Jump to content

Older 4gb card or newer 2gb card?

xFluing

I'm making a budget gaming build, and I would like a 4GB video card, the issue is that all my stores are simply out of stock for DX12 4GB video cards, I can only find 2GB versions however I could buy an older, DX11 4GB card and call it a day, but I'm not sure which will be better for the future, seeing as 4GB would be good, but I won't be able to play any DX12 games, and on the flip side, I will be able to play DX12 games, but the card will run out of VRAM sooner than the 4GB version.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

What games are you planning to play? And can you buy from online (Amazon, etc.)?

"May your frame rates be high and your temperatures low"

I misread titles/posts way too often--correct me if I don't.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

What are the options?

PSU Tier List | CoC

Gaming Build | FreeNAS Server

Spoiler

i5-4690k || Seidon 240m || GTX780 ACX || MSI Z97s SLI Plus || 8GB 2400mhz || 250GB 840 Evo || 1TB WD Blue || H440 (Black/Blue) || Windows 10 Pro || Dell P2414H & BenQ XL2411Z || Ducky Shine Mini || Logitech G502 Proteus Core

Spoiler

FreeNAS 9.3 - Stable || Xeon E3 1230v2 || Supermicro X9SCM-F || 32GB Crucial ECC DDR3 || 3x4TB WD Red (JBOD) || SYBA SI-PEX40064 sata controller || Corsair CX500m || NZXT Source 210.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Jasun said:

What games are you planning to play? And can you buy from online (Amazon, etc.)?

I don't have access to Amazon, I don't think they ship to my country.

 

I have no issue running most of my games currently, KF2, Serious Sam 2017 etc. The issue comes with The Crew, where I can't run it in 1050p even on low settings so I have to pull the resolution down to 1440x900, I'm looking for a card that will let me play all these on at least 1920x1200, even on Low, I don't care, however I'm afraid that if I buy the 4GB DX11 moving forward with DX12 becoming more and more mainstream I'm going to find a game I like that I won't be able to run because it will be running on DX12.

 

I could shell out a bit more money for a 1050Ti, I guess, but I don't want to steal from my CPU budget, because I would like to have at least a ryzen 5 1400 (that multi-threaded goodness), and besides that I've heard that nvidia can't run DX12 natively

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, djdwosk97 said:

What are the options?

An RX560 2GB (full-sized one) if I want the R5 1400, otherwise if I were to buy a 1050ti for instance, I'd have to step down to R3

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, xFluing said:

and besides that I've heard that nvidia can't run DX12 natively

Nvidia can run DX12 games just fine, they just don't see a big improvement in DX12 compared to DX11 like AMD does because AMD has a massive driver overhead issue with DX11 that Nvidia doesn't have. 

1 minute ago, xFluing said:

An RX560 2GB (full-sized one) if I want the R5 1400, otherwise if I were to buy a 1050ti for instance, I'd have to step down to R3

For gaming a 1050Ti + R3 >>> 560 + R5.

 

What's the full list of parts you intend to buy? You might be able to save money and get both a better GPU and a better CPU. 

PSU Tier List | CoC

Gaming Build | FreeNAS Server

Spoiler

i5-4690k || Seidon 240m || GTX780 ACX || MSI Z97s SLI Plus || 8GB 2400mhz || 250GB 840 Evo || 1TB WD Blue || H440 (Black/Blue) || Windows 10 Pro || Dell P2414H & BenQ XL2411Z || Ducky Shine Mini || Logitech G502 Proteus Core

Spoiler

FreeNAS 9.3 - Stable || Xeon E3 1230v2 || Supermicro X9SCM-F || 32GB Crucial ECC DDR3 || 3x4TB WD Red (JBOD) || SYBA SI-PEX40064 sata controller || Corsair CX500m || NZXT Source 210.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1050 ti and R3 make the most sense

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Nvidia can run DX12 games just fine, they just don't see a big improvement in DX12 compared to DX11 like AMD does because AMD has a massive driver overhead issue with DX11 that Nvidia doesn't have. 

