Your thoughts on mining and the GPU shortage?

[Jrasero]

8 minutes ago, miagisan said:

I didn't sa morally deeming. I said it's a waste. It burns a shit ton of electricity for doing calculations for the sake of doing calculations. 

 

Now, if say it was tied to something beneficial (protein folding, physics calculations, astronomical purposes, math, finance, simulation,  whatever) and getting paid,  I would have absolutely NO problem with it. You are providing a service and getting paid. 

 

The fact that mining burns more electricity than most small countries on wasted calculations, all to get a piece of the free money pie fad. 

Are your against it do to environmental reasons then?

 

Well crypto currencies are really the anti banks and Federal Reserve, so if you don't agree with our current economical system.    

 

I guess maybe this is a NY thing but I see you are from there but how do you feel about UBER and its effects on Taxi medallions?  There are some similarities there between what's going on with mining I believe 

[miagisan]

Just now, Jrasero said:

Are your against it do to environmental reasons then?

 

Well crypto currencies are really the anti banks and Federal Reserve, so if you don't agree with our current economical system.    

No, it's not environmental reasons. Stop trying to bait me. It's purely economical. The whole purpose of money is to provide a means of universal payment  for a service. Miners are using resources and not providing a service. Imagine how much could be accomplished if the same amount of computer power was used to protein folding or some other computer intensive problem and getting paid for it. 

 

And you really think crypto cannot be manipulated or controlled? It's no different than stocks, that a majority stock holder can influence by containing the majority, but  since they aren't regulated they can pump and dump to their hearts content with no repercussions. 

[GeorgeDouj88]

F%#@ Mining

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, miagisan said:

No, it's not environmental reasons. Stop trying to bait me. It's purely economical. The whole purpose of money is to provide a means of universal payment  for a service. Miners are using resources and not providing a service. Imagine how much could be accomplished if the same amount of computer power was used to protein folding or some other computer intensive problem and getting paid for it. 

 

And you really think crypto cannot be manipulated or controlled? It's no different than stocks, that a majority stock holder can influence by containing the majority, but  since they aren't regulated they can pump and dump to their hearts content with no repercussions. 

Not trying to bait you into anything just trying to get where you are coming from

 

I actually believe crypto currencies are a dangerous bubble.  I agree with everything you have stated and know a lot of DFS players who have dumped a ton of money into the shadier part of currencies.  

 

With this being said, this will all continue until the government steps in and regulates it or outlaws/creates it's own form of digital currency

 

What I have a problem with is what you personally constitute work to be.  People's definition of work is so jaded by their current work situations IMO  

[miagisan]

1 minute ago, Jrasero said:

Not trying to bait you into anything just trying to get where you are coming from

 

I actually believe crypto currencies are a dangerous bubble.  I agree with everything you have stated and know a lot of DFS players who have dumped a ton of money into the shadier part of currencies.  

 

With this being said, this will all continue until the government steps in and regulates it or outlaws/creates it's own form of digital currency

 

What I have a problem with is what you personally constitute work to be.  People's definition of work is so jaded by their current work situations IMO  

How is mine jaded? I never mentioned work in any of my posts, people do all kinds of work from labor intensive to academia, but yet all provide a service. 

 

No where did I ever mention work. 

[Kryten2x4z]

1 minute ago, miagisan said:

How is mine jaded? I never mentioned work in any of my posts, people do all kinds of work from labor intensive to academia, but yet all provide a service. 

 

No where did I ever mention work. 

I have a friend who works for a company that requires gpus for deep learning reasons.  Yet they have to blow a large portion of their budget just to get the cards to provide computational power. For self driving and medical research. 

[Jrasero]

Never said you did and I never said you personally are jaded about your work situations

 

but I find that people are bitter, jaded, jealous about who and how people make money

 

trust me, people make comments all the time about DFS and how it is not a "real job" or hurting the casinos or whatever.   

[Jrasero]

3 minutes ago, Kryten2x4z said:

I have a friend who works for a company that requires gpus for deep learning reasons.  Yet they have to blow a large portion of their budget just to get the cards to provide computational power. For self driving and medical research. 

I am not hear to support mining and I am sorry that effects your friends work, but for every person like your friend there are probably 10 people on here that are screaming about mining because they can't get a card to use for more recreational purposes.  

 

Wouldn't your friend be using a deep learning card which has been mostly not effected by this due to high MSRP to begin with.  

[Mick Naughty]

If they are using cards for work, they should already have them or just contact NVidia directly and make purchases like many other companies.  Thinking smarter and not harder. But its always easy to blame someone else instead of finding another solution.

 

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, vinyldash303 said:

Thing about this is, if you call MSI or Asus and ask who you would talk to to buy a stack of gpus, for a company, not an end user, and say you want to buy 20 of them, they'll respond with, naw 20 isn't enough, if you want to do a business order you're gonna have to get 200 of them. 

 

Nvidia themselves might be different. I haven't called them yet.

then call a distributor

 

I know there is a shortage, but how in the hell do everyone I know get their card within a week or two lately close to msrp

using nowinstock and constantly checking many websites

yes its work but if you really want it you will get it

 

many people track stock so they know if they can buy them up they can resell

[Jrasero]

4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

then call a distributor

 

I know there is a shortage, but how in the hell do everyone I know get their card within a week or two lately close to msrp

using nowinstock and constantly checking many websites

yes its work but if you really want it you will get it

 

many people track stock so they know if they can buy them up they can resell

I agree and I know this is only EVGA but I haven't had the problem of getting one 

[Eduard the weeb]

I personally don't like the shortage but not allowing miners to buy cards is dumb imo 

if you have cash I guess it okay

[Kryten2x4z]

30 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

I am not hear to support mining and I am sorry that effects your friends work, but for every person like your friend there are probably 10 people on here that are screaming about mining because they can't get a card to use for more recreational purposes.  

