Logan Paul Posts Footage of Apparent Suicide Victim on YouTube

[Misanthrope]

11 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I laugh at so much shit on r/watchpeopledie 

 

They're dead, it's not like they care or that I'm going to meet their families.

With 15 million subs he probably has 500k to 1 million japanese subs so chances are actually reasonable it might get to family or friends of the victim.

[Unhelpful]

12 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

I laugh at so much shit on r/watchpeopledie 

 

They're dead, it's not like they care or that I'm going to meet their families.

I'm legitimately curious, how can you do that? Does it not occur to you that the person is actually a real person that is just as important as you? And that it could just as easily be you or someone you know?

[AnonymousGuy]

16 minutes ago, JoeyDM said:

I'm legitimately curious, how can you do that? Does it not occur to you that the person is actually a real person that is just as important as you? And that it could just as easily be you or someone you know?

To me it's no different than watching a TV show where the drama is all actors.  Especially if it's  happening in a third world or China (god China is gold for traffic fuckery), very detached from it.

 

There is stuff that I can't handle watching. Cartel killings are really brutal and I'm not really interested in watching a guy get stabbed in the chest 30 times and bleed to death.  But a guy doing a backflip off a 4th story onto concrete because he's an idiot and thought his friends could catch him?  Darwin Award right there.

[arnavvr]

On 1/2/2018 at 5:55 AM, BuckGup said:

Alright I have made my conclusion final. Bad parenting is the reason Youtube sucks now. They just give their kids tablets and phones so they don't have to entertain them and then they watch this stuff or those pornographic toy channels.

No, I don't think that's what this is. He specifically mentions that this was never shot on YouTube before. I feel like he was trying to get some kind of fame from this, and it backfired hard.

[Sauron]

8 minutes ago, AnonymousGuy said:

To me it's no different than watching a TV show where the drama is all actors.  Especially if it's  happening in a third world or China (god China is gold for traffic fuckery), very detached from it.

 

There is stuff that I can't handle watching. Cartel killings are really brutal and I'm not really interested in watching a guy get stabbed in the chest 30 times and bleed to death.  But a guy doing a backflip off a 4th story onto concrete because he's an idiot and thought his friends could catch him?  Darwin Award right there.

Regardless of how stupid the situation was, finding someone's death funny is not normal... maybe you should see a psychiatrist. There can be real mental illnesses behind things like this and it's better to find out early.

 

As you said, in TV they are actors; even then, death scenes are not supposed to be funny most of the time, with some rare exceptions where the setting is so surreal and self aware that you can't possibly take it seriously.

3 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

No, I don't think that's what this is. He specifically mentions that this was never shot on YouTube before. I feel like he was trying to get some kind of fame from this, and it backfired hard.

Of course he was trying to go viral, that's what he does. It's quite literally his job. He didn't stop long enough to realize how bad this idea was. The video was posted just a few hours after being filmed. The guy just brushed it off and uploaded on schedule.

[arnavvr]

1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Regardless of how stupid the situation was, finding someone's death funny is not normal... maybe you should see a psychiatrist. There can be real mental illnesses behind things like this and it's better to find out early.

 

As you said, in TV they are actors; even then, death scenes are not supposed to be funny most of the time, with some rare exceptions where the setting is so surreal and self aware that you can't possibly take it seriously.

Of course he was trying to go viral, that's what he does. It's quite literally his job. He didn't stop long enough to realize how bad this idea was. The video was posted just a few hours after being filmed. The guy just brushed it off and uploaded on schedule.

This is a low for Logan, I actually didn't mind him that much, it was his brother Jake who I had a problem with. That changed yesterday.

[BuckGup]

33 minutes ago, arnavvr said:

No, I don't think that's what this is. He specifically mentions that this was never shot on YouTube before. I feel like he was trying to get some kind of fame from this, and it backfired hard.

Nah finding dead bodies has totally been shown before

[vorticalbox]

On 02/01/2018 at 8:23 AM, Cinnabar Sonar said:

First off, filming a dead body isn't cool, and while I realize that he may have wanted "proof", so someone can't call him a liar, that's not an adequate reason.

By cool I assume you mean "okay to do" and to that I say Why? People film stuff all the time why should filming a body not be "okay"? 

 

On 02/01/2018 at 8:23 AM, Cinnabar Sonar said:

Second, why did he go to suicide forest in the first place?  To talk about the "haunted" aspects of it?  People have died there, I find that pretty distasteful in the first place.

