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Lenovo has quietly introduced new ThinkPads with AMD Ryzen Mobile APUs.

 

These notebooks are the ThinkPad E485 and E585.

 

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 One interesting thing to note is that these do not use Ryzen Pro Mobile APUs and instead use Consumer level Ryzen Mobile APUs.

 

The E485 comes with either Ryzen 3 2200U (dual core SMT with Vega 3 iGPU) or Ryzen 5 2500U (quad core SMT with Vega 8 iGPU).

The E585 is basically a 15 inch version of the E485 and comes with either Ryzen 5 2500U (quad core SMT with Vega 8 iGPU) or Ryzen 7 2700U (quad core SMT with Vega 10 iGPU).

 

Both models come with a discrete TPM 2.0 hardware chip. Some SKUs may also include a Fingerprint Scanner.

 

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Screenshot taken from Anandtech's article.

 

The base model E485 is expected to retail for around $600 USD. I'd expect the E585 to cost around $800-1000 USD based on the E485's predicted price.

 

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Lenovo has quietly published specifications of its ThinkPad E485 and ThinkPad E585 laptops based on AMD’s Ryzen Mobile processors on its website. Coming in classic black chassis and featuring ergonomic keyboards, the new notebooks are the first Ryzen Mobile-powered PCs aimed at the SMB market segment. The new ThinkPads are equipped with a dTPM

 

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The new AMD Ryzen Mobile-based ThinkPads are generally identical, but as their model numbers suggest, the model E485 has a 14-inch screen, whereas the model E585 features a 15.6-inch display. Speaking of displays, the manufacturer plans to offer two antiglare LCD options with its ThinkPad E485 and E585 laptops: one with a 1366×768 resolution, another with a 1920×1080 resolution. Apart from monitors, the laptops feature slightly different keyboards. The 15.6-inch versions feature a full-sized keyboard with a numpad, whereas the 14-inchers come with a classic notebook keyboard layout. Like other ThinkPads, the new models E485 and E585 are equipped with ergonomic keyboards featuring trackpoints and trackpads.

 

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The new Lenovo ThinkPad E485 and ThinkPad E585 notebooks are expected to be available in the coming weeks. When it comes to pricing, it is set to vary greatly. There will be very affordable laptops powered by AMD’s Ryzen 3 2200U APU and featuring hard drives along with ‘HD’ displays that will probably retail for ~$600 or less, whereas the premium machines based on AMD’s Ryzen 7 2700U and accompanied by UHD panels and dual-drive storage subsystems will cost considerably higher

 

So yeah, hopefully we see more business laptops with Ryzen Mobile as an option. Although I'm still waiting for AMD to release a 45w monster 6C/12T mobile chip :P.

 

Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12655/lenovo-lists-thinkpad-e485e585-amds-ryzen-mobile-land-in-business-pcs

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I am happy to see some quality amd chips in laptops. It seems like for the longest time the only amd cpus in laptops were really poopy ones. I am excited to see how more amd laptop cpus influences the laptop market

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Wasn't actually aware AMD had a dual core chip in their lineup ... Although i found out the french AMD site has a pretty huge typo , listing it as a 28nm chip..

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Sweet! If I ever decide to get a laptop I'd like it to be something like that with te R5 2500u.

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1 hour ago, WhisperingKnickers said:

I am happy to see some quality amd chips in laptops. It seems like for the longest time the only amd cpus in laptops were really poopy ones. I am excited to see how more amd laptop cpus influences the laptop market

Sadly, most if not all AMD-based laptops are still crap. A little better than before but you won't be getting anything special. No ThinkPad T models, no Dell XPS, no Asus Zenbook or any other high-end model/brand.

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Im gonna be honest.

 

I like amd products but this doesnt look competitive when you compare it with something like the acer aspire e15, even at the 600$ price point.

 

Lets see how things evolve.

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10 minutes ago, Arenero14 said:

Im gonna be honest.

 

I like amd products but this doesnt look competitive when you compare it with something like the acer aspire e15, even at the 600$ price point.

How? AMD recommends the Ryzen 3 Mobile APUs for devices around $600 USD afaik.


Also, keep in mind that this is a Business Laptop.

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25 minutes ago, Coaxialgamer said:

Wasn't actually aware AMD had a dual core chip in their lineup

Yeah they only have 1 in their Ryzen 3 Mobile chip. The R3 2200U.

 

The Ryzen 3 2300U is a quad core without SMT and with Vega 6 iGPU. Sadly nobody seems to be using it.

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1366 x 768

 

LOL.  Why the fuck does this resolution even exist anymore?  You could buy that resolution back in 2007 and even then it was considered "budget"!

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1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

1366 x 768

 

LOL.  Why the fuck does this resolution even exist anymore?  You could buy that resolution back in 2007 and even then it was considered "budget"!

 

My Lenovo T450 had the 1366 x 768 resolution -- okay it was a base model (with fingerprint + card reader + SIM card slot) with an i5-4300U ... but $700 CDN was hard to pass up.

It actually doesn't look too, too bad on a 14" (or smaller) laptop.

