EVGA.com 600 Watt Power Supply $17.99 US

[BarackOBatman]

$18 plus shipping sounds pretty Ok for a super budget build. 80+ (not even bronze!? AKA 80+ "White")

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-W1-0600-RX

 

DISCLAIMER: This is a B-stock item.

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just gonna mention this to anybody thinking of purchasing this unit, it's a Tier 6 on the PSU tier list:

Tier 6 being just above Tier 7 which is the worst tier

Edited March 21, 2018 by Crunchy Dragon

[Hiitchy]

This isn’t a hot deal, it’s a hot mess waiting to happen.

[Jurrunio]

The whole lineup is garbage. Even EVGA, well known for long warranty period and responsive service, only gives it 3 years FOR A NEW ONE. That tells you a lot about its durability.

 

There's no budget build that will need a 600w PSU. Even 450w ones are overkill.

[Ashiella]

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

The whole lineup is garbage. Even EVGA, well known for long warranty period and responsive service, only gives it 3 years FOR A NEW ONE. That tells you a lot about its durability.

 

There's no budget build that will need a 600w PSU. Even 450w ones are overkill.

My 300$ budget build uses 500w of power, a 30$ gtx 580, and a 25$ x5650 @ 4.5ghz, lets talk.

[sambarr]

Just now, Ashiella said:

My 300$ budget build uses 500w of power, a 30$ gtx 580, and a 25$ x5650 @ 4.5ghz, lets talk.

That's a pretty extreme and uncommon situation though. 

[Ashiella]

Just now, sambarr said:

That's a pretty extreme and uncommon situation though. 

Its not uncommon for those deal hunters on the gull coast.

[sambarr]

Just now, Ashiella said:

Its not uncommon for those deal hunters on the gull coast.

If you say so.

[BarackOBatman]

@Jurrunio @Hiitchy

 

I suggest looking at the JonnyGURU.com Reviews for the lineup then.

 

This guy is ACTUALLY an expert and he gives them pretty good review! I trust this lineup.

 

Here is his review for the 500w model :

 

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=384

 

 

[sambarr]

You could build a 2nd gen Ryzen without a dedicated GPU with a power supply like that.

 

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-review,6.html

 

101 watts tops actually. Not bad. Yeah, potato PSUs are good enough for those.

[BarackOBatman]

A used Price to performance build would do nicely with this. OC'd i7 and GTX 780ti or something similar.

[sambarr]

6 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

A used Price to performance build would do nicely with this. OC'd i7 and GTX 780ti or something similar.

Gotta love the sound of exploding power supplies.

[Blademaster91]

8 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

A used Price to performance build would do nicely with this. OC'd i7 and GTX 780ti or something similar.

I'm not an expert on power supplies but anything overclocked and a GPU that uses more than PCI-E power seems like a really bad idea with that PSU. Spend like $40-50 on a 450w unit as other mentioned,it's not worth cheaping out on anything less to risk your whole PC.

[sambarr]

7 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I'm not an expert on power supplies but anything overclocked and a GPU that uses more than PCI-E power seems like a really bad idea with that PSU. Spend like $40-50 on a 450w unit as other mentioned,it's not worth cheaping out on anything less to risk your whole PC.

EVGA is insane. This 600w is rated at 40 degrees C, while something like this, a Bronze 450W, is rated at 30 degrees. 

 

So the Bronze BT series might actually be just as bad or worse than their cheaper W1.

[Jurrunio]

15 minutes ago, Ashiella said:

My 300$ budget build uses 500w of power, a 30$ gtx 580, and a 25$ x5650 @ 4.5ghz, lets talk.

When talking about budget builds I dont expect Xeons and GTX 580s, more like Ryzen 3 1200 with gtx 960, or i5-2400 with 750ti. I dont think people asking for 'budget gaming rigs' know how to handle old Xeons. Think of it, that's a weird match. The graphics card could have been better, say an HD 7870.

 

20 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

I suggest looking at the JonnyGURU.com Reviews for the lineup then.

This guy is ACTUALLY an expert and he gives them pretty good review! I trust this lineup.

Here is his review for the 500w model :

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story3&reid=384

decent by the standard of 2014. Yeah...

 

A discussion on this particular PSU (even the same wattage) http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12930. Clearly shows that just after a year, it's already on the 'why bother with it' status.

 

I honestly dont know whether the user jonnyGURU here is the same guy on the forums of the same name, but @Stefan Payne is more active and knows a lot on PSU.

 

7 minutes ago, sambarr said:

EVGA is insane. This 600w is rated at 40 degrees C, while something like this, a Bronze 450W, is rated at 30 degrees. 