This is just stupid by this logic every "haunted" building or place is distasteful and that isn't the case. Perfectly okay to film in a place people have died regardless of how they died. 

 

On 02/01/2018 at 8:23 AM, Cinnabar Sonar said:

Third, if he wanted to raise suicide awareness, he could have done it in a much better way.  Such as talking about his experiences with the incident while in his hotel room.

You know there have documentaries about that place that show bodies. One I watched a woman was hanging from a tree. That documentary wouldn't have been any where near as effective if it was just a guy talking about. 

 

On 02/01/2018 at 8:37 AM, mr moose said:

I agree with your sentiment.   Suicide is such a major topic,   Individual opinions on what's appropriate aren't enough justification for somethings. 

What else is there to go on? The person has taken their life so the only way to shed light on what happened is to go look, ask people the person knew, look Into online life and conclude with the opions that come from that information.

 

You can never know what that person was thinking and that is as close as you can get. 

 

I haven't actually watched the video and there maybe be many reasons that it's inappropriate, however I don't believe these are reasons why. 

[Castdeath97]

8 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

 

By cool I assume you mean "okay to do" and to that I say Why? People film stuff all the time why should filming a body not be "okay"? 

 

This is just stupid by this logic every "haunted" building or place is distasteful and that isn't the case. Perfectly okay to film in a place people have died regardless of how they died. 

 

You know there have documentaries about that place that show bodies. One I watched a woman was hanging from a tree. That documentary wouldn't have been any where near as effective if it was just a guy talking about. 

 

What else is there to go on? The person has taken their life so the only way to shed light on what happened is to go look, ask people the person knew, look Into online life and conclude with the opions that come from that information.

 

You can never know what that person was thinking and that is as close as you can get. 

 

I haven't actually watched the video and there maybe be many reasons that it's inappropriate, however I don't believe these are reasons why. 

He joked around near a dead body, filmed it against laws (guards told him he can't film) and without concern about his family. If this isn't inappropriate I don't know what is....

 

Go look for a streamable for it or something and take a look yourself. 

[Castdeath97]

Correction: Seems to be incorrect according to Boogie:

 

I'm still doubtful about it since there seems to be some screenshot evidence but I would assume otherwise for now.

 

 

 

Apparently the apology video was monetised:

 

 

 

The monetisation seems to be gone now but this is unreal...

Edited January 3, 2018 by Castdeath97
IMPORTANT CORRECTION

[vorticalbox]

11 minutes ago, Castdeath97 said:

He joked around near a dead body, filmed it against laws (guards told him he can't film) and without concern about his family. If this isn't inappropriate I don't know what is....

 

Go look for a streamable for it or something and take a look yourself. 

In which case sure. Breaking the law on camera is just stupid.

 

How is filming without permission inappropriate? New stations don't get family permission to film things. 

[Misanthrope]

31 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

In which case sure. Breaking the law on camera is just stupid.

 

How is filming without permission inappropriate? New stations don't get family permission to film things. 

So is it your position that Logan Paul is anywhere on the same fucking realm of existence as a Journalist? Or do you just want to basically afford the freedom of the press to any stupid fucking vlogger with an iphone?

[Unhelpful]

1 hour ago, AnonymousGuy said:

To me it's no different than watching a TV show where the drama is all actors.  Especially if it's  happening in a third world or China (god China is gold for traffic fuckery), very detached from it.

 

There is stuff that I can't handle watching. Cartel killings are really brutal and I'm not really interested in watching a guy get stabbed in the chest 30 times and bleed to death.  But a guy doing a backflip off a 4th story onto concrete because he's an idiot and thought his friends could catch him?  Darwin Award right there.

Thanks for your answer, please understand that what I'm saying isn't meant to be an attack or picking you out. I'm just trying to understand this mentality / mindset.

 

It is very different than watching a TV show. It isn't actors. Those are lives, just as real and important as yours or mine. And people do stupid shit and die, that doesn't mean that they are any less people and that their lives were any less important.

 

Were you always desensitized from gore / loss of human life? Or was it progressive? How does it feel to lose someone you know (if you've experienced that)?

[Castdeath97]

19 minutes ago, vorticalbox said:

In which case sure. Breaking the law on camera is just stupid.

 

How is filming without permission inappropriate? New stations don't get family permission to film things. 