 

If I am not mistaken, or too out of date, lower resolution displays typically consume a bit less power.

Even if it's a 2W ~ 5W difference, that could equate up to 10% ~ 20% of extra battery life.

In low-power, thin, and light form factors, this would be pretty significant.

 

Cost is also something to consider as well.

 

That said, I've opted for the 1080p display on my new T480.

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OO was on the fence about a ThinkPad as a suitable tech support laptop, this only enforces the idea :D 

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Was a bit excited till I read it was the E series.
The E series are the budget Thinkpads and from what Ive always heard were 'Standard laptops with a Thinkpad skin'.
99% of the time when you think of a 'Thinkpad' your thinking of the T series.
- I personally hope we get to see Ryzen in a T, or P model - or bring back the W series!

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11 hours ago, AnonymousGuy said:

1366 x 768

 

LOL.  Why the fuck does this resolution even exist anymore?  You could buy that resolution back in 2007 and even then it was considered "budget"!

Ah yes the resolution given to use by satan himself.

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I don't really see 9 hours happening on that battery... Maybe with the dual core being undervolted, with the low res screen on low brightness and very low performance demands. So not real world usage.

 

Dual cores should not be a thing unless it's a REALLY cheap laptop, which this is not. 

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11 hours ago, AluminiumTech said:

Also, keep in mind that this is a Business Laptop.

ThinkPad Edge isn't for business. They're consumer laptops. They even still use IdeaPad BIOSes.

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>1366x768

 

It was terrible on my old IdeaPad Y410P in 2013 and it's beyond unacceptable in 2018

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13 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Sadly, most if not all AMD-based laptops are still crap. A little better than before but you won't be getting anything special. No ThinkPad T models, no Dell XPS, no Asus Zenbook or any other high-end model/brand.

Spec wise I'd rather one of these than a Lenovo T with Intel CPU and no dGPU.

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8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Spec wise I'd rather one of these than a Lenovo T with Intel CPU and no dGPU.

It depends for me. AMD laptops are generally overpriced. I'm not sure whether Intel gives better deals or what's going on but AMD laptops are generally more expensive for what you get. AMD also (the chip itself aside) lacks the solid platform Intel has built. AMD lacks the choice Intel has and we get these commodity machines because of it. Recently we saw AMD chips get thrown into a 2016 chassis with a ton of empty space. Many still get 500 GB HDD and 4 GB of RAM. It's ridiculous.

Finally there are still software issues where laptops crash or refuse to run software. 

 

Fix all these grievances and I'm on board. I love the performance. I'm a bit iffy on power consumption/battery life;

I'm not sure if it's the chip itself or poor OEM design being the culprit. Some evidence would indicate the latter.

 

Either way, I hate to say it but while I may pick one up for myself if I had money to burn, I probably wouldn't recommend a friend buy it.

 

AMD needs to position itself as a premium brand and stop this budget-only nonsense. They need to stop being this third class product.

 

We kinda also need to get 45W chips for laptops (which could easily be done by binning the desktop APUs).

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29 minutes ago, Trixanity said:

It depends for me. AMD laptops are generally overpriced. I'm not sure whether Intel gives better deals or what's going on but AMD laptops are generally more expensive for what you get. AMD also (the chip itself aside) lacks the solid platform Intel has built. AMD lacks the choice Intel has and we get these commodity machines because of it. Recently we saw AMD chips get thrown into a 2016 chassis with a ton of empty space. Many still get 500 GB HDD and 4 GB of RAM. It's ridiculous.

Finally there are still software issues where laptops crash or refuse to run software. 

 

Fix all these grievances and I'm on board. I love the performance. I'm a bit iffy on power consumption/battery life;

I'm not sure if it's the chip itself or poor OEM design being the culprit. Some evidence would indicate the latter.

 

Either way, I hate to say it but while I may pick one up for myself if I had money to burn, I probably wouldn't recommend a friend buy it.

 

AMD needs to position itself as a premium brand and stop this budget-only nonsense. They need to stop being this third class product.

 

We kinda also need to get 45W chips for laptops (which could easily be done by binning the desktop APUs).

Well most of the issues are past issues with different AMD platforms and architectures, carrying sentiment across aside (fair thing to do) technical issues of such different things shouldn't be so readily applied to something new.

 

Almost every business oriented laptop has the same design traits you describe as well, tons of wasted space to cater for every SKU configuration possible in the same chassis. Innovation just isn't a thing for HP, Dell and Lenovo business laptops and to be honest those customers don't want it.

 

As for crappy specs, yea that's an Intel laptop thing too. My laptop given to me first time around at work was an HP EliteBook 850 G1 (i5-4200U, 4GB Ram, 500GB HDD) and it was the most utterly awful user experience yet there are much higher spec options, cheap bastards.

 

There aren't actually that many Intel CPU options either, not in the same segment. Generally you see 3 or 4 Intel CPU options and no more without changing product type. Basically you have option 1) Terrible, 2) Awful, 3) Usable, 4) The one you want but almost never get.