 

So the Bronze BT series might actually be just as bad or worse than their cheaper W1.

Among EVGA's 80+ Bronze and White rated units, the only one that's ok is the B2. Hardly see that one selling cheaper than the 80+ Gold G2 and G3 though.

 

23 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

A used Price to performance build would do nicely with this. OC'd i7 and GTX 780ti or something similar.

Have you heard of the joke of having a 'cheap and cheerful surgery' from Jeremy Clarkson? Cuz this idea is about as stupid as yours.

[BarackOBatman]

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 

decent by the standard of 2014. Yeah...

 

A discussion on this particular PSU (even the same wattage) http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12930. Clearly shows that just after a year, it's already on the 'why bother with it' status.

 

I honestly dont know whether the user jonnyGURU here is the same guy on the forums of the same name, but @Stefan Payne is more active and knows a lot on PSU.

 

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Have you heard of the joke of having a 'cheap and cheerful surgery' from Jeremy Clarkson? Cuz this idea is about as stupid as yours.

1. Considering 2014 had a lot more demanding power requirements than we do today, I'd say that's pretty good.

 

2. Also, I "Bother with it" today cause its $17.99

 

3. Even LTT recommends JonnyGURU! (Around 2:15)

 

▶ 2:51https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH50aXIz9gM

 

4. You guys keep talking about these things like they're actually going to explode LOL. With zero account of such a thing actually occurring and then Insulting me? I refer to an Expert with major credibility and you cannot deny that... how can you continue to say these things are junk?

[Jurrunio]

24 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

1. Considering 2014 had a lot more demanding power requirements than we do today, I'd say that's pretty good.

 

2. Also, I "Bother with it" today cause its $17.99

 

3. Even LTT recommends JonnyGURU! (Around 2:15)

 

▶ 2:51

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH50aXIz9gM

 

1. power draw isnt the problem, but the way we use it matters. Take for example, group regulated design (old) versus independently regulated design (new). The old one doesnt do well when the 12V rail is heavily used but the 5v rail is lightly used because the same PWM controller has to control the voltage on both at once. This causes the voltage of the 12v rail to dip below spec, but 5v rail going near the upper limit. In the past, the 12v rail was never used as much as they do now so group regulated design has been seen as a cheaper way to build PSU, but modern systems' heavy use on the 12v rail makes the change necessary.

 

2. So you dont get the joke. The point is, being cheap does not compensate for bad performance.

 

3. I'm not saying the review is wrong at that time, but it is outdated today and should no longer be used as reference.

[Stefan Payne]

1 hour ago, BarackOBatman said:

$18 plus shipping sounds pretty Ok for a super budget build. 80+ (not even bronze!? AKA 80+ "White")

 

https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=100-W1-0600-RX

 

DISCLAIMER: This is a B-stock item.

hm, naa, not really.

Just save a bit more for a better unit. It might be OK for an older system like C2D or something like that...

 

 

[BarackOBatman]

9 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

1. power draw isnt the problem, but the way we use it matters. Take for example, group regulated design (old) versus independently regulated design (new). The old one doesnt do well when the 12V rail is heavily used but the 5v rail is lightly used because the same PWM controller has to control the voltage on both at once. This causes the voltage of the 12v rail to dip below spec, but 5v rail going near the upper limit. In the past, the 12v rail was never used as much as they do now so group regulated design has been seen as a cheaper way to build PSU, but modern systems' heavy use on the 12v rail makes the change necessary.

 

2. So you dont get the joke. The point is, being cheap does not compensate for bad performance.

 

3. I'm not saying the review is wrong at that time, but it is outdated today and should no longer be used as reference.

1. What way does this power supply use the power in contrast to new power supplies then? This one no doubt was designed with 12V rail in mind. Pretty sure the difference is power draw (and quality!)

 

2. Read the review. The performance is good, performance is Not Bad. a few percentage points less than 80+ bronze sure, but all that equates to is a few cents maybe off the power bill per month.

 

3. IMO the review is still very relevant. Its not even that old, what makes it outdated? The statistics provided can be replicated to this day.

 

9 hours ago, Stefan Payne said:

hm, naa, not really.

Just save a bit more for a better unit. It might be OK for an older system like C2D or something like that...

C2D?

We're talking about a 600 watt unit from 2013/2014

not 2006/2007!? (C2D Era)

 

Why the "Meh" perspective on the unit?

[Jurrunio]

38 minutes ago, BarackOBatman said:

1. What way does this power supply use the power in contrast to new power supplies then? This one no doubt was designed with 12V rail in mind. Pretty sure the difference is power draw (and quality!)

