Apple apologizes over battery fisasco, will offer $29 battery replacements for 1 year

[DrMacintosh]

14 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Then why do people notice far better performance doing a factory reset (and then re-installing apps+using alternatives to default ones) after updating to the latest IOS version?

How is this related? 

 

Its like a clean Windows install, over time it collects junk and a reinstall/reset removes that junk. 

[dizmo]

1 hour ago, mrchow19910319 said:

remember after the new macbook pro was released, a lot of users/reviewers complained because the battery life they get from their macbook was not that great. (there is a % battery indicator with how many hours left approximately on the top right corner)

 

you know what apple did? 

they removed the "how many hours left" indicator. so now we only have % one. 

the user have no idea how long their macbook will last.

 

LOL

I don't remember because I don't follow most Apple news I just couldn't care less.

That's awfully hilarious though. How does no one complain about that?

[79wjd]

1 hour ago, Dabombinable said:

Ok. Provide evidence to the contrary.

So it's Apple's attempt to manipulate users into buying a new phone.....and yet this doesn't affect any of the Plus models.

[mrchow19910319]

1 minute ago, dizmo said:

I don't remember because I don't follow most Apple news I just couldn't care less.

That's awfully hilarious though. How does no one complain about that?

just like 99.99% of the news out there. people lose interest quickly. 

public minds are easily deceived/manipulated... 

 

i'm pretty sure that any negative news related to apple is well documented in this forum.

you just need to go through the news sections archive. and relive those raging moment when a non-apple user, got fed up at something they never (and will never as someone claimed) bought. 

 

ahhhh... fun times... fun times... 

[mr moose]

Just now, mrchow19910319 said:

just like 99.99% of the news out there. people lose interest quickly. 

public minds are easily deceived/manipulated... 

 

i'm pretty sure that any negative news related to apple is well documented in this forum.

you just need to go through the news sections archive. and relive those raging moment when a non-apple user, got fed up at something they never (and will never as someone claimed) bought. 

 

ahhhh... fun times... fun times... 

Some of us are apple users, we just don't own one of everything.   Also I enjoy a good intellectual debate regarding corporate ethics and product design, etc.

 

[DeScruff]

7 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Personally, I think it's simply Apple's way of making their devices last longer and be more reliable than other devices. I know there are people that don't want their phones slowing down over time(I mean, who does?), but it's a much better alternative compared to your phone shutting off entirely, particularly since we generally need our phones to be, well.....PHONES. If there's an emergency, having our phones shut off in the middle of an important phone call is terrible, and Apple's method is best for dealing with battery degradation. 

Eventually no amount of slowing it down will stop it from shutting off if there is a battery issue.  Just slowing down is delaying the inevitable, but not letting the person know the inevitable is coming. That emergency situation where the phone turns off randomly can still happen, though its just more likely the user would have replaced their phone before it gets to that point due to it feeling sluggish.
I'd argue if you want the device it's self to last longer, you let the person know something is wrong with it as you slow it down.

If the phone gets slower over a long time, the user might not even notice till they see how fast their friends iPhone is.
And what are they going to think? "Oh must be my battery must be dying" or "Oh wow the new iPhone is fast, I should upgrade".
- Ever hear the whole throw a frog in boiling water, and it will jump right out, but if you slowly boil the water it's in, it won't even notice?

[mrchow19910319]

1 minute ago, mr moose said:

Some of us are apple users, we just don't own one of everything.   Also I enjoy a good intellectual debate regarding corporate ethics and product design, etc.

i think it is a tricky subject. the thing about design is everyone has their own opinion.

corporate ethics? even more trickier. we all sympathize company we love and everyone of us is a little biased. 

 

 

[dizmo]

13 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

just like 99.99% of the news out there. people lose interest quickly. 

public minds are easily deceived/manipulated... 

 

i'm pretty sure that any negative news related to apple is well documented in this forum.

you just need to go through the news sections archive. and relive those raging moment when a non-apple user, got fed up at something they never (and will never as someone claimed) bought. 

 

ahhhh... fun times... fun times... 

I just don't care because I don't have any intention of buying Apple products

 

[mr moose]

10 minutes ago, mrchow19910319 said:

i think it is a tricky subject. the thing about design is everyone has their own opinion.

corporate ethics? even more trickier. we all sympathize company we love and everyone of us is a little biased. 

 

 

I enjoy debating against my ideals. Very quick way to check your biases and forge a solid understanding of the subject.   With regard to design, you are right, it is very end use specific, however many products like phones have a generic end user in mind and thus that end use case can be used to define any success or shortcoming.

