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Is NVIDIA G-Sync worth the money?

11 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Ah, I'll have a look at some. Any good Non-Sync/Adaptive Sync monitor reccomendations with a 144Hz refresh rate?

Better than that, take g-sync 165hz for 400 bucks.   All three of the below panels are identical afaik, same panel (23.8" tn, 1440p, gsync and 165hz overclockable) so it's down to "what frame do you like?"

 

Dell workstation style

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

 

Acer predator

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HFXsY/acer-predator-xb241yu-238-2560x1440-165hz-monitor-xb241yu-bmiprz

 

AOC, more toned down than the predator but more flashy than the dell.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H3mxFT/aoc-ag241qg-238-165hz-monitor-ag241qg

 

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DELL is borderless and predator has a good stand, puts both above the aoc IMO

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Hello everyone! I am planning to build a 1080p/1440p build with a GTX 1070 and an i5 8600k over clocked to 5GHz. I have made all the difficult storage and ram decisions but now I'm stuck with choosing a monitor. My current monitor is 900p 60Hz and frankly, I need a new one... but G-Sync is WAY too much... I'd spend $550+ on a monitor but it better be damn good and... Nvidia doesn'the have to much to offer. So I have 2 choices. Get a Free Sync display and toggle free sync and vsync off, OR I can take advantage of the technology with Vega 56... What's the better choice? Does G-Sync have an impact? Let me know!

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Gsync monitor? Not really imo. There are good monitors with little screen tearing even without adaptive refresh rate.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

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2 minutes ago, Damascus said:

It's something that only matters after you've experienced and liked it - somewhat like 120hz+, 2160p and cocaine 

Lmao! 120Hz gaming and cocaine? Interesting combo...

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11 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Ah, I'll have a look at some. Any good Non-Sync/Adaptive Sync monitor reccomendations with a 144Hz refresh rate?

Better than that, take g-sync 165hz for 400 bucks.   All three of the below panels are identical afaik, same panel (23.8" tn, 1440p, gsync and 165hz overclockable) so it's down to "what frame do you like?"

 

Dell workstation style

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

 

Acer predator

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HFXsY/acer-predator-xb241yu-238-2560x1440-165hz-monitor-xb241yu-bmiprz

 

AOC, more toned down than the predator but more flashy than the dell.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H3mxFT/aoc-ag241qg-238-165hz-monitor-ag241qg

 

Note* 

DELL is borderless and predator has a good stand, puts both above the aoc IMO


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43 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Gsync monitor? Not really imo. There are good monitors with little screen tearing even without adaptive refresh rate.

what? that makes no sense, all monitors without adaptive sync will tear exactly the same

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freesync is superior!!!

back to topic not really, i mean it isn't different in performance from Freesync


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1 hour ago, Damascus said:

Better than that, take g-sync 165hz for 400 bucks.   All three of the below panels are identical afaik, same panel (23.8" tn, 1440p, gsync and 165hz overclockable) so it's down to "what frame do you like?"

 

Dell workstation style

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CwgPxr/dell-s2417dg-238-165hz-monitor-s2417dg

 

Acer predator

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7HFXsY/acer-predator-xb241yu-238-2560x1440-165hz-monitor-xb241yu-bmiprz

 

AOC, more toned down than the predator but more flashy than the dell.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H3mxFT/aoc-ag241qg-238-165hz-monitor-ag241qg

 

Note* 

DELL is borderless and predator has a good stand, puts both above the aoc IMO

I was going to go with 144Hz IPS but considering that price, I can't complain. Thank you so much. I guess I could always get a secondary monitor for movies and videos. You just made my decision.

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1 hour ago, lefudgelover666 said:

what? that makes no sense, all monitors without adaptive sync will tear exactly the same

That's what I found out when I bought my monitor. I had used a BenQ screen at first, also 1080p 60Hz, that thing shows significant screen tearing even if my frame rates just go slightly below, like 50-55, the refresh rate. With my current LG monitor, screen tearing only gets noticeable when frame rates dip to the low 40s. It in theory shouldnt be possible, but in practice it is.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

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Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

I was going to go with 144Hz IPS but considering that price, I can't complain. Thank you so much. I guess I could always get a secondary monitor for movies and videos. You just made my decision.

