The FCC just KILLED Net Neutrality

[RileyTheFox]

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16776154/fcc-net-neutrality-vote-results-rules-repealed

 

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Net neutrality is dead — at least for now. In a 3-2 vote today, the Federal Communications Commission approved a measure to remove the tough net neutrality rules it put in place just two years ago. Those rules prevented internet providers from blocking and throttling traffic and offering paid fast lanes. They also classified internet providers as Title II common carriers in order to give the measure strong legal backing.

 

Ajit's arguments were completely false. Now expect to see ISPs setting up packages for certain websites.

 

HALT! PLEASE PAY $10 TO SEE THIS FORUM POST. WE HAVE ALSO SLOWED YOUR CONNECTION DOWN.

 

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“This is not good,” Rosenworcel says. “Not good for consumers. Not good for businesses. Not good for anyone who connects and creates online.”

 

All is not over though! The FCC's decision can still be reversed by Congress. GET WRITING AND CALLING NOW!

 

Save Net Neutrality!

 

INCOMING NEWS:

It's just been heard that one of Ajit's arguments that Net Neutrality should be repealed is that 'Two million comments were stolen identities' and 'Half a Million comments from Russia' 

 

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Today’s vote undoes all of that. It removes the Title II designation, preventing the FCC from putting tough net neutrality rules in place even if it wanted to. And, it turns out, the Republicans now in charge of the FCC really don’t want to. The new rules largely don’t prevent internet providers from doing anything. They can block, throttle, and prioritize content if they wish to. The only real rule is that they have to publicly state that they’re going to do it.

This is really sad. I pray that other countries like Canada and the UK don't follow this. I honestly have nothing else to write here. Go nuts in the replies. 

 

EDIT: Added info on how this can be reversed.

EDIT 2: Added more information and more of my thoughts.

EDIT 3: Added some critical news

[Crunchy Dragon]

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[Techicolors]

we need a court landslide next year. please vote in 2018 

[Rubymaster]

RIP the internet as we knew it,

[Crunchy Dragon]

In all seriousness, this is pretty stupid. There was no legitimate reason to get rid of Net Neutrality.

 

RIP free market internet. You will be severely missed.

 

 

[ProjectBox153]

This is so sad. I hope it doesn’t pass through the court. 

[flibberdipper]

Yay, now Comcast can block even more things for me! Even now I can't access any P2P shit (aka glhf downloading a Linux distro quickly).

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just in case everyone starts throttling my connection to this website or blocking it entirely, I just want to say to everyone on these forums: It was great being here and I loved every interaction with you all. This is by far the best community I've ever found online and I will miss it should it come to me being unable to access it anymore.

[paddy-stone]

1 minute ago, tmcclelland455 said:

Yay, now Comcast can block even more things for me! Even now I can't access any P2P shit (aka glhf downloading a Linux distro quickly).

Do they still throttle if you're using a VPN?

[Defunct Lizard]

I thought they canceled it?

 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16776308/susan-collins-angus-king-net-neutrality-vote-delay-letter

 

I don't know, I might just be bad at politics and government systems.

 

[SALEEN961]

Just now, paddy-stone said:

Do they still throttle if you're using a VPN?

I would think they'd throttle that the most, can't they tell it's VPN traffic? If someone is using a VPN to circumvent their new rules it would only make sense for them to block it.

[BloodyWaters]

If my connection gets messed up and I can’t post here anymore I just want to say goodbye.

[Rubymaster]

2 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

Do they still throttle if you're using a VPN?

They can. VPN's use specific ports. They can tell if someone is using a VPN and throttle or block all VPN traffic.

Edit: Forgot a period.

[Techicolors]

1 minute ago, floppy disk mayhem said:

I thought they canceled it?

 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16776308/susan-collins-angus-king-net-neutrality-vote-delay-letter

 

I don't know, I might just be bad at politics and government systems.

 

repeal won 3-2

[Defunct Lizard]

Just now, Technicolors said:

repeal won 3-2

Does that matter? from what I saw they canceled it.

 

I probably am wrong about this, what did I do wrong?

[trekkie1701c]

Just now, Rubymaster said:

They can VPN's use specific ports. They can tell if someone is using a VPN and throttle or block all VPN traffic.

And even if you somehow get around that (If you're willing to shell out, I suppose you could run OpenVPN on AWS or something and set up custom ports), packet inspection will still probably tell them what it is.  Or they just go with unknown traffic and throttle the hell out of it because it wasn't paid for in your plan.  Or sorry, they don't "optimize" the speed of the traffic or whatever bs they're going to sell it as.

[SALEEN961]

I think people just need to stop paying for their internet connection if it gets throttled, if no one pays with their new BS rules they'll be forced to not implement them, but good luck getting the masses to even notice what's happening let alone go without internet.

[mynameisjuan]

I mean this does suck ass. 

 

But until the day the "pay $5 to view this site" is actually a thing im not going to worry. Im pretty sure nothing will change. 

 

9 hours ago, trekkie1701c said:

packet inspection will still probably tell them what it is

You cant read contents of an encrypted packet. All we see are IPs and ports. 

[Crunchy Dragon]

Just now, SALEEN961 said:

I think people just need to stop paying for their internet connection if it gets throttled, if no one pays with their new BS rules they'll be forced to not implement them, but good luck getting the masses to even notice what's happening let alone go without internet.

That's a really good point, let's all boycott the internet so ISPs can't make any money off no NN!

 

Seriously, that is a great idea someone get it on Reddit

[trekkie1701c]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

I mean this does suck ass. 

 

But until the day the "pay $5 to view this site" is actually a thing im not going to worry. Im pretty sure nothing will change. 

I can see it not changing on the consumer end for awhile, but if they start charging websites for access to consumers, then it makes it harder for startups to happen.

[jagdtigger]

3 minutes ago, Rubymaster said:

They can. VPN's use specific ports. They can tell if someone is using a VPN and throttle or block all VPN traffic.

Edit: Forgot a period.

Not all of them, OpenVPN over port 443. Good luck filtering that one out...

[SALEEN961]

Just now, mynameisjuan said:

I mean this does suck ass. 

 

But until the day the "pay $5 to view this site" is actually a thing im not going to worry. Im pretty sure nothing will change. 

They were paid to make this happen for a reason, companies wouldn't pay to kill net neutrality unless they planned to do something.

[Defunct Lizard]

from what I saw, they canceled it. https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/14/16776308/susan-collins-angus-king-net-neutrality-vote-delay-letter

 

can anyone tell me what is going on?

[Techicolors]

3 minutes ago, floppy disk mayhem said:

Does that matter? from what I saw they canceled it.

 

I probably am wrong about this, what did I do wrong?

3 voted to repeal, 2 voted no. Susan collins is one of the two 

[Bouzoo]

35 minutes ago, floppy disk mayhem said:

Does that matter? from what I saw they canceled it.

 

I probably am wrong about this, what did I do wrong?

For starters, have you read the article?

 

Here is the first sentence:

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Sens. Susan Collins (R-ME) and Angus King, Jr. (I-ME) have sent a last-minute letter calling for FCC chairman Ajit Pai to cancel today’s net neutrality vote

As you can see it wasn't canceled. It obviously wasn't canceled since the voting happened.

 

 

Sadly we knew for a while back how this would end, and they literally voted as they said they will. The big question is what to do next.