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This is a NUCLEAR BOMB !!! Ryzen 2600 gets 17% single core performance boost

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Only 17%? Pfff, wake me up when they can achieve 50% performance increase YoY


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1 hour ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Yeah right.

Why are people falling for this? It's not going to get 17% more performance whether it's single or multicore. At best it's going to be maybe 5% faster, maybe.

Depends on what you mean but the new process node grants 10% higher performance on its own (if GloFo can deliver). Architecturally don't expect much and whatever gains are probably workload dependent. Overall expect 8-15% depending on benchmarks and clock speed. However don't trust this benchmark.

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1 hour ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Yeah right.

Why are people falling for this? It's not going to get 17% more performance whether it's single or multicore. At best it's going to be maybe 5% faster, maybe.

My money is on 7-8% average real world gains (expecting as high as 10-11% in bench marking).  You can quote me on that.   Looking at passmark figures (because they're all in one spot) you can see at least a 10% improvement with each new generation.


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Because overhyped AMD hardware never turned out to be false advertisement, fake, flat out lies or restricted to a single bench with a single setting that would never be used in real use cases. Seriously, whenever it comes to AMD they push the hype to no end and never even once managed to actually show the same numbers later on.

 

Not that i don't HOPE it is true. I definitely do.

The past just showed that AMD and hype don't go well together. 

 

Unless Steve benchmarks it, i don't buy the hype even for a split second. 

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1 hour ago, Rattenmann said:

Because overhyped AMD hardware never turned out to be false advertisement, fake, flat out lies or restricted to a single bench with a single setting that would never be used in real use cases. Seriously, whenever it comes to AMD they push the hype to no end and never even once managed to actually show the same numbers later on.

 

Not that i don't HOPE it is true. I definitely do.

The past just showed that AMD and hype don't go well together. 

 

Unless Steve benchmarks it, i don't buy the hype even for a split second. 

well amd has been really quiet about new products ever since vega was released, they aren't hyping anything, this article is exaggerated as all it shows is 200mhz uplift from the 1600, but writers have to get their clickbait in there, you can't blame amd for that, if we filter that we can get a good idea of how the product might be.

 

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1 hour ago, mr moose said:

My money is on 7-8% average real world gains (expecting as high as 10-11% in bench marking).  You can quote me on that.   Looking at passmark figures (because they're all in one spot) you can see at least a 10% improvement with each new generation.

i myself believe it will be around 9-13% because of the more complex boosting algo which on lightly threaded benchmarks should help keep clocks a bit higher, plus the memory improvements

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4 hours ago, Energycore said:

Because everything is meaningless #edgy

 

No but I think what they meant is that they're not as reliable as a benchmark / have less credibility than something like say, Cinebench or Futuremark.

I think it's more the argument of synthetic benches being pointless compared to real world benches.


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Higher clock speed + improved IMC and fine tuned infinity fabric for lower latency?

... probably no IPC improvements.


 

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6 hours ago, Ryan_Vickers said:

Because it's unattainable on current Ryzen and they're not changing it that much ... at least that's what I've heard.

 

6 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Zen+ was always going to have a bump in clocks so if this means 17% extra perf at the same power consumption or 17% higher clocks (i.e. we can now overclock to 4.5GHz+) or a mixture of higher perf and lower power consumption then we should get excited otherwise if its just higher stock clocks, it is nothing really interesting.

 

AMD says they are tweaking the IMC for lower latency , among other things . That could potentially bring improvements despite the same core

 

 

6 hours ago, RotoCoreOne said:

Ill wait for actual results rather than leaks. Don't get your hopes up and buy into any hype lol

Sure these are leaks . But Zen + is scheduled for april . Leaks this close to launcg tend to be fairly accurate

6 hours ago, NvidiaIntelAMDLoveTriangle said:

Yeah right.

Why are people falling for this? It's not going to get 17% more performance whether it's single or multicore. At best it's going to be maybe 5% faster, maybe.

