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Is my PC decent all round?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

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AMD A8 7650k Radeon R7, 10 Compute Cores 4C+6G  3.30 GHz

8.00GB RAM DDR3

x64 based processor

GTX 1050

 

I have a problem within gaming. Occasionally i get less than 50fps for a split second and it returns to its high 90's. This happens when i turn around or something, its really irritating and affects my experience. And I get just belove 60fps in high intensive games like battlefield 1 when the server is full. What can I do to achieve 70fps+ in games with low/medium settings?

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what refresh rate is your monitor? There's not much of a point in trying to get 70fps+ if you have a 60hz display since only 60fps will show.


 

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I don't think your issue is frame-rate, more likely an issue with frame timing, so you can render 70-90 frames, then suddenly there is a cache miss, or a draw call with alot of changed objects and suddenly that frame takes a few extra milliseconds.

 

Think of it like this, you are moving along smoothly in your car, then you hit a speed bump. You slow down a little, but are jostled alot by it, but ultimately you are still going about the same speed afterward.

 

In my experience, this kind of sudden minimum frame-rate issue is caused by a CPU bottleneck. You are running a Kaveri APU, which is pretty low on AMD's stack in terms of IPC. So I would imagine that is where you are running into issues.

 

If you really want a better experience, you have a few options, I would recommend:

 

- Lowering your settings so the minimum drops aren't really noticeable.

- using V-Sync to lock the frame-rate to the monitor refresh-rate, as SCGazelle noted above, if you have a 60Hz monitor you don't really need to surpass that frame-rate because your monitor wouldn't be capable of even showing the additional frames. V-sync isn't perfect, but it can help since you aren't going full bore the whole time and the left over power SOMETIMES helps get you through slowdowns.

- Upgrading your platform. Both AMD and Intel have excellent offerings right now. While this option is expensive, you are much more likely to achieve what you are setting out to do.

 

Hopefully that helps. Let me know if you have any questions.


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19 minutes ago, SCGazelle said:

what refresh rate is your monitor? There's not much of a point in trying to get 70fps+ if you have a 60hz display since only 60fps will show.

Dipping below your refresh rate ruins the experience

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1 minute ago, Shylidi said:

 

In my experience, this kind of sudden minimum frame-rate issue is caused by a CPU bottleneck. You are running a Kaveri APU, which is pretty low on AMD's stack in terms of IPC. So I would imagine that is where you are running into issues.

 

I don't really think that it's the APU that's causing troubles. It can't bottleneck a GTX 1050, can it?

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5 minutes ago, CapitalistVN said:

I don't really think that it's the APU that's causing troubles. It can't bottleneck a GTX 1050, can it?

I don't think it's a question of absolute bottlenecking.

 

OP mentioned in their post that their frame drops occur when they suddenly turn around. That causes a ton of objects which are being called to change, the CPU then must all the memory cache for all the relevant objects and their information, it has to grab them all and make draw calls to the GPU. So depending on the game you could absolutely be waiting on the CPU to do it's work. Especially on higher settings.

 

So TLDR, I think it's certainly possible in this case that the CPU is not able to keep up for an instant.

 

I mean, consoles can't keep up at all, and they are running similar CPU's. So it's not outside the realm of possibility.

 

I could totally be wrong though, I'm just sharing what I think is going on.

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Just now, Shylidi said:

I don't think it's a question of absolute bottlenecking.

 

OP mentioned in their post that their frame drops occur when they suddenly turn around. That causes a ton of objects which are being called to change, the CPU then must all the memory cache for all the relevant objects and their information, it has to grab them all and make draw calls to the GPU. So depending on the game you could absolutely be waiting on the CPU to do it's work. Especially on higher settings.

 

So TLDR, I think it's certainly possible in this case that the CPU is not able to keep up for an instant.

 

I mean, consoles can't keep up at all, and they are running similar CPU's. So it's not outside the realm of possibility.

 

I could totally be wrong though, I'm just sharing what I think it going on.

Yeah I do think that it's the CPU that's causing frame rates drop though. But it can also be background tasks that cause the problems as well, they could put too much stress on the CPU and hence cause the frame drops.

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1 minute ago, CapitalistVN said:

Yeah I do think that it's the CPU that's causing frame rates drop though. But it can also be background tasks that cause the problems as well, they could put too much stress on the CPU and hence cause the frame drops.

This!

 

OP, this too. Check system resource use.

 

I don't know how much you know about this, but if you open up Task Manager and close unneeded programs and nonsense like Spotify or iTunes, (Does anyone use that anymore?) You may get better results.

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Those are fairly mid-range specs. You should be able to run stuff just fine at medium-high settings, but don't expect ultra. As for the framerate dips, have you tried enabling vertical sync? That'll make it run much smoother. If not, try increasing the page file size.


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