For gaming a 1050Ti + R3 >>> 560 + R5.

Thing is I'm not just doing gaming on this machine, I'm also doing video editing, and I would really benefit from the extra threads, not as hardcore as daily youtubers, however, and I would like to play around with the idea of streaming as well.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, xFluing said:

Thing is I'm not just doing gaming on this machine, I'm also doing video editing, and I would really benefit from the extra threads, not as hardcore as daily youtubers, however, and I would like to play around with the idea of streaming as well.

What's the full list of parts you intend to buy (and where are you buying from)? You might be able to save money and get both a better GPU and a better CPU. 

PSU Tier List | CoC

Gaming Build | FreeNAS Server

Spoiler

i5-4690k || Seidon 240m || GTX780 ACX || MSI Z97s SLI Plus || 8GB 2400mhz || 250GB 840 Evo || 1TB WD Blue || H440 (Black/Blue) || Windows 10 Pro || Dell P2414H & BenQ XL2411Z || Ducky Shine Mini || Logitech G502 Proteus Core

Spoiler

FreeNAS 9.3 - Stable || Xeon E3 1230v2 || Supermicro X9SCM-F || 32GB Crucial ECC DDR3 || 3x4TB WD Red (JBOD) || SYBA SI-PEX40064 sata controller || Corsair CX500m || NZXT Source 210.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, xFluing said:

Thing is I'm not just doing gaming on this machine, I'm also doing video editing, and I would really benefit from the extra threads, not as hardcore as daily youtubers, however, and I would like to play around with the idea of streaming as well.

RX 560 is a painfully weak card. R5 1400 wont do video editing nearly as well as a R5 1600 so i would get the cheaper ryzen 3, and maybe switch to the upcoming Ryzen 2 in summer, when you will save up for it (motherboards will be compatible)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just now, djdwosk97 said:

What's the full list of parts you intend to buy (and where are you buying from)? You might be able to save money and get both a better GPU and a better CPU. 

I'm doing a full build from scratch meaning:

PSU: Corsair VS550

Case

MOBO: Gigabyte AB-350

RAM: 8GB dual-channel

CPU: Ryzen 5 1400 / Ryzen 3 1200

GPU: RX560 / 1050Ti

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Konrad Kwasniewski said:

RX 560 is a painfully weak card. R5 1400 wont do video editing nearly as well as a R5 1600 so i would get the cheaper ryzen 3, and maybe switch to the upcoming Ryzen 2 in summer, when you will save up for it (motherboards will be compatible)

What's this stuff I keep hearing about Ryzen 2?

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Konrad Kwasniewski said:

RX 560 is a painfully weak card. R5 1400 wont do video editing nearly as well as a R5 1600 so i would get the cheaper ryzen 3, and maybe switch to the upcoming Ryzen 2 in summer, when you will save up for it (motherboards will be compatible)

Yeah, but it will do it better than the R3 won't it?

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, xFluing said:

What's this stuff I keep hearing about Ryzen 2?

The second gen of their processors, on 12 nm process compatible with the am4 platform. Sensless to get a R5 1400 now, get the cheaper 1200 and in the summer swap for Ryzen 2.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, xFluing said:

Yeah, but it will do it better than the R3 won't it?

Yes, but honestly, getting an RX 560...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, Konrad Kwasniewski said:

The second gen of their processors, on 12 nm process compatible with the am4 platform. Sensless to get a R5 1400 now, get the cheaper 1200 and in the summer swap for Ryzen 2.

You know I might as well do just that, honestly R3 does well enough in games anyway especially when overclocked (the reason why I'm going for a B350 motherboard)

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, xFluing said:

SU: Corsair VS550

get a better PSU. tier list can be found in my sig. 