12LP brings >10% clock speed imrpovements on its own...


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7 hours ago, Rakanoth said:

Why is Geekbench meaningless? :S

I've gone into great details over this in the past. Rather than repeat that, I'll provide the mountain of evidence from my previous posts:

Basically, the TL:DR is, Geekbench is not reliable because it only grabs DMI strings for CPU speeds, not the actual clock speeds. This means you cannot know the CPU clock speed or memory clock speed, so it's impossible to directly compare scores from one Geekbench result to another, let alone extrapolate that data to compare against another benchmark or any real life workloads.

 

7 hours ago, Energycore said:

Because everything is meaningless #edgy

 

No but I think what they meant is that they're not as reliable as a benchmark / have less credibility than something like say, Cinebench or Futuremark.

Very rarely would I consider information "meaningless", but with Geekbench, it tends to be the case. Unless you happen to see the bench be ran with your own eyes to see the clock speeds beforehand, you will never truly know the results, lol. I really wish it was similar to CPU-Z, and would grab current clock values during the sysinfo part of the benchmark. 


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7 hours ago, Mr.Meerkat said:

Zen+ was always going to have a bump in clocks so if this means 17% extra perf at the same power consumption or 17% higher clocks (i.e. we can now overclock to 4.5GHz+) or a mixture of higher perf and lower power consumption then we should get excited otherwise if its just higher stock clocks, it is nothing really interesting.

It's hard to say with AMD. What I would hope is that they've tweaked manufacturing and improved yields and binning so that more of the chips clock higher without needing higher voltages.

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i'm pretty sure glofo's 14nm FINFET was actually 20nm level FinFET

 

It's probably just glofo moving to actual 12/14nm


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lol, the hype. By the time most of us on current Ryzen actually needs an upgrade, the gen at the time will destroy Zen+. See ya in 3ish years when I upgrade again for some mad gainz bro.


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7 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

lol, the hype. By the time most of us on current Ryzen actually needs an upgrade, the gen at the time will destroy Zen+. See ya in 3ish years when I upgrade again for some mad gainz bro.

Sadly AMD's track record suggests that by the time they change sockets you won't want to upgrade to what they're offering.

I REALLY REALLY hope that isn't what happens, but until they pull off another Athlon 64/Opteron gambit, I won't trust them to deliver.

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7 hours ago, JDE said:

i'm pretty sure glofo's 14nm FINFET was actually 20nm level FinFET

 

It's probably just glofo moving to actual 12/14nm

Well, that's not true. 12nm is a small update. A move from 20nm to 14nm would be big. 12nm is 10% performance and 15% area. That's hardly even a half node.

 

Since the process is licensed from Samsung you're essentially saying Samsung is also on 20nm. Then comes the implication that TSMC is in the same ballpark which would also mean 20nm for them. That's one big rabbit hole you've created.

 

Then there's the fact that nm terminology is so arbitrary at this point that it's just a name and not much of an indication of silicon size.

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5 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Then there's the fact that nm terminology is so arbitrary at this point that it's just a name and not much of an indication of silicon size.

That's why I created this comment in the first place.


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This is probably just a result of higher stock clock speeds. I would be surprised if the 2600 overclocks past 4.1 or 4.2 GHz.


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Cute geekbench scores.  I'm betting Zen+ will just be higher base clocks...and maybe a slightly higher OC capability.  EIther way...let me know when AMD has something in the geekbench 6.5k+ or Cinibench 220cb single core range.


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Is Ryzen 2000 silicon done at TSMC or GLOFO?

Somewhere I heard that they switched to TSMC but I am not sure.


 

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1 hour ago, WereCat said:

Is Ryzen 2000 silicon done at TSMC or GLOFO?

Somewhere I heard that they switched to TSMC but I am not sure.

GloFo. Someone may have gotten it mixed up because TSMC also has a 12nm process or because they may switch some of their GPU designs back to TSMC.

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