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It's not just that the HD 5450 is old, it's that even when it was NEW it was the slowest card in the HD 5XXX series. o.O  I literally run an HD 5450 in my server because it needed a GPU and the 5450 had single slot passively cooled options for $20 on eBay. o.O

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28 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You cant answer, but then you said you would replace all of it which is an advice in some way... That's confusing

I said I can't answer which is bottlenecking which, thusly I suggest switching out the entire system because it's very old and unless someone is going for 1080p in e-sports titles, it won't hold up. That I can tell by looking at benchmarks for that specific CPU and compare it to other CPUs that I have personal experience of and can from that deduct that even though it is a good value, especially if one has been using it for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to recommend switching it out. Especially since it runs on a ddr3 platform and most games nowadays recommends ddr4 for performance stability. You can absolutely still squeeze a few extra miles out but you can right now get CPUs that will easily outperform it without spending even close to a fortune.

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1 minute ago, BoilInBagRis said:

I said I can't answer which is bottlenecking which, thusly I suggest switching out the entire system because it's very old and unless someone is going for 1080p in e-sports titles, it won't hold up. That I can tell by looking at benchmarks for that specific CPU and compare it to other CPUs that I have personal experience of and can from that deduct that even though it is a good value, especially if one has been using it for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to recommend switching it out. Especially since it runs on a ddr3 platform and most games nowadays recommends ddr4 for performance stability. You can absolutely still squeeze a few extra miles out but you can right now get CPUs that will easily outperform it without spending even close to a fortune.

Considering the specs of their whole pc I don't think they have that much cash, and for a low-mid range system an i7 2600 is still totally fine, especially if you OC it a little bit.

 

No game "recommends ddr4 for performance stability." That's not how it works.

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2 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Considering the specs of their whole pc I don't think they have that much cash, and for a low-mid range system an i7 2600 is still totally fine, especially if you OC it a little bit.

 

No game "recommends ddr4 for performance stability." That's not how it works.

Considering that people gain sudden interests in upgrading their PCs from a very old rigs, it's not unusual that people are willing to spend on new parts. Actually there is, go check it out. 

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31 minutes ago, BoilInBagRis said:

I said I can't answer which is bottlenecking which, thusly I suggest switching out the entire system because it's very old and unless someone is going for 1080p in e-sports titles, it won't hold up. That I can tell by looking at benchmarks for that specific CPU and compare it to other CPUs that I have personal experience of and can from that deduct that even though it is a good value, especially if one has been using it for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to recommend switching it out. Especially since it runs on a ddr3 platform and most games nowadays recommends ddr4 for performance stability. You can absolutely still squeeze a few extra miles out but you can right now get CPUs that will easily outperform it without spending even close to a fortune.

Linus actually just made a video about this a couple of days ago. Comparing performance of older gen CPU's with high end (recent) GPU's. Performance increases was.. Not impressive.

And even without the video, I don't agree with you here. The i7 2600 is still a very capable 1080p CPU! Even more capable in higher resolutions. DDR3 is still recent enough to be used without any trouble. The inly drawback being speed, which ultimately don't affect performance much anyways unless you're running 800MHz :P

 

Just slapping in a new GPU in that system gives him a very capable 1080p system.

No need to upgrade tbh, sure it's not a fortune, but he said a GTX 1060 is out of his budget so I rest my case. :)

29 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

Considering the specs of their whole pc I don't think they have that much cash, and for a low-mid range system an i7 2600 is still totally fine, especially if you OC it a little bit.

 

No game "recommends ddr4 for performance stability." That's not how it works.

Totally agree^ :)

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44 minutes ago, BoilInBagRis said:

Considering that people gain sudden interests in upgrading their PCs from a very old rigs, it's not unusual that people are willing to spend on new parts. Actually there is, go check it out. 

They stated in this thread they can't afford rx 580s/gtx 1060s and are looking towards stuff like the 1030, 560, and 1050 ti.

 

Could I have a source? I see no reason why DDR4 would be needed for "performance stability." What does that even mean?

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52 minutes ago, BoilInBagRis said:

Actually there is, go check it out. 

I'm curious about this as well. And not just find a user who went "I switched from DDR3 to DDR4 and my experience has been stable." I want an actual developer (as opposed to the company's PR team) making a comment and the reason why.

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2 hours ago, Shqiptar said:

12gb RAM DDR3 , i7-2600 3.4ghz AMD Radeon HD 5450 512mb , 500GB HDD

Get a GTX 1050Ti or AMD RX 580.

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9 hours ago, BoilInBagRis said:

I said I can't answer which is bottlenecking which, thusly I suggest switching out the entire system because it's very old and unless someone is going for 1080p in e-sports titles, it won't hold up. That I can tell by looking at benchmarks for that specific CPU and compare it to other CPUs that I have personal experience of and can from that deduct that even though it is a good value, especially if one has been using it for quite some time, it's not unreasonable to recommend switching it out. Especially since it runs on a ddr3 platform and most games nowadays recommends ddr4 for performance stability. You can absolutely still squeeze a few extra miles out but you can right now get CPUs that will easily outperform it without spending even close to a fortune.

I just get impatient when people dont act sensibly, so bear with me.

 

First of all, either the benchmarks you looked at or your comparisons with CPUs you know is wrong (or both). Thanks to hyper threading a 2600 is still competitive to 6th amd 7th gen i5s.

 

Secondly, RAM frequency never affected Intel consumer platforms' performance much. It's Ryzen and X299 in which this becomes prominent.

 

Lastly, the definition of 'a fortune' is subjective. To OP, that's $150 US, which is not enough for anything faster than a 2600. With a display adapter though a graphics card upgrade is much needed.

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On 12/11/2017 at 4:58 PM, DocSwag said:

Considering the specs of their whole pc I don't think they have that much cash, and for a low-mid range system an i7 2600 is still totally fine, especially if you OC it a little bit.

 

No game "recommends ddr4 for performance stability." That's not how it works.

i get this pc for 200 euro (KOSOVO)

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On 12/11/2017 at 5:40 PM, MVPernula said:

Linus actually just made a video about this a couple of days ago. Comparing performance of older gen CPU's with high end (recent) GPU's. Performance increases was.. Not impressive.

And even without the video, I don't agree with you here. The i7 2600 is still a very capable 1080p CPU! Even more capable in higher resolutions. DDR3 is still recent enough to be used without any trouble. The inly drawback being speed, which ultimately don't affect performance much anyways unless you're running 800MHz :P

 

Just slapping in a new GPU in that system gives him a very capable 1080p system.

No need to upgrade tbh, sure it's not a fortune, but he said a GTX 1060 is out of his budget so I rest my case. :)

Totally agree^ :)

i play videos in 4k and it doesnt lag or something 

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