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this is why when i have stuff from amazon or any online shipping place i use Ship to "current " "resident " have fun NY state getting anything from that person . (they will try this i know anything to fill the confers) . really makes no sense order the same thing twice in a week and one gets charged tax other doesn't but both come from the same location . will laugh if newegg (Connecticut state)  sends me that letter already know what im going back instead . before anyone gets the wrong idea its only liquid ass . 


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2 hours ago, Eaglerino said:

Dear dog, 20%? My state's sales tax is 4%

there are no states collecting taxes in the UK or most of the world. The government collects them. Then again he can go to a hospital in the UK and doesn't have to sell his house to pay for a broken nose. By no means am i saying this or that is right or wrong, only that they are very different realities. 


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1 minute ago, asus killer said:

there are no states collecting taxes in the UK or most of the world. The government collects them. Then again he can go to a hospital in the UK and doesn't have to sell his house to pay for a broken nose. By no means am i saying this or that is right or wrong, only that they are very different realities. 

That's... what? literally has nothing to do with my surprise of 20% sales tax

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1 minute ago, Eaglerino said:

That's... what? literally has nothing to do with my surprise of 20% sales tax

if in a country you have free wealthcare and in another you don't, it's easy to comprehend one needs to collect more taxes than the other. Nothing in this world is free, if it is, someone is actually paying for it. That was my point.


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1 minute ago, asus killer said:

if in a country you have free wealthcare and in another you don't, it's easy to comprehend one needs to collect more taxes than the other. Nothing in this world is free, if it is, someone is actually paying for it. That was my point.

i don't know how you're spinning this into a healthcare argument but I admire that capability

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1 minute ago, Eaglerino said:

i don't know how you're spinning this into a healthcare argument but I admire that capability

i was not, it was an example. I clearly stated that my point was they are very different realities. Still the example looked to me as relevant, fell free to disagree.


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12 minutes ago, asus killer said:

there are no states collecting taxes in the UK or most of the world. The government collects them. Then again he can go to a hospital in the UK and doesn't have to sell his house to pay for a broken nose. By no means am i saying this or that is right or wrong, only that they are very different realities. 

We pay for healthcare separate to tax, every month we pay National Insurance on our wages and that is supposed to pay for healthcare.


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1 minute ago, Eaglerino said:

i don't know how you're spinning this into a healthcare argument but I admire that capability

It's not a healthcare argument, he just used healthcare as an example.

 

You made the comment it was high and compared it your states tax of 4%.  The natural conclusion is that you don't understand the reason behind it seeming high.  I think the response was fair.  I don't know if it is completely accurate, but it is a good example of why taxes would be higher in the UK. Suffice to say that Taxes in the US are generally lower and as a consequence you have less government services.  


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1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

We pay for healthcare separate to tax, every month we pay National Insurance on our wages and that is supposed to pay for healthcare.

 

And that's how it works on the books,  but the reality is that money probably comes from the VAT as well.  Just like we pay for roads through a petrol excise but only few % of that excise actually get spent on roads, the rest goes into other projects.


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1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

We pay for healthcare separate to tax, every month we pay National Insurance on our wages and that is supposed to pay for healthcare.

don't know the specifics of your country, don't even know what your country is, but if it's like mine, the operative word is "supposed". 

 

 


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11 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It's not a healthcare argument, he just used healthcare as an example.

 

You made the comment it was high and compared it your states tax of 4%.  The natural conclusion is that you don't understand the reason behind it seeming high.  I think the response was fair.  I don't know if it is completely accurate, but it is a good example of why taxes would be higher in the UK. Suffice to say that Taxes in the US are generally lower and as a consequence you have less government services.  

I list one tax, and my surprise at the difference. Pretty sure the NHS isn't funded on sales tax

Then there's a jump and trashing of US's health care

I don't really see how that jump was made, but it doesn't matter. I guess I'll sit here alone in my surprise at people having to pay 200 pounds extra if they spend 1000 pounds somewhere. Since 200 pounds is almost 300 dollars... that'd cover me for 3 months for health insurance

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1 minute ago, mr moose said:

 

And that's how it works on the books,  but the reality is that money probably comes from the VAT as well.  Just like we pay for roads through a petrol excise but only few % of that excise actually get spent on roads, the rest goes into other projects.

