It's not just gamers that can't get Graphics cards, it's scientists as well.

[bcredeur97]

1 hour ago, Brooksie359 said:

Yes they could but it wouldn't make sense tbh. Nvidia is likely ramping down production for then new gpu release while amd doesn't manufacture their own chips so they might not have had enough control to ramp up production.

i think the price rise has more to do with this than miner demand.... 

miner demand is pretty consistent. and we consistently had GPU's for a decent price for a while. It's only this year it got crazy. 

[GloriousPain]

>Inb4 'just let the gamers have their cards' or similar.

[Bananasplit_00]

1: why not get quadros to begin with? 

2: seriously, our radio signals haven't gotten anywhere interesting yet, what are they expecting to hear? A reply from someone that dosent know we even exist? 

[mr moose]

This reminds me of a few years back when a few scientists were explressing there concerns about the reserves of helium.  They were upset it was being wasted on party balloons when it was desperately need for research.  Being lighter than everything except hydrogen when released it floats of into the atmosphere from there it can actually escape gravity.

 

But fear not, just like Helium I am sure they will find a new natural reserve somewhere of 1080ti's or vega's. 

[grimreeper132]

 

7 hours ago, LtStaffel said:

What do they want to learn from that radiation that is more helpful than folding proteins?

we can learn a lot about our universe, galaxy and even our own solar system, here's just 5 examples https://sciencing.com/top-discoveries-made-radio-telescopes-7566858.html

[asus killer]

what we need is more gpu manufacturers, just 2 is not enough because there is a increasingly use for graphics cards by all sorts of scientists and businesses.

 

Another thing is that they are apparently using gamers graphic cards (they mention 500$ cards) and that may also explain the problem, this guys should be buying quadros not rx's or gtx's. I guess nvidia/amd would react different to increase demand for professional cards and at least they wouldn't be part of the problem.

It seems everyone is using gamers graphic cards for other uses this days and by the hundreds, no wonder this is all messed up.

 

 

[grimreeper132]

Just now, asus killer said:

what we need is more gpu manufacturers, just 2 is not enough because there is a increasingly use for graphics cards by all sorts of scientists and businesses.

 

Another thing is that they are apparently using gamers graphic cards (they mention 500$ cards) and that may also explain the problem, this guys should be buying quadros not rx's or gtx's. I guess nvidia/amd would react different to increase demand for professional cards and at least they wouldn't be part of the problem.

It seems everyone is using gamers graphic cards for other uses this days and by the hundreds, no wonder this is all messed up.

 

 

that's not going to happen because of patents, same with CPUs for you to get into that business you would need to get access to the instruction sets that AMD and intel own, and I would imagine it's the same with GPUs

[grimreeper132]

1 hour ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

1: why not get quadros to begin with? 

2: seriously, our radio signals haven't gotten anywhere interesting yet, what are they expecting to hear? A reply from someone that dosent know we even exist? 

I imagine because quadros cost too much, and they have found some intresting and somewhat important stuff, the wow signal, and also many other here's 5 https://sciencing.com/top-discoveries-made-radio-telescopes-7566858.html

 

36 minutes ago, mr moose said:

This reminds me of a few years back when a few scientists were explressing there concerns about the reserves of helium.  They were upset it was being wasted on party balloons when it was desperately need for research.  Being lighter than everything except hydrogen when released it floats of into the atmosphere from there it can actually escape gravity.

 

But fear not, just like Helium I am sure they will find a new natural reserve somewhere of 1080ti's or vega's. 

the helium fear is a real one, which will be solved pretty easily I would imagine, if they ever get nuclear fusion working properly

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, grimreeper132 said:

I imagine because quadros cost too much, and they have found some intresting and somewhat important stuff, the wow signal, and also many other here's 5 https://sciencing.com/top-discoveries-made-radio-telescopes-7566858.html

 

the helium fear is a real one, which will be solved pretty easily I would imagine, if they ever get nuclear fusion working properly

Apparently they have discovered a very large field that will supply current demand for a significant time.

 

[Sauron]

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Scientists listening out for broadcasts by extra-terrestrials

Well I can think of more important research that we could be missing out on...  (I'm kidding guys chill)

 

Either way this obviously isn't good, I hope manufacturers put in some special deals for researchers so that at least they can always get the hardware they need even if at an inflated price.

5 hours ago, Mooshi said:

I have a hard time believing scientists are going after 1060's at markup for their type of research. 

They're looking for the higher end cards, but the problem is not the price, it's the availability.

5 hours ago, BuckGup said:

But they could still ramp it up a bit. The demand has faded but they could have easily flooded the market a month ago and sitll made money. Still though people would buy GPUs

They couldn't know for sure that demand wouldn't drop in a matter of days. They've been burned in the past. They'd rather keep a steady production, knowing they'll sell everything, than overproduce.

[Thony]

Warning !!! Next few paragraphs might trigger some people. This is my own opinion, dont be offended please.

 

So what were they doing last year when new hardware got released ?

