More Intel leaks.. this one is not good though

[Taf the Ghost]

I know the Enthusiast side of the PC market will care about the gaming performance alone, the real question is how deeply this'll effect the VM & Cloud markets. And the nature in which that performance hit happens. If it's 15% under full load, is that Max or is it 15% at every level of load below that? 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

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Thing is getting so serious with all the speculation though that now I seen a thread about what CPU to get for high end gaming and people said Ryzen instead of the i7 8700k... even when the main article on the subject already goes like:

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Will my games get slower?

Probably not. Phoronix also tested Dota 2, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, Dawn of War III, F1 2017, and The Talos Principle on a Linux 4.15-rc6 machine with a Core i7-8700K and Radeon Vega 64. None saw a frame rate change outside the margin of error range.

What an intense day this has been.

[core0]

With this going on and ryzen+ release in late february/early march, might be time to buy more AMD stock.

[Mira Yurizaki]

5 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Thing is getting so serious with all the speculation though that now I seen a thread about what CPU to get for high end gaming and people said Ryzen instead of the i7 8700k... even when the main article on the subject already goes like:

What an intense day this has been.

I kind of stopped caring about those threads. Before a voice of reason steps in a flock of lambs have already claimed the pasture.

 

5 minutes ago, core0 said:

With this going on and ryzen+ release in late february/early march, might be time to buy more AMD stock.

And then what? AMD seems to have nothing resembling a longer term plan other than another refresh of Ryzen and probably Vega.

[core0]

3 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

And then what? AMD seems to have nothing resembling a longer term plan other than another refresh of Ryzen and probably Vega.

I mean, I already got some shares for $10, buy some more now. Last March at Ryzen 7 release, AMD stock went up to $15. If it goes back to $15, maybe even higher, gonna make decent money.

[just_dave]

I dont want to be biased for any manafacturer, but i think this will equalize Intel and AMD in terms of performance (Intel might loose its 10-20% single performance increase over AMD) making the Intel chips stupid choices.

I dont think that 30% loss is possible, only like 15-20% at max

[porina]

We've only seen limited testing on Linux, and things may be better or worse when we get a Windows update also. It will certainly depend on the tasks so you can't just throw out a single number. Let's wait and see...

[cj09beira]

7 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I kind of stopped caring about those threads. Before a voice of reason steps in a flock of lambs have already claimed the pasture.

 

And then what? AMD seems to have nothing resembling a longer term plan other than another refresh of Ryzen and probably Vega.

lol, did you even researched anything, they already said they are working on a scalable gpu (probably fixes the biggest gcn problem) which is huge, they are working on huge server cpus, entering the server market which is a very large market, with a very compelling product, if anything its just going to get better, the refresh of ryzen also will help with the clock speed difference 

[Subtle Corruption]

What actual intel CPU gens are hit by this?

 

And i have a gut feeling intel knew of this already but pushed and pushed for market share and dominance for this length of time up until it will bite them on their ass, amassing enough to barely be hit by the problem hoping Windows will fix it for them.

[cj09beira]

6 minutes ago, dave_k said:

I dont want to be biased for any manafacturer, but i think this will equalize Intel and AMD in terms of performance (Intel might loose its 10-20% single performance increase over AMD) making the Intel chips stupid choices.

I dont think that 30% loss is possible, only like 15-20% at max

it seems it really depends on what the program is doing as it seems things like gaming isn't affected but other types of work is significantly 

[ItsMitch]

1 minute ago, Subtle Corruption said:

What actual intel CPU gens are hit by this?

 

All the way back to Sandy Bridge and some Pentiums from back in the day are apparently going to be hit

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, Subtle Corruption said:

What actual intel CPU gens are hit by this?

 

And i have a gut feeling intel knew of this already but pushed and pushed for market share and dominance for this length of time up until it will bite them on their ass, amassing enough to barely be hit by the problem hoping Windows will fix it for them.

it seems anything thats from intel in the last decade (so probably the whole Core lineup )

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, cj09beira said:

lol, did you even researched anything, they already said they are working on a scalable gpu (probably fixes the biggest gcn problem) which is huge, they are working on huge server cpus, entering the server market which is a very large market, with a very compelling product, if anything its just going to get better, the refresh of ryzen also will help with the clock speed difference 

And then what?

[cj09beira]

2 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

And then what?

you do know that ALL companies only give the public a small amount of info of next products.

and all that i said is a lot, and also more innovative than anything intel is doing.

(seems like i am talking to a wall here)

[ItsMitch]

6 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

And then what?

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, cj09beira said:

you do know that ALL companies only give the public a small amount of info of next products.

and all that i said is a lot, and also more innovative than anything intel is doing.

(seems like i am talking to a wall here)

Yeah, well, the feeling's mutual.

[Drak3]

7 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

And then what?

Theoretically, next gen 295x2, but with lower clocks and visible to the OS only as one GPU. The best Crossfire can do, and not less.

 

But we'll see.

[Mira Yurizaki]

1 minute ago, Drak3 said:

Theoretically, next gen 295x2, but with lower clocks and visible to the OS only as one GPU. The best Crossfire can do, and not less.

 

But we'll see.

That sounds pretty neat.

[leadeater]

27 minutes ago, M.Yurizaki said:

And then what? AMD seems to have nothing resembling a longer term plan other than another refresh of Ryzen and probably Vega.

What's Intel's long term plan? What's Intel's plan been so far .

 

AMD's plan is not any different to Intel's, AMD just doesn't change the name for each iteration (Zen+, Zen 2, Zen 3) unlike Intel so it looks more stagnant.

[.spider.]

19 minutes ago, Subtle Corruption said:

What actual intel CPU gens are hit by this?

 

Afaik Pentium Pro and later 

[Taf the Ghost]

18 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

it seems it really depends on what the program is doing as it seems things like gaming isn't affected but other types of work is significantly 

Honestly, we won't know until we're testing under Windows. Most of the testing has been in Vulkan-based Linux games. While they work, they don't max out GPUs in the way that the Windows driver can.

 

Though I really don't expect this to effect any games, with the possible exception of something like CS:GO at ultra-high FPS. Anything that effects anything, at that level of FPS, is going to cause a performance penalty. But we have to talk about the X299 platform and if this is going to run into more issues with Mesh rather than Ring Bus, which really just means that Steve at Hardware Unboxed is going to lose a lot of sleep.

[Mira Yurizaki]

Just now, leadeater said:

What's Intel's long term plan? What's Intel's plan been so far .

 

AMD's plan is not any different to Intel's, AMD just doesn't change the name for each iteration unlike Intel so it looks more stagnant.

I don't really feel AMD has something that instills confidence past 2020. Especially when their lead processor architects left. Maybe they have someone brewing up the next big thing, but it's an uncertainty. At least Intel has more or less created a pattern for itself and stuck with it.

 

But I guess I should stop here before I incur the wrath of people wanting to throw molotovs at me for being an apologetic.

[.spider.]

What is the first Intel CPU with PCID support?

[leadeater]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

But I guess I should stop here before I incur the wrath of people wanting to throw molotovs at me for being an apologetic.

But.. I just lit mine, now where am I supposed to throw it?

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, M.Yurizaki said:

I don't really feel AMD has something that instills confidence past 2020. Especially when their lead processor architects left. Maybe they have someone brewing up the next big thing, but it's an uncertainty. At least Intel has more or less created a pattern for itself and stuck with it.

 

But I guess I should stop here before I incur the wrath of people wanting to throw molotovs at me for being an apologetic.

well when you are building a cpu from cratch its important that you have the best minds in the business but when you have a good architecture going, all you need is improving it, and because zen is so new its easier to improve