Seems a bit of tuning makes the dell pretty good for the color accuracy


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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That's what I found out when I bought my monitor. I had used a BenQ screen at first, also 1080p 60Hz, that thing shows significant screen tearing even if my frame rates just go slightly below, like 50-55, the refresh rate. With my current LG monitor, screen tearing only gets noticeable when frame rates dip to the low 40s. It in theory shouldnt be possible, but in practice it is.

You should upgrade that CPU sometime, it says you have an i7 2600k. Still a nice CPU bUT you'll get more performance with an 8700k or Canon Lake.

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3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

That's what I found out when I bought my monitor. I had used a BenQ screen at first, also 1080p 60Hz, that thing shows significant screen tearing even if my frame rates just go slightly below, like 50-55, the refresh rate. With my current LG monitor, screen tearing only gets noticeable when frame rates dip to the low 40s. It in theory shouldnt be possible, but in practice it is.

And thanks for letting me know :)

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Just now, BurntBanana said:

I actually just picked up the Acer Predator XB241YU today and wow it really feels like there's a difference as I was using a 60hz regular LCD display.

Nice! Is the TN panel ok?

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11 minutes ago, ryanmassey1337 said:

Nice! Is the TN panel ok?

Ya, I was using TN Panel prior with the Asus Monitor and honestly unless you're a photographer, video editor, or an overall visual creator you don't really need an IPS. I don't see any issues regarding the colours and the brightness since I use it as my primary monitor but it is angled off to the side. Large viewing angels so there are 0 issues at all. 

 

Honestly, I was in the same boat was as you since I was thinking of getting the Asus rog Pg279q as there were a few refurb models but unsure if they were any good as apparently ordering one and getting a quality one was like the lottery.

 

I settled on this as it was a decent price, works on my budget. The weirdest thing is that the XB241YU in the pictures on the store shows a large thick bezel but when I opened it up, it was actually the "zero" bezel unit so that was a great touch and a surprise. 

 

The big thing is to just remember to turn on the high refresh rate regardless of what brand you use when you get it, I was a dummy and thought G-Sync would take care of that as I wasn't impressed with the first hour until I realized that it defaults to 60 hz with Windows settings. 

 

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask as I did a ton of research as well. 

 

Edit: Forgot to mention that IPS is great for visual creators and TN is perfectly fine for gaming. 

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Honestly the PG279Q is too overpriced

 

I don't have too many issues with my TN panel on my 900p HP monitor.... besides resolution and the glossy thick bezels... And no sync... Would you recommend your monitor over the Dell S2716DG?

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is it worth it ? not really, does it makes a difference ? yes g-sysnc does, comes down to if your willing to part with the extra money to get the g-sync.

I had the x34a and the g-sysnc made a difference running it with a 1070.

But now i would go 24 inch 1080p 144hz+ with g-sync..

 

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13 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

That's what I found out when I bought my monitor. I had used a BenQ screen at first, also 1080p 60Hz, that thing shows significant screen tearing even if my frame rates just go slightly below, like 50-55, the refresh rate. With my current LG monitor, screen tearing only gets noticeable when frame rates dip to the low 40s. It in theory shouldnt be possible, but in practice it is.

yeah no, not really possible, all non adaptive sync monitors tear in the exact same way because they refresh at  the exact same rate, a 60 hz monitor will refresh 60 times per second at the exact same interval, thats what adaptive sync changes, it slows the monitor refresh rate to match the gpu fps, without adaptive sync this does not happen and is impossible regardless of whether its a $1000 or a $50 monitor

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5 hours ago, lefudgelover666 said:

yeah no, not really possible, all non adaptive sync monitors tear in the exact same way because they refresh at  the exact same rate, a 60 hz monitor will refresh 60 times per second at the exact same interval, thats what adaptive sync changes, it slows the monitor refresh rate to match the gpu fps, without adaptive sync this does not happen and is impossible regardless of whether its a $1000 or a $50 monitor

I suspect it relates to how the monitor handles the input. I havent measured the input lag of the two monitors at all.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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