doing such shady things, and his benchmarks are real?

Something to think about

[LienusLateTips]

1 minute ago, Od1sseas said:

Go watch actual benchmarks and not those fake ones that are paid by AMD. Even the i5 perform better than the Ryzen 7

https://youtu.be/XOOohlyJem0?t=12m59s

Anandtech is a long running tech news site. I trust them more than Linus and Hardware Unboxed and on par with DIgitalFoundry and Gamers Nexus.

[Jijooo]

6 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Nice denial.

No, it's not.

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Yes it is

[Od1sseas]

5 minutes ago, Some Random Member said:

What if your benchmarks are paid by Intel who has a track record of doing such shady things, and his benchmarks are real?

Something to think about

Paid by Intel, and reviews Ryzen, says good things about them and recomments them. That makes sense

[TheStyne]

1 minute ago, Jijooo said:

Yes it is

Those results are mostly due to the much better overclocking abilities of Intel's chips. I'm not taking a side here, as that is something to consider when picking a CPU. The higher clock speed from better overclocks on Intel help with gaming, but the bonus cores/threads from AMD help in workstation tasks. At the end of the day, they will both give you solid performance, and in the real, non-benchmark world they're very similar.

[airdeano]

okkkk, enough with the flamewar and attacks on others.. help the OP with the situation or dont reply

[Sauron]

18 minutes ago, Od1sseas said:

Go watch actual benchmarks and not those fake ones that are paid by AMD. Even the i5 perform better than the Ryzen 7

https://youtu.be/XOOohlyJem0?t=12m59s

Except those """real""" benchmarks don't use the meltdown patch, which is complete bullshit

 

14 minutes ago, Jijooo said:

Yes it is

Forgive me if I trust a review site with individual graphs over an aggregate score of wildly varied builds. There could be 100s of factors influencing the aggregate, like ram speed and the gpu used.

20 minutes ago, PokiDaSpitz said:

oof, roasted and with factual proof

The best kind of roast

 

[Sauron]

1 minute ago, airdeano said:

okkkk, enough with the flamewar and attacks on others.. help the OP with the situation or dont reply

Oh damn I saw this late. I won't continue the discussion

[LienusLateTips]

7 minutes ago, Jijooo said:

-snip-

Userbenchmark isn't accurate. You could have dozens of people overclocking on LN2, with another dozen heavily downclocking another chip, and it doesn't care.

[Od1sseas]

6 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Except those """real""" benchmarks don't use the meltdown patch, which is complete bullshit

 

Forgive me if I trust a review site with individual graphs over an aggregate score of wildly varied builds. There could be 100s of factors influencing the aggregate, like ram speed and the gpu used.

The best kind of roast

 

This Meltdown patch does NOT decrease gaming performance.

[sonyzz]

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

With the meltdown patch, the 2700x is better in almost everything. As for waiting, it all depends on how much you need it right now - waiting is never a bad idea.

even after spectre and meltdown update performance in games increased by 3-5fps that cpu was performing before spectre and meltdown, LOL

 

[Sauron]

14 minutes ago, sonyzz said:

even after spectre and meltdown update performance in games increased by 3-5fps that cpu was performing before spectre and meltdown, LOL

 

I posted a lot of benchmarks, you can look at the numbers yourself

[Lathlaer]

18 hours ago, JDE said:

Anandtech is a long running tech news site. I trust them more than Linus and Hardware Unboxed and on par with DIgitalFoundry and Gamers Nexus.

Well then, there isn't a single gaming benchmark on GN site where 8700k isn't winning and they also claim to have it tested with the newest Windows patch.

 

12 hours ago, Sauron said:

I posted a lot of benchmarks, you can look at the numbers yourself

 

Anyway, Anandtech themselves said that they are aware of massive discrepancies between their testing results and other media and are investigating. I suggest moderation in bold claims one way or the other.

 

I've seen some comments that it might be because they are testing on the W10 Enterprise which was supposedly hit more by Spectre/Meltdown patches than W10 Home and Pro versions.

 

I'm sure Anandtech will comment on the matter once they are done with their investigation. 

[Sauron]

9 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

Anyway, Anandtech themselves said that they are aware of massive discrepancies between their testing results and other media and are investigating. I suggest moderation in bold claims one way or the other.

 

I've seen some comments that it might be because they are testing on the W10 Enterprise which was supposedly hit more by Spectre/Meltdown patches than W10 Home and Pro versions.

 

I'm sure Anandtech will comment on the matter once they are done with their investigation. 

Other outlets have admitted they did not use the meltdown patch. There is no reason for w10 enterprise to be more affected by a security plug than any other version, especially given the nature of the problem. Some further investigation is warranted just to be sure, but I see no clear reason to doubt their scores. Not to mention that many coffee lake motherboards have an opt out auto overclocking feature, which you may remember caused a lot of debate at launch - perhaps anandtech are the only ones who turned that off, in which case the other outlets would be displaying straight up incompetence. And may I remind you - first gen ryzen chips are on those graphs too, and they didn't get extraordinary numbers.

[Lathlaer]

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

Other outlets have admitted they did not use the meltdown patch.

OK so out of curiosity I looked at Anandtech's initial 8700k review and compared their data to those recent from Ryzen2.

 

The games they tested in both reviews:

 

Civilization VI: the frames of 8700k as of April 2018 are hugely improved in comparison to initial launch.

Shadow of Mordor: within margin of error, with the frames after smeltdown minimally higher again.

Raise of the Tomb Raider: see above

GTAV: see above

 

All this talk about Spectre and Meltdown affecting the performance and yet not a single example.

 

So the discrepancy they have is less about the performance hit on Intel side and more about their exceptionally high Ryzen2 numbers.

 

Of course it is possible that all those games got significant improvement patches between October 7, 2017 and April 19, 2018. And then that significant boost got neutered by the Spectre/Meltdown patch.

 

2 hours ago, Sauron said:

Not to mention that many coffee lake motherboards have an opt out auto overclocking feature

Obviously irrelevant in cases where overclocked 8700k is pitied against overclocked Ryzen2.

 

I wasn't curious before but now I am and I will be eagerly awaiting the follow-up.

[Sauron]

4 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

Of course it is possible that all those games got significant improvement patches between October 7, 2017 and April 19, 2018. And then that significant boost got neutered by the Spectre/Meltdown patch.

Which is what generally happens when a new cpu launches.

5 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

Obviously irrelevant in cases where overclocked 8700k is pitied against overclocked Ryzen2.

Yes, but that's not the case in any of the benchmarks I posted unless I misread something. Furthermore, if the other publications aren't running the latest windows patch it's more than possible that some tweaks microsoft made to better support the new ryzen chips weren't in play.

 

To be completely fair, the fact that the intel chips were using slower memory may also have played a part - but they gave a reason for this, and fast memory isn't much more expensive than slower memory nowadays.

[Od1sseas]

19 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Which is what generally happens when a new cpu launches.

Yes, but that's not the case in any of the benchmarks I posted unless I misread something. Furthermore, if the other publications aren't running the latest windows patch it's more than possible that some tweaks microsoft made to better support the new ryzen chips weren't in play.

 

To be completely fair, the fact that the intel chips were using slower memory may also have played a part - but they gave a reason for this, and fast memory isn't much more expensive than slower memory nowadays.

You just trying to justify your shitty crazen purchase. Just stop. Intel is the best for gaming and this is a fact