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I think these will be a hit if OEMs recognize them, small dimensions, affordable, and with an upgrade path? Count me in, I would love to have this at work instead of a G4440 Intel 

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6 minutes ago, asus killer said:

intel will have laptop cpu's with vega graphics and most likely better clock speeds as always.

I don't think these APU-s will go to the laptop market, from what you mentioned, I think this is a great alternative to the pentium line 

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11 minutes ago, asus killer said:

intel will have laptop cpu's with vega graphics and most likely better clock speeds as always.

That's what annoys me about AMD APUs. The graphics on the XBone and PS4 APU chips were way better than what they were offering on APUs for the PC market, and now it's the same story with chips they're helping their arch-rival make. If they built a chip combining a Ryzen 5 with an RX580 or 570, it would be a game changer. Not only for people who like smaller form factors, but for PC gamers like me who don't see the value of having an "Upgrade Path".

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Can we compare to to a 1030 + Pentium G4560? This combo in the past (Pentium + cheap GPU) was the absolute budget king, would be interesting to see how it stacks up against a Ryzen APU build.

 

Pentium G4560 + GT 1030 + MB = ~AUD$285

Ryzen 5 2400G + MB = ~AUD$284

Ryzen 3 2200G + MB = ~AUD$208

 

Motherboards are both cheapest models.

AMD MB: ASRock A320M-HDV Motherboard - $69

Intel MB: ASUS H110M-E Motherboard - $85

I respect the comparison to 1050TI and all, but if someone is throwing an extra $100 at graphics alone (literally double the investment on graphics), you would indeed expect to to show near double the results...
Also with-in this comparison may be worth considering the fact of an M.2 slot. Even the $69 el-cheapo AMD board has this. It allows for cheap 128GB boot drives (as low as ~$70 in recent times for a branded (ie Intel) OEM drive).

Edit:

Thank you GN <3

According to this the GT 1030 + Pentium combo scores 1108GPU / 2304 CPU on Timespy benchmark.
According to Linus' video the Ryzen 2400G scores 1153GPU / 2835 CPU on Timespy.
According to Linus' video the Ryzen 2200G scores 915GPU / 2986 CPU on Timespy. (Seems these are often oddly winning on CPU benchmarks)

Edit: The odd CPU scores may be due to sleep bug slowing system clock.



This indicates the Ryzen 2400G is on par with a GT 1030 + Pentium combo in graphics, though pulls slightly ahead in CPU loads.
This also indicates the Ryzen 2200G may be a very suitable tradeoff, losing around 20% GPU performance though staying strong in CPU and saving the customer around $80.

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36 minutes ago, dyl009 said:

Pentium G4560 + GT 1030 + MB = ~AUD$285

Ryzen 5 2400G + MB = ~AUD$284

Ryzen 3 2200G + MB = ~AUD$208

Oh you just got cpu + mobo, no ram, no hdd, no psu, no o/s

 

Newegg refurbished pc 3rd gen i7 for $300 or 4th gen $350USD

plus used gpu $150cdn for a 2gb gtx 770

 

1050 is $150usd

1050ti is $220usd

 

 

2400G apu cpu is $160usd

cheap mobo $40-50usd

+ram say thats $50

+optional or not psu

+optional case

+o/s

+optional storage

 

So $260usd for a system that is just under a 1050ti performance. So you could say, buy a single 1050ti for $220, or an amd apu system for $40 more

 


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1 hour ago, dyl009 said:

was the absolute budget king,

Lord no it was never the budget king, back before the great GPU drought the RX 560 and 1050 were $100 and were twice as fast for not much more money than the GT 1030/RX 550

 

the GT 1030 only became relevant when other GPUs weren't available, just as the 1050ti wasn't relevant next to the 40-50% faster RX 470/570 when they were only $20-40 more


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Really glad with how the APUs turned out, course it was expected to be an R5 1400 + RX 550


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A few quick questions:

1. Can you sorta-kinda crossfire the integrated GPU cores with a discrete GPU like you use to be able to do with the older APUs?

2. Can the ryzen APUs output 4k 60hz?

3. Does it support HDR?

I was thinking of making a SFF HTPC with the Ryzen 5 2400G, but I can't find some of this info.

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12 minutes ago, TJ_Hack3r said:

A few quick questions:

1. Can you sorta-kinda crossfire the integrated GPU cores with a discrete GPU like you use to be able to do with the older APUs?

2. Can the ryzen APUs output 4k 60hz?

3. Does it support HDR?

I was thinking of making a SFF HTPC with the Ryzen 5 2400G, but I can't find some of this info.