Yeah I know, hence the "supposed to" :P


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3 minutes ago, asus killer said:

don't know the specifics of your country, don't even know what your country is, but if it's like mine, the operative word is "supposed". 

 

 

The way the NHS is right now I can pretty much guarantee they're taking money from other sources.

 

It's frankly getting rediculous, we have migrants coming here just to get free hospital treatment meanwhile people wait an hour for an emergency ambulance, people are being left for days in corridors because there is no free beds, doctors and nurses literally don't have enough time in the day to see and treat all their patients properly and people are dying because they're not getting the care they've paid for all their lives.

 

Still that's a topic for another day.


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5 hours ago, airdeano said:

you'll wanna check with your state/county tax departments as here in arkansas it is publically unknown, but there is a small snippet in the tax code of the state which states all residences are responsible for all state taxes of purchased goods, regardless of sales origin.

so yes, you'd include it in any tax filing with the state/county treasurer.

walmart and amazon are next, watch.. they've been fighting this for a bit and not winning.

Connecticut has no county government, so the county level isn't important. Same with Rhode Island and 8/14 Massachusetts counties. So, if you live in CT, RI or anywhere in MA that isn't Norfolk, Bristol, Plymouth, Barnstable, Dukes or Nantucket County, check with the state treasurer. Anywhere else tho (including those 5 counties I named), check with the county treasurer as well.

 

On that matter, this only seems to affect CT. MA doesn't enforce online sales tax, so I don't think it'll happen here, but I'll keep an eye out in case the Bristol County (or Massachusetts) treasurer comes after me and my family. We, uh, make a lot of online purchases to try avoiding sales tax these days ^^;


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9 hours ago, RKRiley said:

I still get confused by taxes in the US lol, why don't you just pay them automatically(included in the price) on goods?

Like here in the UK, anything you buy the price already has the 20% tax accounted for.

 

Or am i missing the point and that's what Newegg should have been doing anyway, but they failed to do so?

Taxes are different everywhere across the US. They're decided by both the state and city, as a portion goes to each.  If I go to my local Best Buy and get something, the sales tax will be 8.375%.  If I go to one about 30 minutes farther, the tax will be a little bit different.  Best Buy doesn't want to manage individual prices for each location.  It's confusing, and also not great for business.  It's easier to just set a nation-wide price, and have a computer work up the sales tax by location.


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4 hours ago, wcreek said:

But Connecticut seems like a greedy state so it doesn't surprise me.

 

3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

Seems like a lot of effort for basically chump change in the grand scheme of things. Also I think Newegg could have at least let customers know they were either forced to comply or that they were ratting them out, bad move all around from everybody.

CT screwed themselves royally a while ago and are now desperate for revenue.

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After some rough years in the 70s and 80s while their legacy manufacturing and fishing industries dramatically contracted, and 10 years where their core insurance and financial services industries had plateaued; Connecticut went through a huge economic boom in  the mid 90s (as with most of the country, but as a percentage more than anywhere other than MA, CA and TX)



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In response to this, the state and local governments very rapidly spent...not just their increased revenue... but decades worth of future revenue as well.

They made revenue and growth assumptions, based on continued growth at that explosive boom rate; creating legislation and programs that depended it... and worse, taking on HUGE amounts of debt, with the assumption that it would be easily paid back with future revenue growth.

At the same time, they made regulations that made it much more difficult and expensive to do business in the state... Because, after all, business was booming, and they could afford it, right?

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Basically, the entire states primary industries and major private sector employers; failed, contracted dramatically, fled the state, or got special considerations which made them revenue neutral (or even net negative due to state spending or subsidy commitments).

Between this and the collapse of consumer spending, small business failures and contraction, high unemployment, and all of the other ripple effects; Connecticut's economy has contracted by between 11% and 15% overall from its peak in 2006-2008 (depending on how you calculate it and  whose numbers you believe).

That's the worst in the country by a large margin by the way.

The picture is much worse when you look exclusively at the private sector economy, which has contracted over 20% (it may be more than 25% or even more depending on whose estimates you believe)

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21 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

The way the NHS is right now I can pretty much guarantee they're taking money from other sources.

