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[MadyTehWolfie]

Just now, TVwazhere said:

I believe currently it's a GTI, she used to have the V6 (or ecoboost, cant remember). 

Ecoboosts, since I got the gti my dad took that car and the payments. Also I'll be getting new spark plugs ect when they do the work. Basically a full tune up and mods.

[TVwazhere]

2 minutes ago, MadyTehWolfie said:

Ecoboosts, since I got the gti my dad took that car and the payments. Also I'll be getting new spark plugs ect when they do the work. Basically a full tune up and mods.

FMIC will get you to stage 3?

[bcredeur97]

5 minutes ago, vinyldash303 said:

20 horse got your clutch to slip? Laaaamme

they do say the stock clutch is more economy car-esque rather than sports car-esque. and the pedal lightness out of the box certainly matches that claim.

 

 

I may get another OE clutch and just get an ACT pressure plate this time. Heavier pedal, but same engagement. should hold better probably...

[AlwaysFSX]

35 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Note to self: 

 

20 more horsepower from Japanese engine sounded great.

 

that is until 5k miles later you go to pass someone on a highway and get clutch slip. 

 

Suddenly the smile turns to a frown, real quick.

 

 

i never even thought about that being an issue...not once did it cross my mind

Hook your foot under the clutch pedal and pull it towards you

 

[bcredeur97]

8 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Hook your foot under the clutch pedal and pull it towards you

 

-snip-

if only it worked that way.

It only seemed to slip because it like didn't get a chance to "bite". If you're already at 4k rpm and floor it then it's fine, but if you downshift and quickly floor it, it slips.

 

either way I guess I need to just drive conservatively until I can knock out a clutch job over a weekend once I decide what I'm going to do about it...

 

and I wanted to do suspension this spring *cries*

[vetali]

44 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

Note to self: 

 

20 more horsepower from Japanese engine sounded great.

 

that is until 5k miles later you go to pass someone on a highway and get clutch slip. 

 

Suddenly the smile turns to a frown, real quick.

 

 

i never even thought about that being an issue...not once did it cross my mind

that thing is broken more than a VAG product.

[bcredeur97]

12 minutes ago, vetali said:

that thing is broken more than a VAG product.

maybe. at least all the fixes cost 1/10th of the price of the fixes for said broken VAG product lol

[JokerProduction]

12 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

if only it worked that way.

It only seemed to slip because it like didn't get a chance to "bite". If you're already at 4k rpm and floor it then it's fine, but if you downshift and quickly floor it, it slips.

 

either way I guess I need to just drive conservatively until I can knock out a clutch job over a weekend once I decide what I'm going to do about it...

 

and I wanted to do suspension this spring *cries*

Careful driving to much with a slipping clutch thats a quick way to ruin a flywheel.  Its always recommend to machine/ resurface the flywheel anyway when you change out the clutch but depending on what machine costs where you live might just be better to buy a flywheel along with the new clutch kit.  When I redid the clutch in my first car the machine costs where just as much as a 2piece fidanza lightweight flywheel so I went that route.  Honestly that is probably one of the most noticeable mods I ever did and I think it often gets over looked.  Although In my case the fidanza was 7.5lbs and the factory was 21lbs so it was a huge difference.  sure It doesn't add any noticeable gains to the peak HP on a dyno graph but the driveabilty from the faster revs is sure noticeable.

[bcredeur97]

4 minutes ago, JokerProduction said:

Careful driving to much with a slipping clutch thats a quick way to ruin a flywheel.  Its always recommend to machine/ resurface the flywheel anyway when you change out the clutch but depending on what machine costs where you live might just be better to buy a flywheel along with the new clutch kit.  When I redid the clutch in my first car the machine costs where just as much as a 2piece fidanza lightweight flywheel so I went that route.  Honestly that is probably one of the most noticeable mods I ever did and I think it often gets over looked.  Although In my case the fidanza was 7.5lbs and the factory was 21lbs so it was a huge difference.  sure It doesn't add any noticeable gains to the peak HP on a dyno graph but the driveabilty from the faster revs is sure noticeable.

I have a lightweight flywheel that I just bought 5k miles ago along with a new excedy OE clutch

 

lol. And it's only slipped under power... and only once.

 

 

and you fail to mention the increased NVH that comes with a lightweight flywheel, which I also had to learn about when I got mine. slight rattle at idle, increased idle dips, particularly when approaching a stop if you put in the clutch pedal at say, 2k rpm, it drops so fast that it goes below idle speed for a second. And also when coasting they cause an interesting deceleration noise.

[JokerProduction]

2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

I have a lightweight flywheel that I just bought 5k miles ago along with a new excedy OE clutch

 

lol. And it's only slipped under power... and only once.

Ahh i should of read a bit closer I assumed it was slipping because it was worn out not because of the HP increase.  Although the fact you do have a lightweight flywheel is more of a reason to change that clutch out as the one downside to lw flywheels is that they are even more prone to warping.

 

I was also in almost the exact same boat as I put a exedy clutch kit on with the LW flywheel but then came into some money and like any respectable 18 year old would I immediately bought this beast with supporting mods to replace the factory turbo. 

 

 

 

Needless to say the clutch didn't handle the almost double horsepower and had to be changed out for a act2600 and 6puck.

[chaozbandit]

 

[bcredeur97]

1 minute ago, JokerProduction said:

Ahh i should of read a bit closer I assumed it was slipping because it was worn out not because of the HP increase.  Although the fact you do have a lightweight flywheel is more of a reason to change that clutch out as the one downside to lw flywheels is that they are even more prone to warping.