 

Intel laptops are not a problem free platform either, mostly never caused by Intel as well. I've never kept the supplied OS on any device ever, always issues with them. I know I do a good enough job with that too since Acer APAC contacted us to create an SCCM drive package for them as it was a condition to a large sale contract they wanted and they heard we do a good job at that sort of thing, the laptop in question (an Intel one) was just horrific and used so many low quality 3rd party chipsets it was a nightmare. Lesson from that is every cheap laptop is crap doesn't matter if it's AMD or Intel.

 

Ryzen desktop CPUs TDP limited and pair with a dGPU would make an excellent platform to bring back the W series.

 

P.S. Never seen any laptop ever meet it's battery life spec, those are so worthless to look at lol.

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4 hours ago, leadeater said:

Well most of the issues are past issues with different AMD platforms and architectures, carrying sentiment across aside (fair thing to do) technical issues of such different things shouldn't be so readily applied to something new.

 

Almost every business oriented laptop has the same design traits you describe as well, tons of wasted space to cater for every SKU configuration possible in the same chassis. Innovation just isn't a thing for HP, Dell and Lenovo business laptops and to be honest those customers don't want it.

 

As for crappy specs, yea that's an Intel laptop thing too. My laptop given to me first time around at work was an HP EliteBook 850 G1 (i5-4200U, 4GB Ram, 500GB HDD) and it was the most utterly awful user experience yet there are much higher spec options, cheap bastards.

 

There aren't actually that many Intel CPU options either, not in the same segment. Generally you see 3 or 4 Intel CPU options and no more without changing product type. Basically you have option 1) Terrible, 2) Awful, 3) Usable, 4) The one you want but almost never get.

 

Intel laptops are not a problem free platform either, mostly never caused by Intel as well. I've never kept the supplied OS on any device ever, always issues with them. I know I do a good enough job with that too since Acer APAC contacted us to create an SCCM drive package for them as it was a condition to a large sale contract they wanted and they heard we do a good job at that sort of thing, the laptop in question (an Intel one) was just horrific and used so many low quality 3rd party chipsets it was a nightmare. Lesson from that is every cheap laptop is crap doesn't matter if it's AMD or Intel.

 

Ryzen desktop CPUs TDP limited and pair with a dGPU would make an excellent platform to bring back the W series.

 

P.S. Never seen any laptop ever meet it's battery life spec, those are so worthless to look at lol.

I should perhaps clarify. I'm referring to current AMD laptops. As in Ryzen based laptops.

And I'm talking brand new laptops too - from this year. 

That Intel has commodity crap is a given - they're ubiquitous at every price point but they also have the premium stuff.

 

My reference to empty space is a brand new Dell Inspiron - I mean look at the damn internals:

https://imgur.com/gallery/bNHRG#1fWTC1y

It's horrifying. It's the 2016 design I was talking about. At least it has an SSD but god damn it - it pisses me off.

 

When I refer to crashes and battery life I'm also referring to Ryzen based systems that are tested by Notebookcheck. They do both battery life and power consumption measurements. They've also had issues with unstable systems. 

If that's the best we can get on an AMD platform, then it's not worth it at all. And I'm saying this as someone who wants choice.

I want to be able to pick up a Ryzen based XPS that gets excellent build quality, excellent battery life, stable system and a great user experience at the same price as an Intel system or lower if possible. Yet, I can probably pick up an Inspiron with a HDD that costs more than the Intel equivalent bottom tier. That's what I'm protesting. I have to pay more for a worse experience.

 

And it doesn't even have to be XPS. It could be a HP system, an Acer system, Asus system, Lenovo system or whatever the case may be. I just don't want to pay the same or more while they cut corners compared to the Intel system and push out an AMD system that has received no attention to detail or any QA work.

 

My question is where are the laptops with 4K screens, 512 GB NVMe SSDs, 16 GB of RAM, excellent unobtrusive cooling, with or without dedicated graphics etc etc - they're MiA. And I think the earliest we can expect that to change is when we get Zen 2 based laptop chips where (hopefully) AMD has finally convinced them that they're worth gambling on. I just think OEMs have no confidence in the brand and therefore sabotage the AMD platform yet somehow feel obligated to make a few obligatory systems so they half-ass it as much as possible.

 

Edit: I should note that AMD has claimed they've put their foot down on these practices but with the current batch of systems it isn't much better than in the Bulldozer era. They say they've got stricter requirements and that they're actively working with OEMs but I've yet to see anything really worth picking up. And by that I mean a system where you're picking it up because it's a great laptop - not picking it up because it's an AMD system and you pick it up to support them even if it's objectively worse. And I get that we're potentially running into a chicken and egg situation where people don't pick up AMD laptops because they're bad so OEMs don't sell any of them and therefore don't put any effort into them - rinse and repeat. Yet I honestly think that the lack of sales is because of a lack of quality. And that the sales will come if OEMs start to give a damn.

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Nice. Great to see more of these. I would really like to see slim and light 17" though, much more screen area for not much physical size increase. 

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So where can I shop for these? Are they out yet?

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3 minutes ago, potoooooooo said:

45Wh? 9 Hours? Not likely whatsoever lol

These are 15w Chips with low res screens so I don't see why not.

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