 

I dont see why they wouldnt buy new tech when it came out. The stock back then was lacking at first but a month later it it was all good before Bitcoin crazyness. 

 

They talk about the pricing now when new gen is around the corner. Pfff I dont feel sorry for them at all. I highly doubt the tech they have is so outdated that they cant do their work properly. 

 

I will be cheering if this pushes nvidia and amd to relsease more cards and make the market great again, otherwise its w/e.

[RagnarokDel]

17 minutes ago, Thony said:

So what were they doing last year when new hardware got released ?

Maybe they didnt have budget for it.

[GoldenLag]

18 minutes ago, Thony said:

Warning !!! Next few paragraphs might trigger some people. This is my own opinion, dont be offended please.

 

So what were they doing last year when new hardware got released ?

 

I dont see why they wouldnt buy new tech when it came out. The stock back then was lacking at first but a month later it it was all good before Bitcoin crazyness. 

 

They talk about the pricing now when new gen is around the corner. Pfff I dont feel sorry for them at all. I highly doubt the tech they have is so outdated that they cant do their work properly. 

 

I will be cheering if this pushes nvidia and amd to relsease more cards and make the market great again, otherwise its w/e.

wouldnt someone who is going for server farm style computing only go for blower style coolers? Couldnt they strike deals with manufacturers to allow them to take all of the stock of blower style cards? (offcourse at a little premium, because they will aboiusly want to create many expencive cards to maximize profits from mining rush)

[SpaceGhostC2C]

9 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

It's not just gamers that can't get Graphics cards

One market, one price, one supply. I don't see how the identity of the buyer would make any difference, so... obviously, I guess?  

 

2 hours ago, Bananasplit_00 said:

1: why not get quadros to begin with? 

That's like paying mining-craze prices without any mining craze needed, except worse. No one in their right mind would buy FirePros and especially Quadros unless they need any of the driver-locked features.

[grimreeper132]

4 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

One market, one price, one supply. I don't see how the identity of the buyer would make any difference, so... obviously, I guess?  

because you only ever hear the gamers complaining, unless your looking at the BBC which means it is only heard of until it affects science

[leadeater]

10 hours ago, grimreeper132 said:

That being said I am surprised they don't have/can't get a direct connect with nVidea for these sales

The is one of the best ways to get it if you can't for some reason, get some press going and hey look Nvidia just offered to sort the issue out.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

 

But fear not, just like Helium I am sure they will find a new natural reserve somewhere of 1080ti's or vega's. 

[asus killer]

25 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

One market

that's not true. Quadros and gtx are not on the same market.

[grimreeper132]

14 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The is one of the best ways to get it if you can't for some reason, get some press going and hey look Nvidia just offered to sort the issue out.

I suppose that is true, especially if you get press that don't understand the problem. 

[miagisan]

10 hours ago, LtStaffel said:

Is this a joke? Who needs GPUs to listen for extra terrestrial broadcasts, and better yet, what is their scientific evidence that such broadcasts have the potential to happen? What are the chances of it happening?

A grant sounds good to help scientists do really good stuff like find a cure for canc----no, they're listening to space with radios... Maybe the grant should go to folding@home instead?

+1

You are kidding right? Most astronomical "listening" and "observing" are almost never done using audio or visual observations. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

8 minutes ago, asus killer said:

that's not true. Quadros and gtx are not on the same market.

And? THe title, which I quoted, is about gamers and scientists (buyers), not GTX and Quadros (products). And the article refers to mining, so we are talking about scientists and gamers trying to buy GPUs used by miners.

It's very much true.

[randomhkkid]

Also computer scientists. Major headache trying to acquire card for Deep Learning at the moment. Trying to do a thesis here 

[asus killer]

3 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

And? THe title, which I quoted, is about gamers and scientists (buyers), not GTX and Quadros (products). And the article refers to mining, so we are talking about scientists and gamers trying to buy GPUs used by miners.

It's very much true.

they shouldn't be buying 500$ graphics cards in the 1st place, those are gamers cards, for the consumer gaming market. Different market from the scientific cards. I guess no one prohibits them from doing so, still, not the same market.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

1 minute ago, asus killer said:

they shouldn't be buying 500$ graphics cards in the 1st place,

"shouldn't"? What does it even mean? They will buy whatever cover they needs at the lowest cost, like anyone else.

1 minute ago, asus killer said:

those are gamers cards, for the consumer gaming market.

Those are GPUs, specialized processors focus on matrix operations. They are for the whoever can benefit from matrix handling market.

1 minute ago, asus killer said:

I guess no one prohibits them from doing so

Except maybe you, I guess  

[grimreeper132]

1 minute ago, asus killer said:

they shouldn't be buying 500$ graphics cards in the 1st place, those are gamers cards, for the consumer gaming market. Different market from the scientific cards. I guess no one prohibits them from doing so, still, not the same market.

true but budgets don't always allow that, and if they need 64 cards about as powerful as a 1080ti (means to be about £650-700, are about £800-900) the cards they are meant to be buying are double to tripple that price, for not a massive gain in profromance they will take the consumer cards