How do you assume they don't? And don't you think doing otherwise is inconsiderate of family, friends and loved ones?

 

Not sure if you ever had the misfortune of meeting who suffered from depression that serious or God forbid someone who lost his life because of it. This isn't something trivial, and most certainly not something to laugh and joke over, especially if it's a real person and for a -let's be honest- an audience of children. Suffering a loss like that is devastating to people around the victim:

 

https://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/guides-to-support-and-services/bereavement/#.Wk0y5Ty6maM

 

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/healthadvice/problemsdisorders/bereavement.aspx?theme=mobile

 

Just because you saw a documentary which did it (which I'm sure didn't mock and joke about it) means nothing since: a) it isn't not equivalent b) it's wrong if they didn't without permission. This is a sensitive issue, some families and love ones suffer for years because of this. I'm sure you don't want to be in their position, having to endure someone mocking your dead loved one or someone who suffered the same fate is painful for sure.

[vorticalbox]

39 minutes ago, Misanthrope said:

So is it your position that Logan Paul is anywhere on the same fucking realm of existence as a Journalist? Or do you just want to basically afford the freedom of the press to any stupid fucking vlogger with an iphone?

Neither just wondering why you thought the way to your did  

[mr moose]

2 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

 

By cool I assume you mean "okay to do" and to that I say Why? People film stuff all the time why should filming a body not be "okay"? 

 

This is just stupid by this logic every "haunted" building or place is distasteful and that isn't the case. Perfectly okay to film in a place people have died regardless of how they died. 

 

You know there have documentaries about that place that show bodies. One I watched a woman was hanging from a tree. That documentary wouldn't have been any where near as effective if it was just a guy talking about. 

 

What else is there to go on? The person has taken their life so the only way to shed light on what happened is to go look, ask people the person knew, look Into online life and conclude with the opions that come from that information.

 

You can never know what that person was thinking and that is as close as you can get. 

 

I haven't actually watched the video and there maybe be many reasons that it's inappropriate, however I don't believe these are reasons why. 

Suicide has so may facets and is so individual that presenting information on it beyond a very dry and sterile position can have disastrous effects.  We are not talking about presenting a video at all, we are talking about the way and the information that is presented.  Nothing can be assumed and everything has to be qualified.  I.E you shouldn't show a dead body because that is disrespectful to the family and that might be the straw another family member needs to also take their life. Also theories into the mindset should be clearly presented as theories, postulations as postulations and personal opinions should be avoided at all costs.  

 

In essence not one of us (not even those with serious experience and education) are in a position where such meanderings carry no consequence.   In short suicide is not a topic you chose for views or entertainment unless you are a fucking twat.  

 

EDIT: Although I should add, because it seems to have been missed from my first post,  that this is about using personal opinions as reasoning to produce certain content.  Which does not work on this topic, It's fine to have any opinion you want on the topic and I am not trying to argue that someone is wrong because of their personal opinion, what I am saying is that that opinion in many cases can have detrimental effects on those who are already suicidal. 

[Skanky Sylveon]

7 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

By cool I assume you mean "okay to do" and to that I say Why? People film stuff all the time why should filming a body not be "okay"? 

Are you fucking serious?

7 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

This is just stupid by this logic every "haunted" building or place is distasteful and that isn't the case. Perfectly okay to film in a place people have died regardless of how they died. 

If you are being respectful, sure.  I would consider filming something goofy at a place where many have died distasteful.

Would you make a goofy video while at the remains of a nazi concentration camp?

How about Chernobyl?  Filming is fine, making a silly 2spooky video is kind of inappropriate in that situation though.

7 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

You know there have documentaries about that place that show bodies. One I watched a woman was hanging from a tree. That documentary wouldn't have been any where near as effective if it was just a guy talking about. 

They usually don't have someone being silly next to a corpse. 

Not to mention, those videos are usually age restricted, and they probably had permission from the dead ones family.

They usually tell people how they could help those who are contemplating suicide.

 

Hell, they usually have the suicide hotline number at the beginning of the video, something that Logan didn't do.  Read edit.

 

You have to be very careful when talking about suicide, people who think about killing themselves are severely depressed, to a level that frankly, I can't understand.

Do you really think that this was an appropriate way to handle the topic?

 

I think that @mr moose shares somewhat similar opinions.

I personally find the whole act disrespectful.  However, beyond that, this kind of content could be harmful to someone who is already suicidal.