 

I was also in almost the exact same boat as I put a exedy clutch kit on with the LW flywheel but then came into some money and like any respectable 18 year old would I immediately bought this beast with supporting mods to replace the factory turbo. 

 

-snip-

 

Needless to say the clutch didn't handle the almost double horsepower and had to be changed out for a act2600 and 6puck.

to me if you have to go to a crazy hard to drive clutch for a daily driver then whatever you are doing isn't worth it.

Talking to people on the miata forum, it seems it's more likely my clutch I have is defective. It should hold the 130whp ish I have just fine. and being it doesn't slip very much (it's not like the engine is going to redline with the clutch out lol, it's just a ever so slight slip) that seems to me like that's believable.

So while I could probably swap it out for a stock clutch again and be fine... I just want to be safe. I'm ok with a little heavier pedal but I don't want anything crazy

[AlwaysFSX]

2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

to me if you have to go to a crazy hard to drive clutch for a daily driver then whatever you are doing isn't worth it.

Talking to people on the miata forum, it seems it's more likely my clutch I have is defective. It should hold the 130whp ish I have just fine. and being it doesn't slip very much (it's not like the engine is going to redline with the clutch out lol, it's just a ever so slight slip) that seems to me like that's believable.

So while I could probably swap it out for a stock clutch again and be fine... I just want to be safe. I'm ok with a little heavier pedal but I don't want anything crazy

See what you need to do is buy a RHD Miata with the same setup, and have ridiculously heavy clutches in both. Then switch which one you drive every day so you never skip leg day.

[bcredeur97]

4 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

See what you need to do is buy a RHD Miata with the same setup, and have ridiculously heavy clutches in both. Then switch which one you drive every day so you never skip leg day.

isn't the clutch pedal always your left foot though? lol

[AlwaysFSX]

1 minute ago, bcredeur97 said:

isn't the clutch pedal always your left foot though? lol

I didn't think about that.. Reverse the setup.

[terrytek]

1 minute ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I didn't think about that.. Reverse the setup.

That's one way to mess up your driving. Would be like trying to write left handed after writing right handed for 25 years.

[JokerProduction]

2 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

to me if you have to go to a crazy hard to drive clutch for a daily driver then whatever you are doing isn't worth it.

Talking to people on the miata forum, it seems it's more likely my clutch I have is defective. It should hold the 130whp ish I have just fine. and being it doesn't slip very much (it's not like the engine is going to redline with the clutch out lol, it's just a ever so slight slip) that seems to me like that's believable.

So while I could probably swap it out for a stock clutch again and be fine... I just want to be safe. I'm ok with a little heavier pedal but I don't want anything crazy

Ya I meant to put that sentiment in my post as well.  Going to the heavy clutch on a DD is not the greatest move.  In my case  though it wasnt my DD as I had a winter beater.  Even going to a big dry turbo like that would suck for a DD.  Adds a ton of lag and always having to let it cool down before shutting the car off kinda sucked.  I eventually installed a turbo timer.

 

I actually had a 95 miatia for awhile but never really had time to get into it as I had the opportunity to trade for a Japanese 92 MR2  so I hopped on that as the MR2 has always been a dream car of mine...  Ironically enough its sitting in my driveway needing a clutch now...

Just now, AlwaysFSX said:

See what you need to do is buy a RHD Miata with the same setup, and have ridiculously heavy clutches in both. Then switch which one you drive every day so you never skip leg day.

 

RHD still has the pedals the same orientation  the only thing that is really opposite is the damn wipers and the signal lights....

[JokerProduction]

2 minutes ago, terrytek said:

That's one way to mess up your driving. Would be like trying to write left handed after writing right handed for 25 years.

Honestly driving a RHD here in north america is no big deal at all and people really over-exaggerate the difference.  I can spot a new RHD driver because they will be crowding the center line.  A veteran RHD is also easy to spot because they will be very close to the curb. Oh and the slanted license plate that all JDMs seem to get because only one bolt hole lines up.

 

What really is a mindf*ck is though is going and driving a RHD on RHD roads after a lifetime here in north america (even with years of driving a RHD here) that requires rewiring your brain since everything is backwards.

[AlwaysFSX]

11 minutes ago, JokerProduction said:

the only thing that is really opposite is the damn wipers and the signal lights....

Really? That'd probably mess with me more.

[techswede]

2 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

Really? That'd probably mess with me more.

Only thing that bothered me was left turns and overtaking.

Actually felt a bit more natural to shift with my left hand

[AlwaysFSX]

10 minutes ago, techswede said:

Only thing that bothered me was left turns and overtaking.

Actually felt a bit more natural to shift with my left hand

I can't left hand shift, it just doesn't work for me most of the time.

[terrytek]

So kinda on clutch talk, what I wanna know is why a 6 puck clutch can handle more power than a std. street clutch. I don't understand how a multi puck handles more because it has less surface area compared to a street clutch so i thought it wouldn't be able to grab as well.

[AlwaysFSX]

6 minutes ago, terrytek said:

So kinda on clutch talk, what I wanna know is why a 6 puck clutch can handle more power than a std. street clutch. I don't understand how a multi puck handles more because it has less surface area compared to a street clutch so i thought it wouldn't be able to grab as well.

More surface area to grip I assume.

[terrytek]

1 minute ago, AlwaysFSX said:

More surface area to grip I assume.

Which one? Because a 6 puck in no way has more surface area than a street disc.

[AlwaysFSX]

4 minutes ago, terrytek said:

Which one? Because a 6 puck in no way has more surface area than a street disc.

 

I'm willing to measure the area out of multiple disks versus a single disk.