The hybrid crossfire things never worked well, but no, won't work.

They support 4K, and I can't imagine why they wouldn't support HDR as well.

" It's also worth noting the display capabilities of the new APUs. They support FreeSync and HDCP 1.4/2.2. That means they can output to gaming monitors and utilize FreeSync while also streaming 4K+HDR content. "

https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8520/amd-ryzen-3-2200g-5-2400g-review/index.html


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2 hours ago, Canada EH said:

Oh you just got cpu + mobo, no ram, no hdd, no psu, no o/s

 

Newegg refurbished pc 3rd gen i7 for $300 or 4th gen $350USD

plus used gpu $150cdn for a 2gb gtx 770

 

1050 is $150usd

1050ti is $220usd

 

 

2400G apu cpu is $160usd

cheap mobo $40-50usd

+ram say thats $50

+optional or not psu

+optional case

+o/s

+optional storage

 

So $260usd for a system that is just under a 1050ti performance. So you could say, buy a single 1050ti for $220, or an amd apu system for $40 more

 

Full breakdown below.

Refurb path can be done cheaper but they're usually dell/HP SFF cases which require a low profile card and aren't very upgradable.

Average Refurb Build (In Australia): 
Dell Optiplex 9020SFF (Includes the below)
CPU: i5 4570
RAM: 2x4GB (8GB)

SSD: 128GB
PSU: ~280W (may not support 1050ti, 1030 is fine)
GPU: GT 1030LP $120
Total: ~AUD$400.00
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/356782 - They often go on sale at this price.

 

Advantages:
Price (cheapest)

High speed quad core CPU
 

Disadvantages:
Non-upgradable (PSU limited + physical space limits)


Theoretically comparable Ryzen build:
Motherboard: Asrock A320M $69
SSD: Intel 600P 128GB - $89
Case/PSU Combo (cheap branded) - $60
CPU/GPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2400G - $235
2x4GB High Speed Memory* - $140
Total: AUD$575.00
*High speed memory required for improved/comparable GPU performance.
*Single channel 1x8GB may impact performance.

Advantages:
High speed quad core CPU
Upgradable

Disadvantages:
None?

Theoretically comparable Intel Pentium build:

Motherboard: Gigabyte H110M M.2 Motherboard - $89
SSD: Intel 600P 128GB - $89 
Case/PSU Combo (cheap branded) - $60

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 - $79
GPU: GT 1030 - $120

2x4GB (or even 1x8GB) Average Memory - $128
Total: AUD$575.00


Advantages: 
New parts
Upgradable

Disadvantages: 
Only 2 cores (won't be able to stream/etc + performance impacted if background programs open)

(Note: Found a cheap M.2 motherboard for Intel CPUs)

 

Summary:
Refurb is still cheapest.
Ryzen is directly comparable with the refurb at $175 more for new parts (including full warranty and new sexy build feels + upgradability)
Intel/nVidia can only bring a dual core offering to the table at this price point. Estimated an extra $50-100 for quad core. Upgradable + new part feels, but huge compromise on the CPU. 

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1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

Lord no it was never the budget king, back before the great GPU drought the RX 560 and 1050 were $100 and were twice as fast for not much more money than the GT 1030/RX 550

 

the GT 1030 only became relevant when other GPUs weren't available, just as the 1050ti wasn't relevant next to the 40-50% faster RX 470/570 when they were only $20-40 more


Happy to be included in the video. Does that make me a LMG staff? If so can I request Steve from Gamers Nexus flies in to test the thermals on the imac Pro and you guys jank together a better cooling solution? Maybe dunking the whole thing in mineral oil? Just a dream...


Really glad with how the APUs turned out, course it was expected to be an R5 1400 + RX 550

Worded my post a little wrong, was more referring to the Pentium + best cheaply available card at current time being the budget build. The best cheaply available GPU changes almost daily lately with crypto price hikes/etc. I believe RX 550 is still a good option, but it's closer to $150 locally lately. Possibly worth the extra though.

Also note the RX 550 doesn't actually perform as well as you'd expect in games. It benchmarks insanely higher (I mean +50-60%) in some tests, but realistically in most games it's equal or +/- ~20% depending on optimizations. With the price hikes on it currently it's hard to justify the extra $30-40 for a such a small benefit. For some it may be a benefit (depending on game played), for example Rocket League the RX 550 shows to have more stable 1% lows (56 rather than 47) allowing for the FPS to be capped quite smoothly at 60, but it all varies from game-to-game. https://www.techspot.com/review/1488-esports-geforce-gt-1030-vs-radeon-rx-550/page2.html

tl;dr:
RX 550 only worth it if the particular game you play needs the slightest bit extra power to push your FPS over 60 constantly. Realistically most games would be basically equal with either card.

