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1 hour ago, SC2Mitch said:

is it bad that I'm considering a Xbox Scorpio over a gpu? I can't be fucked with these prices

Just get a console :)

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50 minutes ago, Bit_Guardian said:

Never bet long-term against the blue beast. That kind of thought has burned everyone, even Warren Buffet and Soros.

I have no doubt about them making powerful dedicated graphics cards, I have doubt about them focusing on the gaming aspect like game optimisation for example.

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To start no, it won't slow down anytime soon. Unless you see a catastrophic plummeting of bitcoin back to like 100 bucks over night demand will keep all miners alive.

 

Nvidia and AMD will be just fine since they'll keep just making money by the way. If anything next generation a 2080 will end up launching at like 2000 bucks MSRP because why the hell not, miners can pay it.

 

The issue here is the rest of the gaming industry that's going to be, and pardon my french here, too fucking stupid to react in time (i.e. they already are quite late in their reaction) So I know I've been saying this for at least a full year and it hasn't really come to fruition, but with the weakening of hardware sales on top of increasing complains from publishers that they just can't make the profits they expect (as they continue to push the consumer harder and harder with their nickle and dime bullshit) I think we might see a huge crash on the videogame industry at this rate.

 

So far we got the elements: we're close to what we'd call peak interest with publishers failing miserably to foresee that. On top of that the hardware side is really going to hurt publishers that already need to think about slowing down their tech advancements in visual fidelity and game scope because not only are their costs getting out of control but hardware costs are just out of reach for people meaning most will stop upgrading altogether and just play what they can.

 

So you've got deep rooted issues with Publishers and their budgets with no foreseeable solution and deep rooted issues with hardware availability and demand (for gamers) that also has no foreseeable solution. The industry will just collapse. PC gaming will be relevated to just indie games and things that can work on current hardware or low end gpus, consoles will need to wait longer and longer cycles due to hardware costs with dwindling sales figures so they'll crash too.


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Random thought for those struggling to find a 1080Ti at sane price - how is the Titan Xp Star Wars edition where you are? The pricing of those (in UK) hasn't budged. A big enough rise in 1080Ti pricing could make them viable as an alternative.


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4 hours ago, asus killer said:

i already said here what steve was saying in the video. Companies can make big money today, but they are potentially killing the PC gaming that took so long to be raised from almost death. 

These companies are only thinking short term. When the mining craziness ends lets see if there is still a PC market for them so make money of.

 

44 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

 

Sorry but that's not going to happen. Not in the way you'd guess. If bitcoin "crashes" at this point it might mean it just goes back to 7000 or 8000 bucks. That'd be a severe setback but at most it would just roll back the ROI of the very top end cards like the 1070 and 1080s but the midrange cards were already experiencing increased prices back when bitcoin was at that range so for most gamers even a crash means that over the course of 3 or 4 months for supply to recover they might be able to get a 400 bucks card at a slight MSRP bump and that's it: not really a solution considering the midrange cards are the ones people are after and would still be out of reach.


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46 minutes ago, johnukguy said:

Do you even look at the exchange charts? that is a very select time slot, from Nov 2017 and farther BTC is still higher, it is just going through a spike and correction. it seems to be leveling off around 10,000-11,000 which as far as I know is higher then the 6,500 just before the big climb.

 

https://www.bitstamp.net/market/tradeview/

 

https://blockchain.info/charts/market-price


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3 hours ago, SC2Mitch said:

is it bad that I'm considering a Xbox Scorpio over a gpu? I can't be fucked with these prices

That would be something very logical rn with GPU and RAM prices.


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4 minutes ago, epic_ziver_D said:

That would be something very logical rn with GPU and RAM prices.

Thankfully, I don't require super-high-end graphics to enjoy gaming on my PC. :P

 

Though RIP for those with a broken card or need to build new. Might be better to survive off the iGPU for awhile.

 


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1 hour ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Thankfully, I don't require super-high-end graphics to enjoy gaming on my PC. :P

 

Though RIP for those with a broken card or need to build new. Might be better to survive off the iGPU for awhile.

 

Same here. I’m shooting for a GT 1030 or better. Hopefully I’ll get a decent card eventually. Small Form Factor makes it hard to find a decent card.


Who needs fancy graphics and high resolutions when you can get a 60 FPS frame rate on iGPUs?

