Loot Box Regulation Bill Introduced by Washington Senator

[Master Disaster]

15 minutes ago, Alex Colson said:

governments job is to TRY and protect Kids but is dominantly falls down to the parent which sadly can't control everything their child encounters especially when it comes to the internet and online gaming.

 

So the fact you might fail at something is justification to never try anything?

[Xander Cousins]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

So the fact you might fail at something is justification to never try anything?

Ummm, Can you elaborate? 

[asus killer]

3 minutes ago, Alex Colson said:

I Get what you mean Dude, The world is progressing down a tech path that does need to update with the times for protecting children from influential harm and others that can be faced while on the internet, Sadly not all can fall down to the government they can only do soo much and majority is just reinforcing rules and regulations, Majority does fall down to the parent to try and prevent their Kid from being influenced negatively via internet influences. School is another thing  

there is no way i will disagree with you....there's a but coming 

But see it like this when someone says "it's his kid it's his problem" that is not true. A kid is a sponge, absorbs bad behaviors. If no one protects him form bad parenting or absent parenting he will became a bad adult, and that's bad not for his parents but for all society.

School should be the place to do that but we all know it's mostly a sausage factory for learning, and with the aggravated factor that a bad kid mixed in a school environment with others can be a bad influence for others or be susceptible to be influenced more by bad apples.

[Xander Cousins]

3 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Australia (Victoria definitely)  has introduced into it's curriculum a whole section on online safety and presence. They try to deal with everything from child pornography to social media, identity theft, bullying and fraud.     

 

I think the important thing to remember here is that parenting is not done half arsed on purpose.  Most parents (literally high, 90th percentile) actually go out of their way to protect their children and raise them to be honest.   Many parents may not have the technical understanding of game economics or some other component of modern life, but they do know enough to be as good as anyone can (including us) in those situations. 

More than what we got in that area. Most we got was a simple powerpoint showing the troubles and that was it. I Do agree every parent does the best they can, I ain't trying to undermine that but obviously their will be areas that the parent can't control but can atleast inform the child on how to cope and deal with it. 

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, asus killer said:

School should be the place to do that but we all know it's mostly a sausage factory for learning,

Reminds me of this gem:

 

 

[Xander Cousins]

7 minutes ago, asus killer said:

there is no way i will disagree with you....there's a but coming 

But see it like this when someone says "it's his kid it's his problem" that is not true. A kid is a sponge, absorbs bad behaviors. If no one protects him form bad parenting or absent parenting he will became a bad adult, and that's bad not for his parents but for all society.

School should be the place to do that but we all know it's mostly a sausage factory for learning, and with the aggravated factor that a bad kid mixed in a school environment with others can be a bad influence for others or be susceptible to be influenced more by bad apples.

Yaa..... School is something else for me, has never been fun and has never been an enjoyable due to implications. Long story short it pretty much nearly turned myself into a emotionless person.  just how I coped with the BS I had to put up with. Obviously my parents did greatly help with changing my mood from that and I love them for that. But ya Bad apple can always cause issues. 

[Seefer]

1 hour ago, Alex Colson said:

Being said the results can possibly be skewed but probably not as most research in this area is collected anonymously to influence more correct responses.

My girlfriend used to work at Gamestop, do you know how many times she had to tell parents about M rated games and what the contain only to be told "Yeah, I know, who cares?"

[Master Disaster]

1 hour ago, Alex Colson said:

Ummm, Can you elaborate? 

You seem to be saying that because things sometimes don't work as intended that there's no need to do them at all, or am I missing something?

[Xander Cousins]

1 hour ago, Master Disaster said:

You seem to be saying that because things sometimes don't work as intended that there's no need to do them at all, or am I missing something?

That's what I'm getting confused at, I Didn't know I came off as if you can't get something to work as intended then Don't bother with it.

 

I noticed you Quoted the below post I made;

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governments job is to TRY and protect Kids but is dominantly falls down to the parent which sadly can't control everything their child encounters especially when it comes to the internet and online gaming.

Which was in response to someone else's post referring to 'it being down to the government to protect kids from stupid parenting. 

 

What I meant about the above was the government is to try and protect Kids as best as they can. Ultimately the government can only protect kids to an extent when it comes to specific areas. Internet being one of them along with Education systems. But as stated it does dominantly fall down to the parent to keep their own kid protected which can be a difficult challenge due to improper knowledge on what they use and how to handle when things do happen. It is a lot harder for a parent now to keep their child safe than it was before online gaming and social media came around but it doesn't mean it is impossible and I surely don't mean to just not do it at all. 

 

I Can see where you got the misinterpretation from when I read over the last comment, I Should have made myself more clear. Apologies  

 

[Inkz]

On 1/28/2018 at 8:37 AM, Seefer said:

To make it gambling is damn stupid especially in Overwatch! That would be akin to saying trading cards are gambling because they actually have real life items not just stupid cosmetic items.

Says the guy with Dallas Fuel on his profile pic. On a completely unrelated note, #BurnBlue

[michaelocarroll007]

On 1/28/2018 at 9:48 AM, Seefer said:

Gonna crack down on trading card games too? Do you know what this crap would mean to those industries? Not to mention any other game of chance that kids play?

I think the reason Cards are not in lime light is the niche market Now days. 

 

U.S. gamingrevenue is forecast to reach $23.5 billion in 2017. Trading cards Cant be anywhere near that. 

 

The Video games are starting to specifically target and go after People with gambling tenancies and young kids.  They are changing to do so better and better being digital they can change the odds on the fly they can adapt so much better then the trading card industry can. They Provide Casino like roll of the dice in front of the user.  

 

As someone whos never bought a single Loot box with real money it doesnt bother me much maybe being an older 24 year old idc about pink guns. But so many 12 year old / young kids ive seen crave the skins and spend lots of money on loot boxes thoese fifa and such Cards. its like engraved into there minds they need it.

 

I was at a casino (real one) playing 21 blackjack. a Guy very messy with clothes that look 2 years past throw out time walks up to the table with $600 20 minutes later leaves the table with 0. I seriously believe he had a problem with gambling. and i might be someone who also has the outlook of thats his choice and his problem i played casually and lost $50 bucks so can he. but man it still felt sorta wrong. Just seems even worse to go after young kids. 

[Eduard the weeb]

feel like there gonna kill good systems ex Overwatch and companies like Ubisoft will probably find a way around it all because EA likes money

[PCMasterDebater]

8 hours ago, Seefer said:

It has to do with BOTH and if you bothered reading everything I said you would see that I said parents need to learn to say no and adults need to learn self control, I am 38 years old and could EASILY drop 200-300 a month on loot boxes but I have self control.

OOOOOoooh big spender. $200-$300 a month? DAAAAaaaaaamnmnnmnmmn boy. *mouth waters*. I wish I had me that kinda money fer surrre! 38 Years old with disposable income in the hundreds every month! Boys; take notice.

 

 

I had to...

You're seriously missing the point Seefer, and  @mr moose did a good job of spelling it out.

[kokakolia]

On 1/28/2018 at 7:48 AM, Seefer said:

Gonna crack down on trading card games too? Do you know what this crap would mean to those industries? Not to mention any other game of chance that kids play?

In my opinion, card games are the worst offenders and should be banned. They prey so hard on people's desperation to win. Just think about how the strongest or most useful cards are most frequently very rare and costly/time consuming to obtain. If you ever show up to a tournament with a cheap deck full of common cards you'll almost always lose. 

 

At least with Overwatch you're not worthless for not getting the "right things" out of loot boxes.