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Deliding New RPI 3B+

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Recently RPI3 Got an little upgrade with higher clock speed metal heat spreader, some upgrades to wifi bt ethernet etc. But this metal heat spreader got my attention, do you think you can delid it to put your paste? Or even watercool it?

Can linus delid it? ><

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-plus/


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Posted · Original PosterOP
10 minutes ago, Pangea2017 said:

why? my pi3 was at 40°C overclocked to the limit. This was a normal 80W CPU cooler without even using the fan. And this temp was without removing the plastic from the soc.

And why? For fun?


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1 minute ago, Gawron10001 said:

And why? For fun?

there would not be any benefit. Even without deliding the temps will be low. Somebody even overclocked with ln2 a 328p to 65mhz, 8V without removing the plastic around the chip.

 

The pi3+ is nothing more then a small refresh. I would not expect anything new compared to the old pi3. Even the new "gigabit" LAN is not 1gbit/s. They still have the usb 2.0 bottleneck.

 

Next year with the pi4 and a new modern soc things get interesting.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

It is small refresh, gigabit lan if ofc bullshit but 5 ghz in wi fi for example is a hudge difference. Ill have to check on my own. Deliding is just fun idea and i want to test, i respect your opinion, i just think it can make resonable difference

 


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1 hour ago, Pangea2017 said:

Next year with the pi4 and a new modern soc things get interesting.

Maybe one of those ARM CPUs that are coming to laptops, USB 3, and over 1Gb RAM...

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2 hours ago, Gawron10001 said:

Recently RPI3 Got an little upgrade with higher clock speed metal heat spreader, some upgrades to wifi bt ethernet etc. But this metal heat spreader got my attention, do you think you can delid it to put your paste? Or even watercool it?

Can linus delid it? ><

https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b-plus/

Buy one, try it and report back


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16 minutes ago, Crunchy Dragon said:

Maybe one of those ARM CPUs that are coming to laptops, USB 3, and over 1Gb RAM...

I think usb 3, faster wifi and gigabit lan is safe. A faster processor and 2gb ram would make the pi even more a office pc or server. I have trouble using the power of the pi 3 beside server use and for those things i don't need the gpio. For most embeded projects/mods a ESP or STM32F1 are a good choice.

RAM market will tell if they can include 2GB. 

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Just now, Pangea2017 said:

I think usb 3, faster wifi and gigabit lan is safe. A faster processor and 2gb ram would make the pi even more a office pc or server. I have trouble using the power of the pi 3 beside server use and for those things i don't need the gpio. For most embeded projects/mods a ESP or STM32F1 are a good choice.

RAM market will tell if they can include 2GB. 

I have some trouble even web browsing on 1Gb of RAM, I even emailed the creators suggesting that more RAM would be a nice addition since 1Gb really isn't much.

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Web browsing on a RaspPi is merely a plus. I don't think the point of it is to be a super low-cost computer (even though it can be used for that).

 

The neat thing about the Pi for some projects is that you can put an OS on it, while at the same time allowing you the same facilities as any other MCU board. So you do not even need an IDE. Or even an app to do something like poke a GPIO line, you can do it directly from the command line. It's a tinkerer's board, nothing more. Anything else it does is a plus.

 

Also @ the OP, it's $35. If you had any interest in the RasPi, I'm sure you could spare $35 for a curiosity.

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It is possible to delid the pi3 B+. This guy managed to get not only the heat spreader out but tore down the entire chip :0

 

But yeah, the stock heat spreader is good enough on the new model. 

 

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The normal Pi 3 you could OC the base 800mhz to 1450mhz and the GPU to 500mhz and plus 100mhz on the sdram. With a tiny heat sink it wouldn’t break 60C so a delid pointless


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On 3/16/2018 at 8:19 AM, Gawron10001 said:

Recently RPI3 Got an little upgrade with higher clock speed metal heat spreader, some upgrades to wifi bt ethernet etc. But this metal heat spreader got my attention, do you think you can delid it to put your paste? Or even watercool it?

Find someone with a very powerful front lit microscope, and have them delid it and photograph it.

Be warned, this may not return a working pi.


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8 hours ago, straight_stewie said:

Find someone with a very powerful front lit microscope, and have them delid it and photograph it.

Be warned, this may not return a working pi.

Any link?


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1 hour ago, Gawron10001 said:

Any link?

https://zeptobars.com/en/support-us

That's the only one I know of that wants examples of new hardware. Be aware that I was mostly joking (you definitely won't get the thing back), and that they are in Moscow. As far as I can tell, however, there are no die shots of the Broadcom BCM2837B0. 


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Here's an image of the die and heat spreader: pi-3b-plus-small-6-2.jpg

I didn't think the die was that large. The solder TIM and aluminum heat spreader will aid overclocking results and thermals.

 

To answer the original question, it is very possible to delid a Raspberry Pi Model 3B+. The die is soldered to the heat spreader (like AMD chips) so you will need a heat gun and a spudger. ifixit.com has some good tools.


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On 3/19/2018 at 10:30 PM, LOOK OVER HERE said:

To answer the original question, it is very possible to delid a Raspberry Pi Model 3B+. The die is soldered to the heat spreader (like AMD chips) so you will need a heat gun and a spudger. ifixit.com has some good tools.

After reading the pimoroni topic again http://blog.pimoroni.com/a-deep-dive-into-the-raspberry-pi-3-b-hardware/, I've determined that no, the heatspreader is NOT soldered to the die. The die is soldered to an interposer pcb, which is then BGA soldered onto the main Pi. The IHS has a ring of silicone adhesive and thermal paste between the die and the spreader itself.

 

When my pi comes in, I'll be delidding it and posting it here on this site. I'll try to document the entire process.

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