Folding Community Board

[Favebook]

13 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

It’s just that a) I don’t like to have to micromanage, I’m donating my computers SPARE power, and I shouldn’t have to wait for a WU to finish before I, say, start playing a game or let a family member use the computer.

You do not have to finish the WU before playing a game. During folding months, I play the game and fold in same time with rather small fps drop and semi drop of PPD.

13 hours ago, rkv_2401 said:

b) I would find it demotivating if a person with a 2080Ti’s contribution was 1000x more valuable than mine with a 940M, and then there are slower GPUs and CPUs that only produce 3000-5000PPD. It begs the question, what’s the point of stressing out my hardware (and paying the electricity costs) if someone’s contribution (in processing the exact same WU - the 940M received the same 1174x series WUs, with the same base credit, as my 1060 and the rest of us did in March) is 1000x-10000x more valuable than mine? 

If you do not like how point system work, there is no point discussing it here and how it could be changed and if (and/or how) is it flawed; instead, just go to BOINC and use their system if you don't like F@H.

 

Also, old gear SHOULD give (much) less ppd, since technology advances every year and every generation SHOULD be much better than previous, therefore PPD must and will be much better.

 

There is no point in joining with 20x of old laptops if one new AMD CPU can beat that by x factor. And it's a rather smart system that F@H made.

[rkv_2401]

10 hours ago, Favebook said:

If you do not like how point system work, there is no point discussing it here and how it could be changed and if (and/or how) is it flawed

 

Isn't that the point of an online forum? To host discussions? 

I never suggested a change, and in fact addressed why I think it's a good system too. Just voicing out my reasons as to why I don't, personally, follow it too seriously.

10 hours ago, Favebook said:

There is no point in joining with 20x of old laptops if one new AMD CPU can beat that by x factor. And it's a rather smart system that F@H made.

I thought that points didn't matter, and it's the science that counts. Even they say it's just a system to incentivize competition.

Also, following that train of thought, anyone who doesn't have a 1060 or faster should just not contribute. I'm sure that's not what they're going for.

19 hours ago, mattheginger said:

I understand the efficiency argument, but surely that's not Fah's main concern. Maximal computing power should be. Not everyone is an enthusiast who's going to upgrade their hardware for the purposes of this contribution. 

 

When I began contributing at the end of 2018, I had an HD7870 which has roughly a fifth of the raw compute performance of a 2070s, and yet it only gets around 5% of the points that the 2070s does, for the most part because of the quick return bonus. Cards like that hold valuable compute power that could be harnessed, but the points system makes them appear nearly worthless.

 

A 1050Ti has a third the compute power of my 2070s, but only pulls a 7th (~250k PPD) of the points... etc... That's a power efficient card, and yet people may be discouraged from using it. I acknowledge the purpose of a QRB, but it just seems to distort everything in it's overkill nature.

 Yep. Exactly. Efficiency is more the donator's concern. And the power efficient 1050Tis, mobile 1060s, etc. are discouraged anyway. 

[Kilrah]

Well I would not recommend folding on a mobile GPU because they commonly have bad cooling anyway, and the fact that a failing GPU on a laptop condemns the whole machine...

[mattheginger]

1 hour ago, rkv_2401 said:

Yep. Exactly. Efficiency is more the donator's concern. And the power efficient 1050Tis, mobile 1060s, etc. are discouraged anyway. 

Yup. For most contributors, the decision will be whether they contribute or not, and changing hardware to suit F@h won't even be a consideration.

[marknd59]

Maybe Linus didn't mess up the server build after all linus1 has now been up and running for a month none stop. 

[TVwazhere]

On 7/17/2020 at 3:55 PM, Kilrah said:

Again some WUs are small, so you can/could rack up a high WU count with comparatively little work.

Can confirm. 

 

I've been running beta WU's since April or May, and I recently got 16600 WU's. My PPD has not changed (omiting the issue last week) but I'm completing more WU's. 

This is because the WU's tend to scale with difficulty relative to how many points they give. Sometimes it's a better or worse ratio from one project to another, but in this case it's basically linear. 

[viming_aint_easy]

Has anyone had any experience with folding with both AMD GPUs and Nvidia GPUs on the same machine - specifically on Linux?  I there may be a possibility that I could obtain a 2070 super in the near future, but if I can avoid having to build a whole desktop just for the card, that would be my preferred option.

[Favebook]

12 hours ago, viming_aint_easy said:

Has anyone had any experience with folding with both AMD GPUs and Nvidia GPUs on the same machine - specifically on Linux?  I there may be a possibility that I could obtain a 2070 super in the near future, but if I can avoid having to build a whole desktop just for the card, that would be my preferred option.

On Windows it works fine as long as you got newer drivers for both cards. Not sure how it works on Linux though.

[Zberg]

 

Slowly approaching legendary status!

[OIIOOIOI]

On 7/21/2020 at 3:45 AM, viming_aint_easy said:

Has anyone had any experience with folding with both AMD GPUs and Nvidia GPUs on the same machine - specifically on Linux?  I there may be a possibility that I could obtain a 2070 super in the near future, but if I can avoid having to build a whole desktop just for the card, that would be my preferred option.

I use my 2070super and my Vega64 (both on same mainboard) under windows 10 pro , runs fine with newest drivers. With Ubuntu it should run fine, too. What i saw was that on my old board with pci-e 3 -16 and the fx8500 the diference between both cards was ~10% , with new mb with pci-e 4-16 and ryzen 3900 it is ~ 20% the 2070s is faster. This means, if you have an old system 2015 or older you may not profit as much from your new 2070super as you may on a new system. (both cards are in a fully conected 16x slot) .