 

Edit: According to Boogie, Logan did have the suicide hotline number in his original video.  I only saw a cut variant, so I was mistaken with that.

 

[Theminecraftaddict555]

Talking about how YT is pretty much being a hyprocrite for removing people's videos criticizing jake paul about the incident but yet allowing reuploads of the incident to youtube.

 

I know this is keemstar, but even then a broken clock can be right twice a day

[Castdeath97]

1 hour ago, Theminecraftaddict555 said:

Talking about how YT is pretty much being a hyprocrite for removing people's videos criticizing jake paul about the incident but yet allowing reuploads of the incident to youtube.

 

I know this is keemstar, but even then a broken clock can be right twice a day

Yep happened to a couple of youtubers:

 

 

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Cinnabar Sonar said:

You have to be very careful when talking about suicide, people who think about killing themselves are severely depressed, to a level that frankly, I can't understand.

Do you really think that this was an appropriate way to handle the topic?

 

I think that @mr moose shares somewhat similar opinions.

I personally find the whole act disrespectful.  However, beyond that, this kind of content could be harmful to someone who is already suicidal.

 

 

 

 

Yes I agree.  This situation is not about validating or undermining personal opinions (suicidality is way to complex to really understand let alone assume supremacy over).  It is about recognizing that certain content might be fine for one person even helpful, but for another it could be the final straw.    Some people cope by mocking or laughing at such things, others need to talk quietly about it.  It doesn't matter which one we are, what matters is that we are considerate that not everyone else shares the same coping mechanisms.  And this is before we even start to consider if the video was in poor taste, derisory or just a selfish money grab. 

[LAwLz]

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

You seem extremely mad at my response. Seems like you read it, but didn't really READ into it. For one, they weren't laughing or posing next to the body. THEY were shaken up about the experience and Logan even admitted to his coping mechanism (WHICH EXISTS IN PEOPLE).

I did read your post, and I did READ into it. It's just that it has the depth of a kiddy pool and seems to be written by someone that belongs in there too. 

 

Yes they were laughing and posing next to the body. But like I wrote earlier:

On 1/2/2018 at 1:49 PM, LAwLz said:

Even if we assume that he is telling the truth that he only laughed because "he was in shock and did it to cope with the situation", he still made he active description, several hours later when editing the video, to include that part. Imagine being so out of touch with the world that you are completely OK with showing millions of people how you laugh at the body of someone who committed suicide.

Again, even if we assume Logan has an ounce of decency in him and is not a pure bread psychopath (not a term I am using lightly by the way) he is still a moron for leaving it in and posting the video. This was not a livestream. He recorded the footage, looked through it, decided to leave the parts where he jokes and laughs in the video, and then upload it. It seems like it didn't even occur to him that it is extremely distasteful.

Yes, I get that it might have been his coping mechanism, but it, along with other things, makes him look like an asshole, but it doesn't even seem like he realized that (probably because he is a narcissist).

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

I'm not saying he's a "hero". Far from it. But because he went there to create "content", he ended up finding someone's lost child. Think about that.

For someone who "isn't saying he is a hero", you sure seem to try very hard to make it seem like he did a good thing.

"He found someone's lost child!". Yes he did. He could have done that without figuratively pissing on the dead man and his family.

I am thinking about how he "found a lost child". I am also thinking of how horrible the family of the "lost child" must feel if they were unfortunate enough to see this video. Do you think they would feel good seeing some moron in a funny hat laugh and pose next to their dead son? I don't think so, so please stop trying to push that Logan did something good. He didn't. He is a despicable human being.

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

They could have EASILY stayed the night there and returned later on. But they didn't. They stayed away from that place and went back to their hotels. So yes, they left respectfully. 

Leaving was actually not a sign of respect at all. What he should have done was contact someone. But even if leaving was the bare minimum of respect, everything they did before and after was extremely disrespectful. Doing the extreme minimum of common courtesy does not make him a good person who is immune to criticism for all the despicable things he did before and after.

The fact that you think Logan was being respectful is quite frankly mind boggling to me. I am genuinely curious, do you have mental development issues? Because you claim to be 22 and yet your social abilities seems to be on par with someone half that age. Not trying to be mean or anything, just want to know what type of person I am talking to. If you do have a mental disability then I don't think our conversation will lead anywhere. 

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

Nothing about his video was entirely "wrong". To film a dead body, that depends on the individual.

