Samsung Starts Producing Industry's First 16-Gigabit GDDR6 Memory

[bcredeur97]

2 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

In before gddr6 has better mining capabilities

it will. I can already see a huge boost in ethereum performance from the extra bandwidth (ethereum heavily relies on memory)

[RagnarokDel]

4 hours ago, TheRandomness said:

I hate the calculations in that image, mainly because calling gigabits gigabytes is really throwing me off.

If only there was a clear identifiable difference for them in english as there are in other languages like french:  megabit(Mb) mega-octet(MB).

[handymanshandle]

3 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

Unfortunately, manufacturers don't care who buys their products. They make money whether they are miners or gamers; significantly more if you are a miner since you would be inclined to buy more that one. That being said, the best thing you can do is hope that GDDR5 would still be the most efficient choice for mining.

3 hours ago, Drak3 said:

Not happening. They won't handicap a product to stop sales.

Butttt Miners can go fuuuuuckkkkk themselves.

 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, wcreek said:

Butttt Miners can go fuuuuuckkkkk themselves.

 

Why? The only people losing out are gamers that build/upgrade their own machines. Everyone else is either unaffected or benefiting from it.

[ItsMitch]

Just now, Drak3 said:

Why? The only people losing out are gamers that build/upgrade their own machines. Everyone else is either unaffected or benefiting from it.

Gamers shouldn't have to suffer because people are greedy dickheads and go for all the GPUs in the BTC mining craze

[Drak3]

Just now, SC2Mitch said:

Gamers shouldn't have to suffer because people are greedy dickheads and go for all the GPUs in the BTC mining craze

Manufacturing limitations and Supply & Demand are bitches. But the world spins regardless.

 

Also, gaming that important, and there isn't a huge shortage of prebuilts that can game.

[AdmiralMeowmix]

Here's hoping Nvidia uses this in their next GPU's (maybe this is why it's suspected they're skipping consumer volta)

[-rascal-]

3 hours ago, dizmo said:

Hmmm. I see. Does memory speed have anything to do with what frequency they'll operate at?
Looking at this chart (yeah yeah, I know, horrible source) https://wccftech.com/samsung-gddr6-16gb-18gbps-mass-production-official/ it looks like there will be quite an increase from the current 10,000 to 18,000. Though, likely only a 2,000 increase on most consumer cards I'd imagine.

Can GDDRx not run at a higher bus than 384?

 

From GPU history, yes, higher then 384-bit is possible with GDDRx memory.

 

AMD (ATi at the time) was only one willing to try 512-bit memory bus...that was back on the Radeon HD 2900XT -- did not go well.

512-bit was not used again until the the R9-290(X) and R9-390(X).

 

Just a interesting side:

Spoiler

ATi / AMD are the ballsy ones back in the day willing to try new stuff on their GPUs first.

- 512-bit memory bus

- GDDR4 memory

- GDDR5

 

NVidia has yet to use anything beyond 384-bit on their GPUs.

Of course, this does not include the Titan V and Titan V100, which uses HBM2, and 3072-bit and 4096-bit bus respectively.

 

I'm just saying, as this point, we don't know what is the (effective) maximum speed GDDR6 will be capable of.

Looking through GDDRx history, in theory, it should increase...but then again, it's hard to say if density goes up dramatically.

Theoretical is 18 Gbps; we don't know the ACTUAL numbers are until we have them in hand.

[Dabombinable]

19 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

From GPU history, yes, higher then 384-bit is possible with GDDRx memory.

 

AMD (ATi at the time) was only one willing to try 512-bit memory bus...that was back on the Radeon HD 2900XT -- did not go well.

512-bit was not used again until the the R9-290(X) and R9-390(X).

 

Just a interesting side:

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ATi / AMD are the ballsy ones back in the day willing to try new stuff on their GPUs first.

- 512-bit memory bus

- GDDR4 memory

- GDDR5

 

NVidia has yet to use anything beyond 384-bit on their GPUs.