 

Wouldn't your friend be using a deep learning card which has been mostly not effected by this due to high MSRP to begin with.  

It's more cost effective to buy the 1080gtx or tis more so than buying a Titan v card. 

[pas008]

6 minutes ago, Kryten2x4z said:

It's more cost effective to buy the 1080gtx or tis more so than buying a Titan v card. 

what does titanv have to do with anything?

[Jrasero]

2 minutes ago, Kryten2x4z said:

It's more cost effective to buy the 1080gtx or tis more so than buying a Titan v card. 

Well the Titan Xp is still very available even though Nvidia fluctuates on whether it's a deep learning card or GTX card
 

either way, I don't think it's impossible but I am not saying it's easy but I think you can find 1080 Ti cards for MSRP or reasonably.  Sounds ultra simple but Mick naughty has been preaching just signing up for auto restock notifications on every site.  

[pas008]

1 minute ago, vinyldash303 said:

I called newegg, registered a bussiness account with them and said i want to know how much i'll have to pay on an order of 20 of these. The guy on the phone said 'oof, you want 20 of them? I dont even know if we have any in stock..'

 

I called EVGA and they practically told me to fuck off. 

lol really evga and shit customer service

 

haha believable

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

lol really evga and shit customer service

 

haha believable

better question is why do you need 20 cards?

[BulletMagnetEd]

On 1/19/2018 at 11:41 AM, miagisan said:

Here in NY it's horrible. I been wanting to build a computer for my son, but between the gpu and memory spikes, it's not feasible. Microcenter here has resorted to selling 7500 series gpus they probably found in a trash bin. 

 

Going to wait for raven ridge apu to see if they are any good. Might not be the gaming machine he would want, but no way in hell am I spending $1k on a mid range gaming machine. 

I’m in NY as well. I got my 1080Ti a few months ago for MSRP ($700). Now I feel like a genius getting it when I did. That same MSI card is $1200, if you can even finding one. ?

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, vinyldash303 said:

Going to use them next year as christmas ornaments and door stops. 

lol jokes aside, this is why Nvidia is urging vendors to limit 2 GPUs per person and to also harmonize sale prices

 

 

[Kryten2x4z]

12 minutes ago, pas008 said:

what does titanv have to do with anything?

The Titan v is specifically designed for deep learning computation. 

 

12 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

Well the Titan Xp is still very available even though Nvidia fluctuates on whether it's a deep learning card or GTX card
 

either way, I don't think it's impossible but I am not saying it's easy but I think you can find 1080 Ti cards for MSRP or reasonably.  Sounds ultra simple but Mick naughty has been preaching just signing up for auto restock notifications on every site.  

I have signed up for auto notify but those come a min too late most of the time. 

 

Cos from what I've been told haven't been worth it. Since a ti still computes faster.  Also you can only gdt the star wars ed cards now.  Not the normal reference card.

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, Kryten2x4z said:

The Titan v is specifically designed for deep learning computation. 

 

I have signed up for auto notify but those come a min too late most of the time. 

 

Cos from what I've been told haven't been worth it. Since a ti still computes faster.  Also you can only gdt the star wars ed cards now.  Not the normal reference card.

These are all true points, but these are mostly the options.  If your dead set on a 1080 Ti try EVGA auto notifications.  They don't instantly sell out after notification like Newegg but you can't wait like half an hour to check out either.  

[Kryten2x4z]

5 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

These are all true points, but these are mostly the options.  If your dead set on a 1080 Ti try EVGA auto notifications.  They don't instantly sell out after notification like Newegg but you can't wait like half an hour to check out either.  

Normally I would go for whatever card. But the way I built my rig was based on the hopes for a Asus strix  card.  

[Jrasero]

1 minute ago, Kryten2x4z said:

Normally I would go for whatever card. But the way I built my rig was based on the hopes for a Asus strix  card.  

and there is the difference between a miner and a gamer.  One cares if it has RGB and matches the color of their motherboard and other parts and the other just cares about ROI based on efficiency.  I highly doubt your friend in academia cares about styling.

 

Hey I am not saying you shouldn't be picky about colors on a $700+ purchase but dude we are in a drought, you can get what you can get.  Best of luck though finding a card, hopefully one pops up sooner rather than later    

[Kryten2x4z]

8 minutes ago, Jrasero said:

and there is the difference between a miner and a gamer.  One cares if it has RGB and matches the color of their motherboard and other parts and the other just cares about ROI based on efficiency.  I highly doubt your friend in academia cares about styling.

 

Hey I am not saying you shouldn't be picky about colors on a $700+ purchase but dude we are in a drought, you can get what you can get.  Best of luck though finding a card, hopefully one pops up sooner rather than later    

I also was going to build my father a rig for photography.  But even, the what is supposed to be lesser expensive cards, are now double their msrp. 

 

My friend normal doesn't but that's just how he is.

[KarathKasun]

Oh, for the people claiming "just do a lot of legwork and you can find a card for MSRP"...

 

In the past few days the 1st tier retailers have bumped prices up considerably.  Price for a RX 580 in the retail channel (distributor to retailer prices) is now $350+.  I am sure that the price of NV cards behind the scenes is not far behind.

 

If you don't know what this means...  The prices are on a LONG TERM and universal upward trend now.  Effective MSRP is now ~30% higher.