Good luck, Have fun, Build PC, and have a last gen console for use once a year. I should answer most of the time between 9 to 3 PST

NightHawk 3.0: R7 5700x @, B550A vision D, H105, 2x32gb Oloy 3600, Sapphire RX 6700XT  Nitro+, Corsair RM750X, 500 gb 850 evo, 2tb rocket and 5tb Toshiba x300, 2x 6TB WD Black W10 all in a 750D airflow.
GF PC: (nighthawk 2.0): R7 2700x, B450m vision D, 4x8gb Geli 2933, Strix GTX970, CX650M RGB, Obsidian 350D

Skunkworks: R5 3500U, 16gb, 500gb Adata XPG 6000 lite, Vega 8. HP probook G455R G6 Ubuntu 20. LTS

Condor (MC server): 6600K, z170m plus, 16gb corsair vengeance LPX, samsung 750 evo, EVGA BR 450.

Spirt  (NAS) ASUS Z9PR-D12, 2x E5 2620V2, 8x4gb, 24 3tb HDD. F80 800gb cache, trueNAS, 2x12disk raid Z3 stripped

PSU Tier List      Motherboard Tier List     SSD Tier List     How to get PC parts cheap    HP probook 445R G6 review

 

"Stupidity is like trying to find a limit of a constant. You are never truly smart in something, just less stupid."

Camera Gear: X-S10, 16-80 F4, 60D, 24-105 F4, 50mm F1.4, Helios44-m, 2 Cos-11D lavs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

15 minutes ago, Konrad Kwasniewski said:

1050 ti and R3 make the most sense

OK one last question: the 1050 supports downsampling right? I can't get 1920x1200 resolution natively on my monitor right now

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

get a better PSU. tier list can be found in my sig. 

OK What about the CX 550? It's both in stock and I can fit it in my budget.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, xFluing said:

OK What about the CX 550? It's both in stock and I can fit it in my budget.

much better 

Good luck, Have fun, Build PC, and have a last gen console for use once a year. I should answer most of the time between 9 to 3 PST

NightHawk 3.0: R7 5700x @, B550A vision D, H105, 2x32gb Oloy 3600, Sapphire RX 6700XT  Nitro+, Corsair RM750X, 500 gb 850 evo, 2tb rocket and 5tb Toshiba x300, 2x 6TB WD Black W10 all in a 750D airflow.
GF PC: (nighthawk 2.0): R7 2700x, B450m vision D, 4x8gb Geli 2933, Strix GTX970, CX650M RGB, Obsidian 350D

Skunkworks: R5 3500U, 16gb, 500gb Adata XPG 6000 lite, Vega 8. HP probook G455R G6 Ubuntu 20. LTS

Condor (MC server): 6600K, z170m plus, 16gb corsair vengeance LPX, samsung 750 evo, EVGA BR 450.

Spirt  (NAS) ASUS Z9PR-D12, 2x E5 2620V2, 8x4gb, 24 3tb HDD. F80 800gb cache, trueNAS, 2x12disk raid Z3 stripped

PSU Tier List      Motherboard Tier List     SSD Tier List     How to get PC parts cheap    HP probook 445R G6 review

 

"Stupidity is like trying to find a limit of a constant. You are never truly smart in something, just less stupid."

Camera Gear: X-S10, 16-80 F4, 60D, 24-105 F4, 50mm F1.4, Helios44-m, 2 Cos-11D lavs

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

edit : The original CX550 is not much better than VS550. If you mean CX550M, that's an actual improvement.

 

Either way, the PSU will be fine for a system that won't use more than 200 watts.  Both of those video cards only use up to 80w or so, and the Ryzen 3 cpus use around 40 watts on stock frequencies, going up to around 60 watts when overclocked.

 

For 1080p gaming and below, with quality settings to medium-high, 2 GB will be enough. Especially older games probably won't even use more than 1 GB of memory.

However, once you'll go into more modern games like GTA or the latest Doom and other games released last year, not having 4 GB is really noticeable.

