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Car Enthusiast Club [Now Motorcycle friendly!] - First thread to 100k! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

26 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Don't lump me in with them. I'm an enthusiast of mechanic design, be it engines, weaponry, or productive machinery. Not a guy with a wrench that reads the marketing garbage AFE/insert other "enthusiast" brand that can't legally warranty half of their products.

 

I fail to see a correlation between people screeching variations of "forced induction is more efficient!!! Reclaimed energy!!!" and anything I've said.

If you can't be civil. Please leave

 

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Just now, RorzNZ said:

I guess I should sum it up like you can’t replace a wagon with a truck

Well what can you do with a wagon that I can't do with my truck..?


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6 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Well what can you do with a wagon that I can't do with my truck..?

Ease of parking, milage, be lower on the ground. People will most likely look at crossovers as the new wagons and buy those instead. Not that any of those reasons matter wagons and trucks are just built to do different things. 

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2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Ease of parking

I have zero issues parking anywhere, even downtown.

2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

milage

That doesn't detract from vehicle utility, however, don't buy something you can't afford to run and maintain.

3 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

be lower on the ground

How is that more utility compared to a truck?

4 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

People will most likely look at crossovers as the new wagons and buy those instead. Not that any of those reasons matter wagons and trucks are just built to do different things. 

You still haven't answered my question. What can't I do that a wagon can?


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24 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I have zero issues parking anywhere, even downtown.

That doesn't detract from vehicle utility, however, don't buy something you can't afford to run and maintain.

How is that more utility compared to a truck?

You still haven't answered my question. What can't I do that a wagon can?

Well at a loss here but wasn’t what I was trying to say in the first place lol. Be a Subaru I guess.

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14 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Well at a loss here but wasn’t what I was trying to say in the first place lol. Be a Subaru I guess.

So wagons are better than trucks, but you can't tell me why.


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10 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

So wagons are better than trucks, but you can't tell me why.

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19 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

So wagons are better than trucks, but you can't tell me why.

Well simple, they're not as common or popular so obviously they're superior!

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4 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Mostly use for towing and 4x4 really not to load with heaps of stuff. Also to look like I have a massive johnson

I load the bed of my truck with crap regularly, since my parents are constantly buying new shit, the old shit gotta go somewhere.


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1 hour ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Such as?

Well with a truck you load it with whatever and go wherever you want. I use my truck to bring sheep to different places in the back and move stuff in the trailer etc. In a wagon this would just not work at all. 

 

With a wagon its better for cruising around town, you can get into any carpark you want and better for the milage. I don't really like wagons so IDK, but I'm sure people like to race them or the look or something too. 

 

24 minutes ago, Cereal5 said:

I load the bed of my truck with crap regularly, since my parents are constantly buying new shit, the old shit gotta go somewhere.

Thats a ute though, not like in the trunk. 

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2 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

With a wagon its better for cruising around town, you can get into any carpark you want and better for the milage. I don't really like wagons so IDK, but I'm sure people like to race them or the look or something too. 

You can do that with a truck too. The sole reason I still have a Dodge Dakota, instead of selling it and just driving my Ram 2500, is because the Dakota is as easy to park as a large car, small SUV, crossover, station wagon (which is the same thing as a crossover, just older marketing). If I swapped the V8 Magnum out, I could also get vastly better mileage.

 

But I don't hold the V8 magnum against the Dakota and small pick'em ups as a class, because it's a relatively bad engine design and choice that only serves to give it the same towing capacity as some proper half tons of similar release years.


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16 hours ago, techswede said:

I can almost guarantee that those covers are illegal. 

In most places anything that obscures your license plate in any way is illegal. That includes those covers (That are mostly used to fool speed cameras)

Can you *get away with it*. Probably. Until a cop spots the plastic over your license plate. 

Thanks for the tip. Better safe than sorry, I guess.

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6 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Well what can you do with a wagon that I can't do with my truck..?

Find a parking space in a European city, get good gas mileage, keep the things I'm transporting dry when it rains, go round corners ...

 


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7 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I have zero issues parking anywhere, even downtown.

That doesn't detract from vehicle utility, however, don't buy something you can't afford to run and maintain.

How is that more utility compared to a truck?

You still haven't answered my question. What can't I do that a wagon can?

Without wanting to join an argument to which is better or not that's an easy question to answer .......driver experience, some people will pay to have a sporty driver experience that they can use daily.


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4 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Such as?

I'd love to own a truck if it was electric and still decently capable, the more fuel efficient wagon + renting a trailer is my pick when it's gas/diesel powered.

 

Most trucks being pretty high I would see as a bit of a problem when loading stuff and when you don't want whatever you are loading to get wet a wagon again is a good choice but you could also carry a tarp everywhere if you can bother with that. 

 

I can't really say how much of a problem these are having not owned one but those are the ones I see myself. Owning a truck or a ute would be great for my bike when I need to drag that around or help friends with theirs but a wagon and a trailer also does that


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3 hours ago, sirtoby said:

Find a parking space in a European city, get good gas mileage, keep the things I'm transporting dry when it rains, go round corners ...

 

You can do all of those things with a truck. Just don't buy a formal half ton like an F150 or Ram 1500, or larger.


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in my eyes, if I need a truck for something, I can go rent one from uhaul for not a lot of money

guess it just depends on how often you need one


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5 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

With a wagon its better for cruising around town

Irrelevant to utility

 

you can get into any carpark you want

In the US, where things are designed around actually being able to use the vehicles here, you do not have that problem in a truck

 

and better for the milage.

Irrelevant to utility

 

I don't really like wagons so IDK, but I'm sure people like to race them or the look or something too. 

 

4 hours ago, sirtoby said:

Find a parking space in a European city, get good gas mileage, keep the things I'm transporting dry when it rains, go round corners ...

As I said above, in the US where things are designed around the vehicles we have here, that's not an issue. Gas mileage is irrelevant to utility. You must not know about cabs and bed caps:

 

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And if you think I can't go around a corner you'll be in a *world* of surprise of things you can do in a truck.


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1 hour ago, bcredeur97 said:

in my eyes, if I need a truck for something, I can go rent one from uhaul for not a lot of money

guess it just depends on how often you need one

I use the bed often enough it's worth owning one and not dealing with a place like uhaul. And I don't care about gas mileage in the first place even though it could be much, much worse.


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5 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

And if you think I can't go around a corner you'll be in a *world* of surprise of things you can do in a truck.

Kinda have to concede that this is more VEHICLE dependant and not vehicle TYPE dependant. My Dakota can't corner worth shit relative to its size. 


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honestly i would love wagons to become popular in america someday, but at the same time, I don't bash trucks because they do have their uses here in the states, and it's kinda been part of the culture here for decades. so i would prefer a wagon for daily driving, but i wouldn't count out owning a truck either. just so long as it's a toyota truck. ? 


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Just now, Drak3 said:

Kinda have to concede that this is more VEHICLE dependant and not vehicle TYPE dependant. My Dakota can't corner worth shit relative to its size. 

I'd have to say yes and no. While yes it may not be good at it like a sports car, people would be surprised that you can fling basically anything around a corner as long as it doesn't oversteer to all hell.


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1 minute ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I'd have to say yes and no. While yes it may not be good at it like a sports car, people would be surprised that you can fling basically anything around a corner as long as it doesn't oversteer to all hell.

You can't fling this truck around Jupiter, it has a horrible turning radius.


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Everybody turns to dust.

 

Everybody turns to dust.

 

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