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SpaceX eyeing International Travel within the decade

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Probably not so much new news as more confirmation of the direction that SpaceX may be taking in their quest for sustainable rocketry, however SpaceX's COO, Gwynne Shotwell, has confirmed at TED 2018 that they are planning to be using the Big Falcon Rocket as an International Travel platform within the next decade and they feel that they could be competitive with a standard Business Class ticket for travel to the other side of the world.  

 

https://www.fastcompany.com/40557831/spacex-wants-to-replace-long-haul-flights-with-rocket-travel-in-the-next-10-years

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Elon Musk, CEO of SpaceX, is obsessed with flying to Mars. We know this, because he’s said his company will start testing space travel as early as next year.

 

While Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX’s COO, is driving that mission, she’s also setting her sights a little closer to home. At TED 2018 in Vancouver, Shotwell announced that SpaceX will, in the next decade, launch rockets for international travel. A trip from London to Shanghai, for instance, would take as little as a half an hour, and cost somewhere around what a business-class trip the same distance would. “It’s space travel for earthlings,” she says.

 

SpaceX’s BFR, which Shotwell says stands for “Big … Falcon Rocket,” will be the vehicle to make these trips. The company began building the first prototypes of the rockets this March. And while they’re expensive to build, Shotwell argues that the sheer volume of trips the BFRs could make would generate enough revenue to balance the costs. “If we can run trips that last a half hour or an hour, we can run dozens of them a day,” she says. “A long-haul aircraft can only do one.”

 

The rockets will be able to hold around 100 people, and for doubters, Shotwell has these words: “It’s definitely going to happen.”EA

Now don't get me wrong, this is exciting and I'm hoping that they are successful at this endeavor, but I have some serious safety concerns myself given aviation history and how markets and safety tend to operate...  My general impression is that a demand for volume can lead to cutting corners in order to deliver and the last thing that I would want cutting corners is a rocket that I'm using for travel around the world.  Might have to up ticket prices a bit.

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Astronauts are in extremely good health, constantly physically training for missions. How much medical approval would Rocket Flight require? That's not a small issue for this.

 

Also, if they're launching from the States, getting FAA approvals will take until 2030 or later. I'm quite positive on the Technical ability to perform the task, and it is something SpaceX should be headed towards, but there are some really rough realities that are going to be limitations.

 

Yet, if it works, it really does change quite a few things. One of which is how fast deadly diseases can transit the globe.

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21 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

Now don't get me wrong, this is exciting and I'm hoping that they are successful at this endeavor, but I have some serious safety concerns myself given aviation history and how markets and safety tend to operate...  My general impression is that a demand for volume can lead to cutting corners in order to deliver and the last thing that I would want cutting corners is a rocket that I'm using for travel around the world.

Well, comparing the mortality of airplane travel vs. the mortality of motor land travel, I would be more concerned about Tesla than about SpaceX...

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Cool. But as far as I understand space rockets these days require great weather conditions. If these new rockets have equally high requirements for good weather.. Good luck launching a rocket in Northern Europe. 

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35 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Well, comparing the mortality of airplane travel vs. the mortality of motor land travel, I would be more concerned about Tesla than about SpaceX...

I agree that auto accidents do have the higher yearly/overall mortality rate, it's just that air accidents usually have the higher instantaneous mortality rate...  I would really love to know what safety procedures/technology SpaceX would consider in case of a catastrophic rocket accident.  Best guess is that the passenger compartment/module would have emergency deployment rockets and a parachute.  

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12 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

I would really love to know what safety procedures/technology SpaceX would consider in case of a catastrophic rocket accident.  Best guess is that the passenger compartment/module would have emergency deployment rockets and a parachute.  

I think I may know....

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12 minutes ago, WMGroomAK said:

I agree that auto accidents do have the higher yearly/overall mortality rate, it's just that air accidents usually have the higher instantaneous mortality rate...  I would really love to know what safety procedures/technology SpaceX would consider in case of a catastrophic rocket accident.  Best guess is that the passenger compartment/module would have emergency deployment rockets and a parachute.  

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1 hour ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Astronauts are in extremely good health, constantly physically training for missions. How much medical approval would Rocket Flight require? That's not a small issue for this.

 

Also, if they're launching from the States, getting FAA approvals will take until 2030 or later. I'm quite positive on the Technical ability to perform the task, and it is something SpaceX should be headed towards, but there are some really rough realities that are going to be limitations.

 

Yet, if it works, it really does change quite a few things. One of which is how fast deadly diseases can transit the globe.

I mean yeah, it's pretty clear that at least at first there's going to be a screening process. In fact I'd rather they used rocket-powered aircraft that took off like a rocket and landed like a plane, since airports already exist everywhere in the world. You can still get those fast travel times on an aircraft if you travel through space.

 

Perhaps there's also a way to make the craft take off like a plane. This is useful because otherwise passengers will need the special training you alluded to (though to be fair a week in space is much easier on the body than 30 minutes).