 

For streaming, both cards have hardware encoders so your cpu won't be affected by streaming much, so you could live with a ryzen 3 1200 if that saves you money to use for a better video card.

 

You should try to go for a 3 GB or 4 GB model, maybe if you list some of the options we can give some suggestions.

 

gtx 1050ti is slightly faster than rx 560 , but if it only has 2gb compared to 4 on rx 560 it wouldn't be a smart buy.

If you're not gonna play the latest games , a cheaper 560 will probably run just as fine as the gtx 1050ti 

 

Not sure Ryzen 5 1400 is a good choice. I'd either go for Ryzen 3 1200 and overclock it, or I'd go with six cores / 12 threads.

 

BTW AMD's gonna launch a new batch of Ryzen processors on the 12 of February, including two processors with "Vega light" integrated graphics and performance somewhere around Ryzen 5 1400 for the higher end model (which is supposed to cost ~ 169$) .  The integrated graphics in those cpus is supposed to be somewhere above GT 1030 / RX 550 but not quite near gtx 1050 or rx 560.

 

Still, it may be enough for you until you get more money for a gtx 1060  or a rx 570 or something like that.

 

later edit :

 

So it will be  Ryzen 5 2400G  4 cores, 8 threads , 169$ , and Ryzen 3 2200G 4 cores, 4 threads 99$ (but weaker graphics, gt 1030 or less levels)

 

AMD-Ryzen-and-Ryzen-Threadripper-Price-Cuts.thumb.jpg.3f0c8faf62bf94205a5dd70324414fc8.jpg

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

8 minutes ago, mariushm said:

The original CX550 is not much better than VS550. If you mean CX550M, that's an actual improvement.

Even though the CX is the older revision i'd choose the CX any day of the week than VS.

 

37 minutes ago, xFluing said:

I'm doing a full build from scratch meaning:

PSU: Corsair VS550

Case

MOBO: Gigabyte AB-350

RAM: 8GB dual-channel

CPU: Ryzen 5 1400 / Ryzen 3 1200

GPU: RX560 / 1050Ti

If u do more video editing than gaming then get the R5 1400 if u did the opposite then get the 1200 with 1050 ti.

If u asked me i'd go for the 5 1400 and upgrade my gpu later on because CPU will last longer than gpu.

But if u really want to play games at higher settings and get decent framerate then get the 3 1200 and 1050 ti.

Or u could buy a used video card such as 970 or 980.

Gaming Mouse Buying Guide (Technical Terms,Optical vs Laser,Mice Recommendation,Popular Mouse Sensor,Etc)

[LOGITECH G402 REVIEW]

I love Dark Souls lore, Mice and Milk tea  ^_^ Praise The Sun! \[T]/

 

 

 

I can conquer the world with one hand,As long as you hold the other -Unknown

Its better to enjoy your own company than expecting someone to make you happy -Mr Bean

No one is going to be with you forever,One day u'll have to walk alone -Hiromi aoki (avery)

BUT the one who love us never really leave us,You can always find them here -Sirius Black

Don't pity the dead,Pity the living and above all those who live without love -Albus Dumbledore

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Hiya! said:

Even though the CX is the older revision i'd choose the CX any day of the week than VS.

 

If u do more video editing than gaming then get the R5 1400 if u did the opposite then get the 1200 with 1050 ti.

If u asked me i'd go for the 5 1400 and upgrade my gpu later on because CPU will last longer than gpu.

But if u really want to play games at higher settings and get decent framerate then get the 3 1200 and 1050 ti.

Or u could buy a used video card such as 970 or 980.

I'll go for r3 1200 and 1050ti and probably upgrade to a gen 2 ryzen later down the line

AMD Ryzen 5 5600 | MSI B450 Tomahawk | Corsair LPX 16GB 3000MHz CL16 | XFX RX 6700 XT QICK 319 | Corsair TX 550M 80+ Gold PSU

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×