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3 hours ago, Misanthrope said:

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I don't know if you are right, but it's an interestingly formulated prediction.

 

1 hour ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Though RIP for those with a broken card or need to build new. Might be better to survive off the iGPU for awhile.

 

Or go used. Not all older cards make sense for mining. People has been shitting on multi-GPU for so long that no one will dare to say it, but maybe we are seeing a clear opportunity to take advantage for SLI/CFX for those who want an upgrade from older cards. I don't think something as a used GTX 970 is priced that insanely, even if more expensive than before the boom, and on the AMD side I think the craziness stops at the R9 280(x) or 380(x), although maybe the X90s aren't that expensive relative to gaming performance. Are Furys used for mining? I would think power consumption is too high, but maybe it's like Vega. Anyway, that would be for people really trying to get every FPS despite all the mining. For most, Kepler-Maxell cards or (rebranded or not) HD 7XXXs will game just fine.

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Here in Kuwait the prices have moved up a tier for each card

The 1030 is at the 1050 price point

The 1050Ti at the 1060 3gb and so on

 

It's ridiculous

 

My bro has an R9 290 that has concked off and I am dreading what to recommend to replace it

 

A better option in my opinion, for those on a budget, is to scan for second hand NVIDIA 9 series

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9 hours ago, asus killer said:

i already said here what steve was saying in the video. Companies can make big money today, but they are potentially killing the PC gaming that took so long to be raised from almost death. 

These companies are only thinking short term. When the mining craziness ends lets see if there is still a PC market for them so make money of.

Are they really? I mean right now sure gamers are pissed because they can't get the cards at msrp or even close to it, and this whole crypto currency mania might last until the end of the year and then come back again, while it will have its ups and downs which will allow people to buy the cards are "reasonable" prices. I honestly don't think it's going to go in the next 10 years, unless the governments intervene.

Personally I don't think it's going to affect them or the PC gaming industry almost at all. Yes, of course some gamers are pissed right now, but it's just a loud minority. The ones that want to play AAA games will almost certainly get a console, while pc gamers will probably fix themselves on Overwatch, PUBG, CSGO, LOL and indie games, you know games that don't really require a lot of graphics horse power to run them (apart from PUBG :) that thing is the new Crysis but without the good graphics)

 

I know the argument of brand loyalty down the line, since we gamers will continue to buy from these companies years from now thus supporting them in the long run, while the miners don't care about the brand, but about what makes them the most amount of money.

But is that really true? As long as AMD and Nvidia put out products that do a good job at mining, then why wouldn't the miners continue to buy their cards 5 years from now?

So as long that's a thing, AMD and Nvidia and anyone else who benefits from this, don't give a fuck about us gamers.

As long as the money keeps coming, who cares who's buying the cards and what they're doing with them?

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Here is my theory: 

on the one hand we have gpu prices high the reason we all say - miners, but if the price is high it means 2 things:

- there is a high demand or there is a shortage in supply I susspect that there is second reason (supply side). It is also known that niether amd nor nvidia can not increase their production capabilities instantly. The prises went up in the summer and went back down by september. Price of the cripto currency can not spike the demand instantly. 

On the other hand some news said that samsung started to mass produce gddr6, samsung will not make gddr6 unless there is a demand for it.

the only thing that goes into my head is that the new gen nvidia gpu is ready and nvidia is making new chips as much as it can to get as many cards on the market then they announce "the new card" in order to avoid the same mistake that amd did with vega

and if they make new chips they can not make the old ones and this is the reason for shortage and high prices


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looking today its pretty crazy, either their just not in stock or Marked up drastically, Mostly checking newegg and amazon (canada)

 

1070: $679

1070 ti: $702 to 1219

1080: $839 to 999

1080 ti: 1190 to 1700

Titans: anywhere from 1800 to 4k

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8 hours ago, WereCat said:

I have no doubt about them making powerful dedicated graphics cards, I have doubt about them focusing on the gaming aspect like game optimisation for example.

To fill out their foundries and give themselves options? I don't. Thing is, Intel has the foundry space to be able to segment its markets. Develop a gaming-only lineup that only does DX, OpenGL, and Vulkan, develop a prosumer version with OpenCL that still vastly undercuts FirePro/Quadro, and develop an equivalent to Teslas. The difference will literally be in the driver stack. That's cheaper than you think.