[8uhbbhu8]

7 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Personally, I think it's simply Apple's way of making their devices last longer and be more reliable than other devices. I know there are people that don't want their phones slowing down over time(I mean, who does?), but it's a much better alternative compared to your phone shutting off entirely, particularly since we generally need our phones to be, well.....PHONES. If there's an emergency, having our phones shut off in the middle of an important phone call is terrible, and Apple's method is best for dealing with battery degradation. 

As someone who has had phones shut off due to old batteries a lot, I agree wholeheartedly. I would much prefer to have a top of the line phone last 5 years without needing to do any fixes then a new cheap phone every year. I just wish Apple would implement some sort of battery saving feature you can toggle. They really should take a page from Sonys' book as their battery saver is amazing. I had an M4 Aqua and that think would last for weeks if not months on its top battery saving mode. Sadly it died to circumstances including keys in pocket to the really weak plastic back causing mobo damage somehow and them refusing warranty repair due to "cost"....

[Yongtjunkit]

Does this apply to iPad or iPhone only?

[mr moose]

41 minutes ago, 8uhbbhu8 said:

 I would much prefer to have a top of the line phone last 5 years without needing to do any fixes then a new cheap phone every year.

 

That would definitely require some performance culling toward the end, making it not a top of the line phone even by it's own standards by the time you pass the 3 year mark.  Personally I am happy with a midrange phone that lasts 3 years before degradation becomes noticeable (by then I would upgrade anyway).

 

It really seems to be the pick two rule at the moment.   Which will you have longevity, performance or size. 

[PocketNerd]

4 hours ago, leadeater said:

Tell that to the 15-20 year warranty on deep cycle Lithium Ion batteries used in solar generation, you can easily make a durable battery if you want to. The issue is the design of the iPhone, it's volume is too small to allow for both a high mAh and durable battery design.

 

Many different Lithium based battery technologies, many superior technologies not even in use and many ways to make a battery more durable using the same technology. You can do a lot of things if you aren't obsessed with 2mm thinner phones which can be the difference between a 1 year 80% battery and a 3-5 year 80% battery.

Right, but none of what you just said invalidates my declaration that limits in technology make it so you aren't likely to see Lithium Ion batteries lasting for more than 2 years on iPhones. You even made my argument more valid since you added the desired design trends of phones.

While talking about future technologies is nice, there's no real guarantee that they will be used any time soon.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 hours ago, Dabombinable said:

Then why do people notice far better performance doing a factory reset (and then re-installing apps+using alternatives to default ones) after updating to the latest IOS version?

 

Lol that's like every android device I've used

[Dabombinable]

2 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

Lol that's like every android device I've used

My TF201 runs far better after installing the custom 7.1.1 ROM (though the GPS no longer works-but that was nearly useless to begin with)....

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

2 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

My TF201 runs far better after installing the custom 7.1.1 ROM (though the GPS no longer works-but that was nearly useless to begin with)....

 

well yea. You've installed a custom ROM which is already a fresh install. Would be weird if it didn't run better

[Thony]

Hope my iPhone SE will be eligible in around September next year so I can get the replacement battery for the price that actually makes sense 

[Dabombinable]

35 minutes ago, Pohernori said:

 

well yea. You've installed a custom ROM which is already a fresh install. Would be weird if it didn't run better

Its been on there for 6 months and still runs just as well as it did back then.

[Kinda Bottlenecked]

12 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

Its been on there for 6 months and still runs just as well as it did back then.

Well that's great, not quite sure what else to add here

[Master Disaster]

11 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

They have to start practicing planned obsolescence first.....

Holy balls, I don't know if you're being deliberately ignorant or if you're just blind but the vast majority of independent electronic repair centres that handle Apple equipment all agree Apple use planned obsolescence and have done since Cook took over.