 

It's frankly getting rediculous, we have migrants coming here just to get free hospital treatment meanwhile people wait an hour for an emergency ambulance, people are being left for days in corridors because there is no free beds, doctors and nurses literally don't have enough time in the day to see and treat all their patients properly and people are dying because they're not getting the care they've paid for all their lives.

 

Still that's a topic for another day.

i got trashed because  of the wealthcare example, but i don't even especially agree with the European model we have. Still the US model is worst. There should be some middle ground between the 2 in my opinion.


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33 minutes ago, Eaglerino said:

I list one tax, and my surprise at the difference. Pretty sure the NHS isn't funded on sales tax

Then there's a jump and trashing of US's health care

I don't really see how that jump was made, but it doesn't matter. I guess I'll sit here alone in my surprise at people having to pay 200 pounds extra if they spend 1000 pounds somewhere. Since 200 pounds is almost 300 dollars... that'd cover me for 3 months for health insurance

Again, there was no jump or argument, you expressed surprise and added a comparison, in such circumstances an explanation is not uncommon.  Not sure why that is hard to understand, it's not like he started pontificating about the virtues of said healthcare.  would you be up in arms if he had used some other government agency like the army as the example?


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10 hours ago, RKRiley said:

I still get confused by taxes in the US lol, why don't you just pay them automatically(included in the price) on goods?

Like here in the UK, anything you buy the price already has the 20% tax accounted for.

 

Or am i missing the point and that's what Newegg should have been doing anyway, but they failed to do so?

Because then they couldn't advertise a lower price.


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2 hours ago, Trik'Stari said:

Because then they couldn't advertise a lower price.

I will say this, as an Indiana resident, as soon as newegg started charging sales tax like Amazon, I literally bought 95% less shit on newegg. Amazon is cheaper with better customer service. 


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8 hours ago, wcreek said:

TAXATION IS THEFT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Well I mean it is...

 

But Connecticut seems like a greedy state so it doesn't surprise me.

 

CT might have some rule that allows them to tax any goods that are shipped into the state. Hopefully MNDOR (Minnesota Department of Revenue) gets any bright ideas and decides to subpoena Newegg or Valve.

 

Wonder if the DRS is looking into B&H too lol.

Minnesota does have use tax but I don't think they will do the same. I remember a having a conversation with my sister who is an accountant about use tax. She says that hardly anyone reports it even though you technically should but also hardly anyone is auited for it either.

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10 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

Minnesota does have use tax but I don't think they will do the same. I remember a having a conversation with my sister who is an accountant about use tax. She says that hardly anyone reports it even though you technically should but also hardly anyone is auited for it either.

I hate the idea of a use tax. Either tax me for the sale or don't. 


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7 hours ago, Eaglerino said:

Dear dog, 20%? My state's sales tax is 4%

But you have to remember, we pay one consolidated tax of 20%. Thats it! no federal, state, interstate mobo jumbo tax etc etc

 

also, we have free healthcare which our tax pays for. 


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America and their 9 million taxes to keep track of... Jeez

1 minute ago, Ben Quigley said:

But you have to remember, we pay one consolidated tax of 20%. Thats it! no federal, state, interstate mobo jumbo tax etc etc

 

also, we have free healthcare which our tax pays for. 

Shit I pay 17.5% in VAT


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I really don't like the argument that all internet sales should have sales tax, I like the idea of location based- like a warehouse in state or something. But I get the argument for it- that the former makes it harder for local business to compete, I can see that. I tell you what worries me is fucks that are like "X is located in our state and make most of their sales out of state, therefore tax them". They try to get company specific taxes (wrong) and the idea that there's some that want a sales tax on the way out AND the way in pisses me off. Like if I buy something from cali, they want to collect sales tax, in Cali, for the sale, so I'm paying double sales tax.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think taxation is theft. It's theft when it's not enforced fairly and it's theft when your effective tax rate (not just income, like total percentage of money that goes to state or fed) is more than half. Hell I think much more than a third is wrong, but it's not a perfect world. Figure out how to use it, never take more. I certainly think states should get sales tax revenue over shit like for profit prisons and some areas having ridiculous traffic ticket quotas, etc. There are some that would rather us drive on dirt roads as long as we have traffic lights and as much as I'd like an excuse to drive to work with muddin tires, I'd rather pay newegg 7-8%. Has anyone seen the potholes by Indianapolis on 69 lately? It's almost Michigan down there. 


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