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59 minutes ago, Gullerback said:

looking today its pretty crazy, either their just not in stock or Marked up drastically, Mostly checking newegg and amazon (canada)

 

1070: $679

1070 ti: $702 to 1219

1080: $839 to 999

1080 ti: 1190 to 1700

Titans: anywhere from 1800 to 4k

 

For the most part, the Crypto-mining hasn't impacted Canadian retailers as bad yet...

 

For an example:

GTX 1070 EVGA ACX 3.0 Black Edition is $614 on Memory Express...which is $490 USD?

That is pretty normal IMO.

Of course, most places are out-of-stock, but will see how that impacts price once they come back.

 

 


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1 hour ago, -rascal- said:

 

For the most part, the Crypto-mining hasn't impacted Canadian retailers as bad yet...

 

For an example:

GTX 1070 EVGA ACX 3.0 Black Edition is $614 on Memory Express...which is $490 USD?

That is pretty normal IMO.

Of course, most places are out-of-stock, but will see how that impacts price once they come back.

 

 

I got my old 1070 in october for 492, i would not say its exactly normal

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On 1/18/2018 at 5:45 AM, Misanthrope said:

 

 

Sorry but that's not going to happen. Not in the way you'd guess. If bitcoin "crashes" at this point it might mean it just goes back to 7000 or 8000 bucks. That'd be a severe setback but at most it would just roll back the ROI of the very top end cards like the 1070 and 1080s but the midrange cards were already experiencing increased prices back when bitcoin was at that range so for most gamers even a crash means that over the course of 3 or 4 months for supply to recover they might be able to get a 400 bucks card at a slight MSRP bump and that's it: not really a solution considering the midrange cards are the ones people are after and would still be out of reach.

Nice try but you guys are in for a very bumpy ride. It won't be the end of cryptocurrencies sure, but billions have already been lost and it's not a normal 'correction.' Those who are up to date with what's going on with cryptocurrencies know full well that it's got far more to do with potential regulation and outright banning of crypto in several countries:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/18/16905040/bitcoin-crash-cryptocurrency-value-ethereum-regulation
 

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Random thought: how does used pricing for previous generation cards look?

 

A quick look on ebay UK shows 980Ti are going around £300. This compares to any in stock 1070 at around £440 although out of stock ones may be listed for less, not that that is going to help you. For gaming, they're comparable in performance. I haven't looked to see if that also applies further down the chain. I think this still leaves the door open to an upper mainstream affordable gaming build.


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On 1/18/2018 at 2:58 PM, Bit_Guardian said:

To fill out their foundries and give themselves options? I don't. Thing is, Intel has the foundry space to be able to segment its markets. Develop a gaming-only lineup that only does DX, OpenGL, and Vulkan, develop a prosumer version with OpenCL that still vastly undercuts FirePro/Quadro, and develop an equivalent to Teslas. The difference will literally be in the driver stack. That's cheaper than you think.

If intel actually had gpu intellectual property do you think they would be partnering with either Amd/NVIDIA gpu ip is what they need and its what they lack, could they design a complete new ip sure but its not at all that simple its like making a new x86 cpu but without being able to use any of the past 30 years of experience to design it at this moment amd/nvidia have that corner of the market covered. Its the reason intel has been perusing A.I infrastructure processes.

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19 hours ago, Ddarlington36 said:

If intel actually had gpu intellectual property do you think they would be partnering with either Amd/NVIDIA gpu ip is what they need and its what they lack, could they design a complete new ip sure but its not at all that simple its like making a new x86 cpu but without being able to use any of the past 30 years of experience to design it at this moment amd/nvidia have that corner of the market covered. Its the reason intel has been perusing A.I infrastructure processes.

They do have IP. They've been developing GPU architectures for more than 10 years now. That said, I know they will have to buy access to various fundamental patents, but Intel has the money to do that just fine.

 

No partnering required. AMD, Imagination, ARM, and Nvidia all cross-license patents to each other as needed.

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5 minutes ago, SC2Mitch said:

Some gtx 1050tis are now approaching 190 pound on Amazon holy shit, hello Xbox one

if i only would play AAA games Xbox One X paired with Keyboard and Mouse is a way better deal then a PC

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