 

1) They offer no documentation for independent repairers to actually repair

2) They've dumbed down all error reporting to the point it almost all says "replace device"

3) They've started obscuring components by removing part numbers so repair centres can't replace them

4) Apple specific diagnostic equipment no longer works on new hardware

5) They've been PROVEN to arbitrarily restrict hardware through software updates

5a) they killed off X Serve updates at Sierra for no reason. Editing a single line in a text file makes Sierra work on the X Serves and guess what? It works perfectly, has all drivers and ID information

5b) 2017 MBPs will ONLY run High Sierra, try and install Sierra or earlier and you get the prohibited sign

5c) High Sierra removed compatibility with all TB2 hardware and any TB3 hardware where the controller was made in 2016. Again modders have proven this to be entirely arbitrary and there's no reason why HS can't use older TB devices

6) Apple openly admitted to the US high courts that they only rate their devices to last 365 days and anything beyond that is based on luck, in fact not only did they admit it but they used it as a defence against the screen not working bug from a few years back

 

Look, I get it, you like your Apple hardware, that's fine. I have no problem with people who like things I don't but please don't stand there and tell me the bullshit I'm smelling is actually roses because that does nothing but reflect badly on you.

 

No objective person could look at that list and say that it doesn't look like Apple are using planned obsolescence.

[XenosTech]

4 hours ago, huilun02 said:

Or you know, not have battery woes with a V20

or a v10

[XenosTech]

4 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

So it's Apple's attempt to manipulate users into buying a new phone.....and yet this doesn't affect any of the Plus models.

It's almost like the plus models have a bigger battery

[mr moose]

2 hours ago, PocketNerd said:

Right, but none of what you just said invalidates my declaration that limits in technology make it so you aren't likely to see Lithium Ion batteries lasting for more than 2 years on iPhones. You even made my argument more valid since you added the desired design trends of phones.

While talking about future technologies is nice, there's no real guarantee that they will be used any time soon.

How long a battery lasts is not dictated by the intrinsic nature of the tech of the battery, but more than by the size of the battery they install.  If you double the capacity of the battery so it only has a DoD of about 40-50% instead of 80-90% and limit charge voltage to low, you can more than double the cycles before it reaches 70% capacity.

 

1 hour ago, Pohernori said:

Well that's great, not quite sure what else to add here

Sometimes all that's left to add to a discussion is a knowing nod and thumbs up.

 

24 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

Holy balls, I don't know if you're being deliberately ignorant or if you're just blind but the vast majority of independent electronic repair centres that handle Apple equipment all agree Apple use planned obsolescence and have done since Cook took over.

 

1) They offer no documentation for independent repairers to actually repair

2) They've dumbed down all error reporting to the point it almost all says "replace device"

3) They've started obscuring components by removing part numbers so repair centres can't replace them

4) Apple specific diagnostic equipment no longer works on new hardware

5) They've been PROVEN to arbitrarily restrict hardware through software updates

5a) they killed off X Serve updates at Sierra for no reason. Editing a single line in a text file makes Sierra work on the X Serves and guess what? It works perfectly, has all drivers and ID information

5b) 2017 MBPs will ONLY run High Sierra, try and install Sierra or earlier and you get the prohibited sign

5c) High Sierra removed compatibility with all TB2 hardware and any TB3 hardware where the controller was made in 2016. Again modders have proven this to be entirely arbitrary and there's no reason why HS can't use older TB devices

6) Apple openly admitted to the US high courts that they only rate their devices to last 365 days and anything beyond that is based on luck, in fact not only did they admit it but they used it as a defence against the screen not working bug from a few years back

 

Look, I get it, you like your Apple hardware, that's fine. I have no problem with people who like things I don't but please don't stand there and tell me the bullshit I'm smelling is actually roses because that does nothing but reflect badly on you.

 

No objective person could look at that list and say that it doesn't look like Apple are using planned obsolescence.

Kinda reminds me of all the arguments about Intel and coffee lake being planned obsolescence even though we still have no real proof it was an arbitrary move.

[XenosTech]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Its like a clean Windows install, over time it collects junk and a reinstall/reset removes that junk. 

I think most people been doing that out of habbit since windows xp where it didn't do a very good job of maintaining it self. You really didn't have to do that since windows 7, didn't have to do it in win8 and well win10 every major update is a reset

[elfensky]

22 hours ago, Godlygamer23 said:

Personally, I think it's simply Apple's way of making their devices last longer and be more reliable than other devices. I know there are people that don't want their phones slowing down over time(I mean, who does?), but it's a much better alternative compared to your phone shutting off entirely, particularly since we generally need our phones to be, well.....PHONES. If there's an emergency, having our phones shut off in the middle of an important phone call is terrible, and Apple's method is best for dealing with battery degradation. 

I completely agree. I have a Redmi Note 3 Pro, and it already shuts off at 30-40% if it's cold outside. Fucked me over when my car broke down on the side of the road and I had to warm it up before being able to turn it back on and call my insurance.

Edited December 29, 2017 by ElfenSky
the phone is 1 year old