Car Enthusiast Club [Now Motorcycle friendly!] - First thread to 150k! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[AlwaysFSX]

3 hours ago, IPD said:

VTEC will never give the performance of twin-scroll turbo.

.................what does that have to do with anything?

[vetali]

56 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

.................what does that have to do with anything?

We were discussing vtec with twin scroll turbos right before being interrupted by an impulsive pointless debater.

[-rascal-]

Soon

 

[AlwaysFSX]

13 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

Soon

 

 

First thing that came to mind is the people loading cargo wrong and breaking their glass like this

[vetali]

11 minutes ago, AlwaysFSX said:

First thing that came to mind is the people loading cargo wrong and breaking their glass like this

When I had my civic I loaded an engine hoist in it. Was a big fear of mine lol.

[Fast_N_Curious]

 

At least you can stay warm during the winter months. 

[Bitter]

Ah yes, gasoline cars never ever catch fire either...riiiiiiiiiight....

[IPD]

30 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Ah yes, gasoline cars never ever catch fire either...riiiiiiiiiight....

To be fair, car-B-que is almost always a truck that's been beat to hell for 30 years, or some ungodly expensive exotic made by italians that was engineered poorly (eg. Ferrari).

 

It doesn't happen to 5 year old Ford Fusions as a general rule.

[theninja35]

4 hours ago, IPD said:

To be fair, car-B-que is almost always a truck that's been beat to hell for 30 years, or some ungodly expensive exotic made by italians that was engineered poorly (eg. Ferrari).

 

It doesn't happen to 5 year old Ford Fusions as a general rule.

https://www.motorsafety.org/gm-issues-second-recall-for-chevrolet-silverados-and-gmc-sierras-over-fire-risk/ 2017-2019 Duramax trucks recalled for fire risk.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/gm-recalls-1-4m-older-vehicles-fire-risk-after-earlier-n452361 1.4 million 1997-2004 models recalled for fire risk.

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/280000-hyundai-kia-vehicles-are-recalled-fears-catching-fire-parked-rcna44409 2020+ Hyundai/Kias.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a41053106/ford-expedition-lincoln-navigator-fire-recall/ 2015-2017 Expedition/Navigators.

That one time that dude caught his Demon on fire: https://www.motor1.com/news/276844/dodge-demon-catches-fire-hell/

 

Like you said, it's down to poor engineering or manufacturing defects, but EVs aren't the only cars that suffer from those problems.

[IPD]

You can also mitigate most of the issues with an IC engined vehicle catching fire--if you have a fire extinguisher.  The danger is only present when the engine is hot /has been running.

 

An EV can catch fire any time the battery packs decide they aren't going to abide normal operating principles.  And good luck trying to extinguish it when that happens.  That's why virtually every Tesla fire has been a total loss--rather than something contained to the engine bay and requiring a rebuild in that area alone.  Not too long ago there was a story about a Tesla that kept igniting itself in a junkyard, and they had to actually leave the car submerged to keep it from doing that.

[Fast_N_Curious]

3 hours ago, IPD said:

You can also mitigate most of the issues with an IC engined vehicle catching fire--if you have a fire extinguisher.  The danger is only present when the engine is hot /has been running.

 

An EV can catch fire any time the battery packs decide they aren't going to abide normal operating principles.  And good luck trying to extinguish it when that happens.  That's why virtually every Tesla fire has been a total loss--rather than something contained to the engine bay and requiring a rebuild in that area alone.  Not too long ago there was a story about a Tesla that kept igniting itself in a junkyard, and they had to actually leave the car submerged to keep it from doing that.

Yes right on the money. We need to do more research and spend time familiarizing ourselves with Tesla/EV battery fires, because they can be very difficult to put out. Case in point:

 

An electric car fire is like 'a trick birthday candle' — and a nightmare for firefighters (yahoo.com)

 

 

 

Heretofore electric cars will be referred to by a new name. Trick Candles. 

[Bitter]

Most new cars are total losses when they catch fire, rarely have I seen a car fire where there was any way to repair the vehicle for less than the cost of replacing the vehicle. I've done wire harness replacements on 2 vehicles that had wire harness fire/melting and both cars were so old that there wasn't an equivalent vehicle to replace them with (late 80's Ford LTD and early 90's Cutlass Calais). Any other vehicle I've seen with fire damage was just immediately written off because it's a headache and liability for the insurance company  much like flood damage. If a car fire hits the gas tank it will go up very similarly to a battery fire with the exception that fire crews are better versed in handling fuel fires. As BEV's become more wide spread so too will the ability to fight the inevitable fires that take place.

[Bitter]

Chad size intake pipe.

 

[Fast_N_Curious]

5 hours ago, Bitter said:

Ah yes, gasoline cars never ever catch fire either...riiiiiiiiiight....

The ratio of cars that actually catch fire is much higher with an EV.

 

Major risk factors. Batteries can also explode, wouldn't want to go through something like that sitting atop a potentially unstable battery. Just look at the 787 Dreamliner. 

 

5 minutes ago, Bitter said:

Chad size intake pipe.

 

 

Twins

 

 

[Fast_N_Curious]

 

The battery that grounded Boeing (cnn.com)

The battery fires have the potential to bring down a full loaded airliner as well. 