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1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

I think you're mixing up RX 550 and RX 560

Unless you mean RX 550 vs the APU in games

I read $100 and assumed you meant RX 550, my apologies. I've never in my life seen the RX 560 for below ~AU$160 which is about US$125, even on release. It's currently closer to US$150. The RX 550 is ~AU$135 which is around US$105 - closer to that US$100 mark.


Note my original comparison was for the market of this APU - it's not marketed for a gamer playing GPU intensive games on high settings. The market it competes with is the Pentium + 1030 market. Before this it was Pentium + GTX 750/750TI. The 1050TI/RX560/etc is a completely different market again.
 

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15 minutes ago, asus killer said:

considering the new APU prices shouldn't ryzen 3 1200 and ryzen 4 1400 have dropped in price?

They're likely just going to stop producing those all together and retailers will have to price drop them just to get rid of them. They'll likely drop the 6/8 core models all together as well whenever they get around to putting that many cores in a single CCX.


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1 minute ago, Streetguru said:

They're likely just going to stop producing those all together and retailers will have to price drop them just to get rid of them. They'll likely drop the 6/8 core models all together as well whenever they get around to putting that many cores in a single CCX.

makes sense, or inventory will be in stock for ever


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1 minute ago, asus killer said:

makes sense, or inventory will be in stock for ever

More than likely they start including them in bundles first to clear other inventory with them, like Revision 1 motherboards that don't support the APUs out of the box.


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3 hours ago, dyl009 said:

Total: ~AUD$400.00

Dunno where your gettin your costs but even in Canada on par it sure aint $400, maybe 4 yrs ago.

 

i5-4570 complete refurb pc is $290cdn

i7-4770 is $600cdn so not worth it nor is i7-3770 $450cdn

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYfttg is $430usd (Ryzen 1600, brand name 500GB, cheapest brand name 8gb, cheapest case, tier 2 psu)

All you'd need is a gpu, or take off $190 for the 1600, and throw in APU for $160 total cost $400usd which is $530(CDN/AUS) use free o/s


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11 hours ago, TJ_Hack3r said:

2. Can the ryzen APUs output 4k 60hz?

That's more of a question of whether the motherboard I/O can output it.

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On 2/12/2018 at 9:31 AM, Max_Settings said:

Well AMD has officially made CPU mining a viable thing.

Still GPU mining, plus CPU mining has always been decent on XMR with Threadripper outperforming most GPUs.


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17 hours ago, Canada EH said:

Dunno where your gettin your costs but even in Canada on par it sure aint $400, maybe 4 yrs ago.

 

i5-4570 complete refurb pc is $290cdn

i7-4770 is $600cdn so not worth it nor is i7-3770 $450cdn

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LYfttg is $430usd (Ryzen 1600, brand name 500GB, cheapest brand name 8gb, cheapest case, tier 2 psu)

All you'd need is a gpu, or take off $190 for the 1600, and throw in APU for $160 total cost $400usd which is $530(CDN/AUS) use free o/s

The same complete refurb is $280 AUD here at times with the SSD.

The $400 amount is adding in the ~$120 for a GT 1030.

 

That's $530 with a spinning disk. The extra $45 in my estimation is mainly the cost of going from the 500GB hard drive (~$50AUD) to an SSD ($89AUD, +$39). That does show prices are similar in the US and possibly Canada though, so my numbers are quite relevant there too.

 

 

 

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On 2/13/2018 at 1:11 AM, Canada EH said:

Dunno where your gettin your costs but even in Canada on par it sure aint $400, maybe 4 yrs ago.

*shipping*

 

basically for the AU price you take the US price and multiply it by 2.


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On ‎2018‎-‎02‎-‎12 at 7:23 AM, GabenJr said:

I swear I checked that before I posted... Apparently I'm blind and/or dumb in the mornings.

there will be punishment for this at LTX

 

 

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On 12/2/2018 at 4:55 PM, AnonymousGuy said:

TLDR: APUs suck, have sucked, still suck, always will suck, and this one doesn't change any of that.

Then you clearly havent used it. I had an A12 9800 HTPC, which I upgraded to a Ryzen 5 2400G, its fast snappy and does what is needed. Biased opinions are not useful here. BTW The Ryzen 5 2400G`s CPU is comparable to a R5 1500X.

 

My gaming PC has a Ryzen 5 1600X and an RX 580 8GB paired with 16 GB of DDR 4 3200 (2x8).

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