 

An ambitious goal, for sure, but we've come to expect that from Elon Musk.


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17 minutes ago, Energycore said:

I mean yeah, it's pretty clear that at least at first there's going to be a screening process. In fact I'd rather they used rocket-powered aircraft that took off like a rocket and landed like a plane, since airports already exist everywhere in the world. You can still get those fast travel times on an aircraft if you travel through space.

 

Perhaps there's also a way to make the craft take off like a plane. This is useful because otherwise passengers will need the special training you alluded to (though to be fair a week in space is much easier on the body than 30 minutes).

 

An ambitious goal, for sure, but we've come to expect that from Elon Musk.

Space Planes don't really work given the current technology. Quite a lot of it because it's a good bit easier to support the weight of the launch vehicle vertically. 

 

Even if it never gets directly approved, the planning needed is worth it for SpaceX. They need the engines & systems reliable on the level of jumbo jets, so the only way to get there is to work to get there. And maybe they never get human flight approval, but what about freight? I can imagine the Militaries would be interesting in moving ~20 tons across the globe in an hour.

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Space Planes don't really work given the current technology. Quite a lot of it because it's a good bit easier to support the weight of the launch vehicle vertically. 

 

Even if it never gets directly approved, the planning needed is worth it for SpaceX. They need the engines & systems reliable on the level of jumbo jets, so the only way to get there is to work to get there. And maybe they never get human flight approval, but what about freight? I can imagine the Militaries would be interesting in moving ~20 tons across the globe in an hour.

Oh yeah, freight seems amazing.

 

Imagine buying something from China and getting it delivered to your door in just 2 hours.


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Oh yeah, freight seems amazing.

 

Imagine buying something from China and getting it delivered to your door in just 2 hours.

Would probably cost a few thousand for shipping that fast, but there would be a market for specific shipment lines. I was more thinking along the lines of being able to move various supplies from the Continental USA to any base in the world in an hour. As long as there is a refueling point, that's some impressive logistical strength right there.

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Would probably cost a few thousand for shipping that fast, but there would be a market for specific shipment lines. I was more thinking along the lines of being able to move various supplies from the Continental USA to any base in the world in an hour. As long as there is a refueling point, that's some impressive logistical strength right there.

Fair enough, I think there's a market for that though, and if SpaceX's claim that passenger flights could cost the same as business class in the future, I bet shipping costs through rocket wouldn't be that bad.

 

There are things that you'd pay $100 to get from China in 2 hours. Medical equipment for instance.


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2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Oh yeah, freight seems amazing.

 

Imagine buying something from China and getting it delivered to your door in just 2 hours.

I could definitely see shipping high density luxury items (GPUs & other electronics maybe?) as a potential starting market that will definitely help to improve the technology.  One primary issue would be ensuring that there is either a trade route or return cargo availability.  

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1 minute ago, Energycore said:

Fair enough, I think there's a market for that though, and if SpaceX's claim that passenger flights could cost the same as business class in the future, I bet shipping costs through rocket wouldn't be that bad.

 

There are things that you'd pay $100 to get from China in 2 hours. Medical equipment for instance.

I actually think the Germany-USA shipment line would be the most active for high value products. I also would expect those $100k+ watches to be shipped by Rocket as well.

1 minute ago, WMGroomAK said:

I could definitely see shipping high density luxury items (GPUs & other electronics maybe?) as a potential starting market that will definitely help to improve the technology.  One primary issue would be ensuring that there is either a trade route or return cargo availability.  

Some early engineering samples are already shipped via private jet, so it could happen. We've never had that type of Shipment ability, so we've probably not thought through all of the applications yet. Though I can already see the use in high-end restaurant space. "Our X was flown in from Y this morning! Here's the bill for $500 per oz". 

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12 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I actually think the Germany-USA shipment line would be the most active for high value products. I also would expect those $100k+ watches to be shipped by Rocket as well.

Some early engineering samples are already shipped via private jet, so it could happen. We've never had that type of Shipment ability, so we've probably not thought through all of the applications yet. Though I can already see the use in high-end restaurant space. "Our X was flown in from Y this morning! Here's the bill for $500 per oz". 

Holy shit, fresh fish from Japan at my table in the US? That's something I'd try once if I had the disposable income.


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2 minutes ago, Energycore said:

Holy shit, fresh fish from Japan at my table in the US? That's something I'd try once if I had the disposable income.

Fresh catch from the Tsukiji Fish Market, in Tokyo, in a restaurant in NYC or LA the same day. Stupid expensive, but it would be all the rage in those locations. And Tokyo could get caught-that-day Maine Lobster.

 

I imagine it'll mostly be objects that paying ~1k USD in shipping would be acceptable and the timing matters, but it's potentially something viable and I'm certain the US Military would be really, really interested in buying a few for their own use.

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8 hours ago, Ginger_ said:

In case of emergency your seat will double as a floatation device

Or coffin. More likely to be a coffin.

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