 

 

 

[AlwaysFSX]

2 hours ago, IPD said:

IC engined vehicle

I feel like there's an easier way to say this but it's on the tip of my brain

 

scratches chin

[Bitter]

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The result? Hybrid-powered cars were involved in about 3,475 fires per every 100,000 sold. Gasoline-powered cars, about 1,530. Electric vehicles (EVs) saw just 25 fires per 100,000 sold.

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/

3 hours ago, Fast_N_Curious said:

The ratio of cars that actually catch fire is much higher with an EV.

You're sure about this? I think it's that you hear about it more because they're the new thing.

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According to a recent report from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), vehicle fires accounted for 15% of the 1.4 million fires that took place in the US in 2020, and those fires contributed to 18% of civilian deaths and 11% of the civilian injuries. EV fires? About 0.02% of the US fire total.

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/

 

https://www.renolon.com/electric-car-fire-statistics/ Some more bigger numbers here, looks like overall car fires are trending downward despite more cars being on the road driving more miles. I think we can thank tighter government involvement with forcing recalls for that.

[Bitter]

3 hours ago, Fast_N_Curious said:

 

The battery that grounded Boeing (cnn.com)

The battery fires have the potential to bring down a full loaded airliner as well. 

 

 

 

So can bad software, weather, pilot error, bird strike, etc. All are far more likely to be an issue than a backup battery pack. Boeing made a poor choice in chemistry using a lithium cobalt oxide battery, a chemistry that's never been used in automotive. I'd say the root cause of the Boeing fires was a lack of tighter FAA oversight in the design of the plane because I can't fathom that the engineering team at Boeing didn't recognize the risk but chose it because of the cost, weight, and packaging savings of a higher density battery pack. How that danger slipped through the cracks I don't know but the FAA is too buddy-buddy with the airline industry it's designed to oversee.

[bcredeur97]

mechanical things catch on fire occasionally. that's news? 

That's just a cost we accept. And insure ourselves for lol. If you want to go back to horse and buggy, be my guest. I'll take my slight risk of fiery death in exchange for getting somewhere a bit quicker and easier.

[Bitter]

26 minutes ago, bcredeur97 said:

mechanical things catch on fire occasionally. that's news? 

That's just a cost we accept. And insure ourselves for lol. If you want to go back to horse and buggy, be my guest. I'll take my slight risk of fiery death in exchange for getting somewhere a bit quicker and easier.

I bet buggies had fires too, lamps and friction. Barns catch fire a lot, maybe horses are arsonists.

 

BOSH! CARRIAGE FIRE. SUCK IT!

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/social-relevance/video-grooms-horse-carriage-catches-fire-556855.html

[IPD]

4 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I feel like there's an easier way to say this but it's on the tip of my brain

 

scratches chin

Immigration and Customs Enforcement?

[Fast_N_Curious]

4 hours ago, Bitter said:

So can bad software, weather, pilot error, bird strike, etc. All are far more likely to be an issue than a backup battery pack. Boeing made a poor choice in chemistry using a lithium cobalt oxide battery, a chemistry that's never been used in automotive. I'd say the root cause of the Boeing fires was a lack of tighter FAA oversight in the design of the plane because I can't fathom that the engineering team at Boeing didn't recognize the risk but chose it because of the cost, weight, and packaging savings of a higher density battery pack. How that danger slipped through the cracks I don't know but the FAA is too buddy-buddy with the airline industry it's designed to oversee.

Yeah they did the same thing with the rear cargo door on the DC-10. A couple serious and deadly crashes occurred because the door would sometimes not fully close but could still be locked into place with enough force that the light would go off and everything would appear sound and locked.... At higher altitudes the door would simply give out and you would have a terrible and rapid decompression. When this happened, the floor would buckle and sever control lines going to the rear engine and the wings, elevators and tail. The "gentlemen's" agreement was that McDonnell Douglas would fix the doors over the coming months instead of grounding the entire fleet of DC-10s to have the rear cargo door fixed before it caused another crash. They never did. Consequently, this decision led to horrific loss of life on a Turkish Airlines DC-10. I think for a number of years it was the most lethal accident in aviation history, nobody survived, obviously. But the sub-contractor who actually built the door is who I blame the most. Talk about a flimsy design, it's no wonder that Convair cooked it up and probably cut corners as much as they could to maximize profits. Never liked Convairs airplanes or their attributes.

[bcredeur97]

random weird question; has anyone ever tried putting a (hydraulic) torque converter instead of a clutch in front of a manual transmission? 

[Fast_N_Curious]

2 hours ago, Bitter said:

I bet buggies had fires too, lamps and friction. Barns catch fire a lot, maybe horses are arsonists.

 

BOSH! CARRIAGE FIRE. SUCK IT!

https://www.indiatimes.com/trending/social-relevance/video-grooms-horse-carriage-catches-fire-556855.html

LOL but this should be slightly safer:

 

 

Obligatory car on fire picture 

 

 

[Fast_N_Curious]

6 hours ago, AlwaysFSX said:

I feel like there's an easier way to say this but it's on the tip of my brain

 

scratches chin

ICE