 

2. Read the review. The performance is good, performance is Not Bad. a few percentage points less than 80+ bronze sure, but all that equates to is a few cents maybe off the power bill per month.

 

3. IMO the review is still very relevant. Its not even that old, what makes it outdated? The statistics provided can be replicated to this day.

1. The target of a PSU is to supply PC components with the correct voltage, and protect them from a power surge. Because of the voltage issue as stated above, group regulated units like this are no good at giving the right voltages, even if they can deliver sufficient power. You see, power equals to voltage multiplied by current. It does not tell whether the voltage delivered is suitable for the components (which it isnt, when it comes to crossload situations which happens a lot in modern systems

 

2. Asbestos is a good material, being fire-proof, cheap, resistant to acid/alkali, grinding and electricity. It's only bad thing is that it causes lung cancer, so it got banned. Similar reason for old PSU designs: Good performance in many tests, but it fails horribly in crossloading. That is enough to send it back to the history books.

 

3. In the PC world, whenever old designs are 'outdated' when a superior design is out, especially when the new one isnt expensive.

[BarackOBatman]

30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

1. The target of a PSU is to supply PC components with the correct voltage, and protect them from a power surge. Because of the voltage issue as stated above, group regulated units like this are no good at giving the right voltages, even if they can deliver sufficient power. You see, power equals to voltage multiplied by current. It does not tell whether the voltage delivered is suitable for the components (which it isnt, when it comes to crossload situations which happens a lot in modern systems

 

2. Asbestos is a good material, being fire-proof, cheap, resistant to acid/alkali, grinding and electricity. It's only bad thing is that it causes lung cancer, so it got banned. Similar reason for old PSU designs: Good performance in many tests, but it fails horribly in crossloading. That is enough to send it back to the history books.

 

3. In the PC world, whenever old designs are 'outdated' when a superior design is out, especially when the new one isnt expensive.

1. It is my understanding that this is NOT a group regulated PSU. This is a modern power supply that was released after Intel's 4th generation of Core I series CPUS.

Also yes.. I understand Ohm's law... I have exceled in my circuits classes and my background is in circuit board assembly manufacturing. We build and test PCBAs.

 

2. Do you have a source to show "Horrible failure" of this unit in crossloading?

 

3. Cant argue with that... Still, id be willing to compromise on a 2013/2014 design rather than the latest and greatest for the sake of price to performance.

[Jurrunio]

8 hours ago, BarackOBatman said:

1. It is my understanding that this is NOT a group regulated PSU. This is a modern power supply that was released after Intel's 4th generation of Core I series CPUS.

Also yes.. I understand Ohm's law... I have exceled in my circuits classes and my background is in circuit board assembly manufacturing. We build and test PCBAs.

 

2. Do you have a source to show "Horrible failure" of this unit in crossloading?

 

3. Cant argue with that... Still, id be willing to compromise on a 2013/2014 design rather than the latest and greatest for the sake of price to performance.

1. In page 3 of the 500w's review:

Quote

Voltage regulation on this unit ranges from excellent to average. This is a group regulated design, which is never going to match something like indy regulation or a newer VRM design in this department, but typically these units do hold one voltage remarkably steady while the others fluctuate. In this case, the shining star is the 5V rail at 0.2%. The other two rails come in at 2.4% and 2.6%.

Dont expect the 600w version of the same lineup to be different in design. Besides, the 600B, which is of similar age and Bronze rated, is also group regulated..

 

2. Also on page 3 and page 4 of the same review, CL1 and CL2 both represent crossloading, CL1 when 3.3v and 5v are heavily loaded, CL2 when only the 12v rail is heavily loaded.

 

3. You dont need the latest and greatest PSU either. There are many units between 'old and outdated' and 'rocket science', like Cooler Master MasterWatt, Corsair CX/CXM... Sometimes 80+ Gold rated units also dip below the $60 mark, like Seasonic Focus Gold, EVGA G2/G3.

[BarackOBatman]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

1. In page 3 of the 500w's review:

Dont expect the 600w version of the same lineup to be different in design. Besides, the 600B, which is of similar age and Bronze rated, is also group regulated..

 

2. Also on page 3 and page 4 of the same review, CL1 and CL2 both represent crossloading, CL1 when 3.3v and 5v are heavily loaded, CL2 when only the 12v rail is heavily loaded.

 

3. You dont need the latest and greatest PSU either. There are many units between 'old and outdated' and 'rocket science', like Cooler Master MasterWatt, Corsair CX/CXM... Sometimes 80+ Gold rated units also dip below the $60 mark, like Seasonic Focus Gold, EVGA G2/G3.

Whelp... its a pretty "Meh" power supply then...

 

Thanks for helping understand this units drawbacks