Here is the thing, just because you think something is alright does not mean everyone else does. I might think pissing on a corpse is completely OK, but I would not do it at a funeral because others might not appreciate the gesture. The same applies here. Just because you or Logan thinks something is alright does not mean others do. That's what respect is. Showing regards for others' feelings. Both you and Logan seems 100% focused on yourselves, your ideas, your beliefs. That's not what respect is.

 

Did he ask for permission? No. In fact, he even got told to not film by what I presume is a tour guide, or some other person working there. Yet they not only kept filming but they also uploaded what they had already filmed.

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

He just raised suicidal awareness for MILLIONS OF YOUNG VIEWERS that might have those thoughts.

What do you mean he raised awareness? Awareness that suicide is real? People already know that. Awareness that it is OK to walk up to dead bodies, film them and make jokes around them? I think he did more harm than good.

Stop trying to present him as a hero who made a good deed. He is an idiotic psychopath. Stop defending him.

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

Seeing someone popular like Logan take a risk and upload the video shows a lot of people that suicide is REAL. Something that a lot of people these days seem to brush off their shoulder and ignore. 

What do you mean "it's real"? Do you seriously believe that people think suicide is fake, and now they have had their eyes opened thanks to Logan?

Oh what a brave man Logan was. He was so brave and really took a risk by showing, joking and posing with a dead body. he sure is giving all his young audience some proper education by handling the situation is possibly the worst manner imaginable... (sarcasm)

Wanna know what he should have done if he was an actual decent human being and not a shame to the entire human race?

1) Check if the person was still alive. He may have looked dead, but a lot of people overdose before hanging themselves. For all we know, Logan might not have found a dead body. He might have found a living person which he filmed slowly dying.

2) Call for help. Don't just stand around and make jokes. Call the police, call the ambulance, shout to get the attention of someone. Do anything to help. Don't just film it, leave and then make jokes about it.

3) Show some respect. It's a dead person, not some prop you can use even if it's to "raise awareness". You can raise awareness without filming the body. 

4) Contact the suicide prevention house which is in the area. There are signs towards it everywhere, and they often play music so that you can find it through sound.

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

Instead of hearing about all the "bad" that these brothers have done, thanks to the media enlightening a bit over the top, you probably don't even like them anyways. So your mind was already made up on your stance about him. But what you lack to see, is the bigger picture. 

I see the bigger picture very clearly.

Yes I dislike the Paul brothers, but this has made me dislike them even more. Maybe, just maybe, I dislike them because they do shit like this? You're reversing the cause and effect.

 

On 1/3/2018 at 3:28 AM, Brehohn said:

He raised awareness with something scary to millions of people. He films his daily life and involves his viewers in that. So yes, he made a decision without thinking of some of the consequences that people could have felt, however, he probably didn't think because he's just used to uploading everything and anything. It's what he's used to at this point.

This paragraph contains what might be the only thing I agree with you on. Logan did not think. I am amazed that a person with such low cognitive ability can even operate a camera.

 

 

It's no surprise that Japan is xenophobic when white trash like Logan comes over and takes a shit all over their culture and inhabitants. If I was in charge I would have deported him and banned him from ever entering the country again.

 

For fuck sake, one of the first things Logan talked about was how he could probably not monetize the video. What a great guy... He just saw and filmed a dead body and one of the things that is on his mind is how much money he can make from it.

[Guest]

It’s extremely inappropriate to have content of this sort on YouTube in the first place. 

 

This user should have his account banned immediately. It’s disgusting to think money can be made of this content.

 

It is a huge issue to show a real dead body on a site like this. 

[Sauron]

19 hours ago, vorticalbox said:

You know there have documentaries about that place that show bodies. One I watched a woman was hanging from a tree. That documentary wouldn't have been any where near as effective if it was just a guy talking about. 

Except the producers of the documentary almost certainly had express permission from the family of that person. I'd also be willing to bet they didn't joke about it. On top of that, the documentary most likely had a well thought out message (as opposed to two generic anti-suicide statements they came up with on the spot to look like they care) and went into the details of why this happens and why there, trying to explain the situation rather than treating it like a freak show.

 

It's pointless to nitpick about the general idea of filming a dead person, there were circumstances and they were inappropriate. As you said, it made the documentary more effective by stimulating an emotional response; in much the same way, it made LP's video distasteful and disrespectful. You can't have it both ways - it either has a real impact or it doesn't, and I would say it does.