Of course, this does not include the Titan V and Titan V100, which uses HBM2, and 3072-bit and 4096-bit bus respectively.

 

I'm just saying, as this point, we don't know what is the (effective) maximum speed GDDR6 will be capable of.

Looking through GDDRx history, in theory, it should increase...but then again, it's hard to say if density goes up dramatically.

Theoretical is 18 Gbps; we don't know the ACTUAL numbers are until we have them in hand.

Umm...Nvidia used to have 448 and 512bit bus for the Geforce 200 series:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_series

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-280/specifications

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-275/specifications

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-260/specifications

[FirstArmada]

Are you the real hugh mungus?

[-rascal-]

2 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Umm...Nvidia used to have 448 and 512bit bus for the Geforce 200 series:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_200_series

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-280/specifications

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-275/specifications

https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-260/specifications

 

Oh shiiiiiieeet you're right.

I looked at the GTX 200 series, but not the entire line-up (looked at GTX 295, and GTS 250 only).

 

Then again, beyond 384-bit for the memory has been uncommon/rare for "gaming" GPUs.

 

[S w a t s o n]

yea uh, HBM2 still wins in 4hi stack config let alone HBM2 2.4gbps or HBM3

[Coaxialgamer]

16 hours ago, dizmo said:

I don't think that's that big of an issue considering they've done 4x that before on consumer cards.

They haven't. Hbm doesn't require traces on the pch

[Sakkura]

15 hours ago, dizmo said:

I see. Maybe the reduced power consumption will let them run it at something between 512 and 1024 bit. Though I only see AMD attempting that, Nvidia has been pretty focused on low power consumption the last few years.

Even 512-bit GDDR6 is fairly unlikely on consumer cards, beyond 512-bit is not happening.

 

The Titan Xp and 1080 Ti are both 384-bit, and GDDR6 doesn't change the cost/complexity of a wide interface. If anything, the faster transfer rate means they'll be less likely to need/want a wide interface.

[Doobeedoo]

Very nice bump for GDDR indeed. Prices for memory in general need to go down. Also who knows when GPUs will go down in price too. It's such a mess. But new cards with it will be awesome. 

I take it new HBM will be used for flagship GPUs only. 

[pas008]

nice so mid to end of this yr we should see new cards

wonder who put in orders

[vorticalbox]

14 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Gamers shouldn't have to suffer because people are greedy dickheads and go for all the GPUs in the BTC mining craze

oh no people are buying things before I get a chance to.

 

If it were the over way around you would be sat here defending that gamers should have all the GPUS and miners can just suck it up.

[pas008]

15 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

Gamers shouldn't have to suffer because people are greedy dickheads and go for all the GPUs in the BTC mining craze

gamers, miners, folders, small companies that need them for cad/gaming/etc are all customers

they all have the opportunity to buy

 

if you really wanted the card when released you would have purchased  along with supply and demand

plain and simple

 

thats like my kid bitching about all the zelda botw master edition being sold out and none left for him at regular price after he saved up of it knowing the price

shit happens, I can give you more examples but I dont want to shit on your entitlement thinking  of a product is for one class of people even though it serves many when they are priced as so too

 

not to mention these miners are prolly the ones that are paying for next couple gens of R and D

but their money shouldnt be as good as yours

 

[asus killer]

latency is also important

[johnukguy]

The way things are going, any tech utilizing this will likely cost the average person a years salary.

[BuckGup]

19 hours ago, dizmo said:

I think your post is missing some pretty important information...like how at a 384bit bus, GDDR6 does 864 GB/s. That absolutely crushes HBM2.

HBM3 is what will be most interesting.

 

Isn't HBM2 rated for 1.2TB/s though

[asus killer]

36 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

The way things are going, any tech utilizing this will likely cost the average person a years salary.

lets hope this has an insane latency so miners can go f themselfes

[leadeater]

21 hours ago, asus killer said:

lets hope this has an insane latency so miners can go f themselfes

Math joke?