 

On 7/20/2020 at 8:53 AM, mattheginger said:

Yup. For most contributors, the decision will be whether they contribute or not, and changing hardware to suit F@h won't even be a consideration.

Well, i think so. I well picked some graphic cards on E-b*y to feed my now "old" fx8500 system for crunching and to ad a 3rd card to my "new" ryzen 3900-system. I found out that the market prices on e-b*y are reflecting the prozessing power to each other at used cards. I was looking for low energy cards wich dont need extra power but get along with max 75 Watts TDP. This cards are : Geforce 750, 1050, 1650 and the TI and super variant(s) of it. As i sayed , the price reflects the crunchpower and as a result of this its best to add the 1650 (super if you can grab one used) cause the tdp is same 75w as 1050TI uses, but you need two 1050TI for same crunching power wich results in 150W tdp than. I managed to grab two 1650 and one 1050TI in a week for good price at least. ON THE OTHER HAND : Points dont reflect this , two 1050TI wont give you same points as one 1650super will give you, this is the speed result bonus (regardless if F@H or BOINC, but at F@H its a bigger difference) . And yes, my 2070super kicked out 1200 points in a time my Vega64 just kicked out 850  .... and this at a diference of 10% of time (measured on my old system). Therefore, BOINC is more "fair" to mid and low range cards while F@H "overvalue" high end cards. BUT this discussion is as old as crunching projects are, i know this discussions since years (former in BOINC Forums) and lets say : "Points" are a beauty giveaway for the crunchers to measure each other ant to see you did something....but thats it. The real meaning of what we do is to help scientists at the work they do and make this work possible. It doesnt realy matters how much "Points" you get as long as they get the results in time - this is all what matters. Happy crunching folks

[viming_aint_easy]

1 hour ago, OIIOOIOI said:

I use my 2070super and my Vega64 (both on same mainboard) under windows 10 pro , runs fine with newest drivers. With Ubuntu it should run fine, too. What i saw was that on my old board with pci-e 3 -16 and the fx8500 the diference between both cards was ~10% , with new mb with pci-e 4-16 and ryzen 3900 it is ~ 20% the 2070s is faster. This means, if you have an old system 2015 or older you may not profit as much from your new 2070super as you may on a new system. (both cards are in a fully conected 16x slot) .

Awesome.  I'm running a ROG STRIX X570-F, so I should be good on the PCI bandwidth front.  Thanks!

[marknd59]

14M PPD with a 2060 ????  I think something is amiss here

 

 

[Favebook]

9 minutes ago, marknd59 said:

14M PPD with a 2060 ????  I think something is amiss here

 

 

Prime example of moonshot WU.

[GOTSpectrum]

2 minutes ago, Favebook said:

Prime example of moonshot WU.

I'm curious of what it will actually award tbh

[marknd59]

4 minutes ago, GOTSpectrum said:

I'm curious of what it will actually award tbh

19:22:51:WU00:FS01:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
19:22:51:WU00:FS01:Final credit estimate, 143699.00 points
19:22:51:WU00:FS01:Cleaning up

 

 

3 mins to go 

Edited July 25, 2020 by marknd59
I screwed up that was the other GPU that just finished

[Kilrah]

lol, 1000% of average.. that's gonna skew the stats a little

[marknd59]

The right points - 

 

19:31:20:WU01:FS02:Upload complete
19:31:20:WU01:FS02:Server responded WORK_ACK (400)
19:31:20:WU01:FS02:Final credit estimate, 404503.00 points
19:31:20:WU01:FS02:Cleaning up

[MISTERDIEABETIC]

If you look at most of the top producers stats for yesterday, there was a massive increase in point production between 12PM & 9PM on the 25th (yesterday) Naturally I didn't even get one of those workunits, so mine is pretty average. But look at the hourly points for the entire LTT team for yesterday. 
 

[Gorgon]

11 hours ago, MISTERDIEABETIC said:

If you look at most of the top producers stats for yesterday, there was a massive increase in point production between 12PM & 9PM on the 25th (yesterday) Naturally I didn't even get one of those workunits, so mine is pretty average. But look at the hourly points for the entire LTT team for yesterday. 
 

Typically we see this when the F@H people get around to awarding points missed due to collection server issues.

[TVwazhere]

18 hours ago, yaboistar said:

death stranding is gonna take a while to download, i'll make best use of the time for y'all

He bac

 

For only about two hours

[RollinLower]

50 minutes ago, chrebean1 said:

Hello, guys 'n' gals. I recently defected from another team, and chose your team, due to Linus' honest product reviews in the past. I have two rigs with NVidia 2070s that do the heavy lifting, folding-wise. Keeping the faith as medical science hurries to find a cure for the current epidemic.

welcome! we're always happy with a new member. those 2070's should make short work of most WU's. good stuff!

[GOTSpectrum]

1 hour ago, chrebean1 said:

Hello, guys 'n' gals. I recently defected from another team, and chose your team, due to Linus' honest product reviews in the past. I have two rigs with NVidia 2070s that do the heavy lifting, folding-wise. Keeping the faith as medical science hurries to find a cure for the current epidemic.

Welcome to the team!!!!!

 

You'll slot right in! 

[marknd59]

1 hour ago, chrebean1 said:

Hello, guys 'n' gals. I recently defected from another team, and chose your team, due to Linus' honest product reviews in the past. I have two rigs with NVidia 2070s that do the heavy lifting, folding-wise. Keeping the faith as medical science hurries to find a cure for the current epidemic.

Welcome aboard don't forget to signup for 2020 folding month when it starts you can win prizes. 

[explosivetnt]

Wait, what is a folding month?

[GOTSpectrum]

1 minute ago, explosivetnt said:

Wait, what is a folding month?

Its an annual event we run here on the forum.

 

Much like our other folding events only longer, bigger and better!