Posted December 5, 2017 It seems like there is a lot of debate on what age kids should get phones. I personaly feel that if they are responsible enough, they should get a hand-me-down at 9-10, and get something better at 11-12 Main Laptop: Google Pixelbook Dev mode w/ Cross Enabled PC: Ryzen 7 1700x / 32GB 2667 / GTX 1080 / 1.5 TB of SSDs / 1TB of HDDs Monitor: AW3418DW Ultrawide 120hz / 3440x1440 / RGB / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm 2nd Monitor: Dell U2515hx 25 inches / 1440p / Portrait / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 18 and have a job. Intel Xeon E5 1650 v3 @ 3.5GHz 6C:12T / CM212 Evo / Asus X99 Deluxe / 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 3000 Trident-Z / Samsung 850 Pro 256GB / Intel 335 240GB / WD Red 2 & 3TB / Antec 850w / RTX 2070 / Win10 Pro x64 HP Envy X360 15: Intel Core i5 8250U @ 1.6GHz 4C:8T / 8GB DDR4 / Intel UHD620 + Nvidia GeForce MX150 4GB / Intel 120GB SSD / Win10 Pro x64 HP Envy x360 BP series Intel 8th gen AMD ThreadRipper 2! 5820K & 6800K 3-way SLI mobo support list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 I submitted Other because everyone ages differently (mentally), unfortunately. I've met some 6 y/os that're more responsible than people in their 20's. More importantly so the parents need a good set of values too. Which sadly not many do, growing up I saw some kids with $700 smart phones. I'm not against giving a little extra to someone you love if ya can afford it. However that'd be like me using a 1080Ti to play RuneScape in 900p, way too OP even beyond "future-proofing". IMO if the parents are buying the phone for their child/teen, should be in the $200-$350 unless the kid is willing to help pay for it then sure go a bit higher. Ryzen 5 1500X @ 3.9GHz On 1.3625V | MSI B350M Gaming Pro | 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3200MHz | 3GB MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 2063MHz Core 9408MHz Mem | EVGA G2 550W | 250GB Samsung 850 EVO | Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1903 (Build 18362.295) | MasterCase Pro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 Author 1 minute ago, Mike Soda said: I submitted Other because everyone ages differently, unfortunately. I've met some 6 y/os that're more responsible than people in their 20's. More importantly so the parents need a good set of values too. Which sadly not many do, growing up I saw some kids with $700 smart phones. I'm not against giving a little extra to someone you love if ya can afford it. However that'd be like me using a 1080Ti to play RuneScape in 900p, way too OP even beyond "future-proofing". IMO if the parents are buying the phone for their child/teen, should be in the $200-$350 unless the kid is willing to help pay for it then sure go a bit higher. I am in 7th grade, and have an iPhone X only because I offered to pay for it. I agree about the responsibility factor, as I have seen preschoolers smarter than some 30y/os ive seen I originally got a hand-me-down right before middle school, and I was only upgraded because my mom lost it Main Laptop: Google Pixelbook Dev mode w/ Cross Enabled PC: Ryzen 7 1700x / 32GB 2667 / GTX 1080 / 1.5 TB of SSDs / 1TB of HDDs Monitor: AW3418DW Ultrawide 120hz / 3440x1440 / RGB / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm 2nd Monitor: Dell U2515hx 25 inches / 1440p / Portrait / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 11-12. At that age they should be able to go to school themselves and take the train, bus, etc. At least that's what we do here in Vancouver. Pretty common to see 11/12 y/os going on the train themselves or walking to school themselves. IMO they should be responsible enough to get at least a budget phone ($170-$230 USD) PSU Nerd | PC Parts Flipper | Cable Management Guru Helpful Links: PSU Tier List | Why not group reg? | Avoid the EVGA G3 Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server) Full Specs Spoiler Helios EVO (Main): Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14 Pacific Spirit XT - Server Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M Delta - Laptop ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger Intel is bringing DDR4 to the mainstream with the Intel® Core™ i5 6600K and i7 6700K processors. Learn more by clicking the link in the description below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, TrevMCC38 said: I am in 7th grade, and have an iPhone X only because I offered to pay for it. I agree about the responsibility factor, as I have seen preschoolers smarter than some 30y/os ive seen I originally got a hand-me-down right before middle school, and I was only upgraded because my mom lost it Nice man, haha this is making me think back to my 1st cellphone, a hand-me-down I got when I was 16. A gold Nokia 3310, on T-Mobile too ugh XD. Ryzen 5 1500X @ 3.9GHz On 1.3625V | MSI B350M Gaming Pro | 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3200MHz | 3GB MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 2063MHz Core 9408MHz Mem | EVGA G2 550W | 250GB Samsung 850 EVO | Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1903 (Build 18362.295) | MasterCase Pro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, Mike Soda said: Nice man, haha this is making me think back to my 1st cellphone, a hand-me-down I got when I was 16. A gold Nokia 3310, on T-Mobile too ugh XD. Did it survive a drop from Taipei 101? PSU Nerd | PC Parts Flipper | Cable Management Guru Helpful Links: PSU Tier List | Why not group reg? | Avoid the EVGA G3 Helios EVO (Main Desktop) Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | GeForce RTX 3060 Ti | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W Delta (Laptop) | Galaxy S21 Ultra | Pacific Spirit XT (Server) Full Specs Spoiler Helios EVO (Main): Intel Core™ i9-10900KF | 32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V / Team T-Force DDR4-3000 | GIGABYTE Z590 AORUS ELITE | MSI GAMING X GeForce RTX 3060 Ti 8GB GPU | NZXT H510 | EVGA G5 650W | MasterLiquid ML240L | 2x 2TB HDD | 256GB SX6000 Pro SSD | 3x Corsair SP120 RGB | Fractal Design Venturi HF-14 Pacific Spirit XT - Server Intel Core™ i7-8700K (Won at LTX, signed by Dennis) | GIGABYTE Z370 AORUS GAMING 5 | 16GB Team Vulcan DDR4-3000 | Intel UrfpsgonHD 630 | Define C TG | Corsair CX450M Delta - Laptop ASUS TUF Dash F15 - Intel Core™ i7-11370H | 16GB DDR4 | RTX 3060 | 500GB NVMe SSD | 200W Brick | 65W USB-PD Charger Intel is bringing DDR4 to the mainstream with the Intel® Core™ i5 6600K and i7 6700K processors. Learn more by clicking the link in the description below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 Author Just now, JDE said: Did it survive a drop from Taipei 101? , I thought it would break the ground, not the phone. Main Laptop: Google Pixelbook Dev mode w/ Cross Enabled PC: Ryzen 7 1700x / 32GB 2667 / GTX 1080 / 1.5 TB of SSDs / 1TB of HDDs Monitor: AW3418DW Ultrawide 120hz / 3440x1440 / RGB / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm 2nd Monitor: Dell U2515hx 25 inches / 1440p / Portrait / Amazonbasics Dual Monitor Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 19 just in case they open a porn website and someone finds out they wont end up in jail hehehe Gaming Mouse Buying Guide (Technical Terms,Optical vs Laser,Mice Recommendation,Popular Mouse Sensor,Etc) [LOGITECH G402 REVIEW] I love Dark Souls lore, Mice and Milk tea Praise The Sun! \[T]/ I can conquer the world with one hand,As long as you hold the other -Unknown Its better to enjoy your own company than expecting someone to make you happy -Mr Bean No one is going to be with you forever,One day u'll have to walk alone -Hiromi aoki (avery) BUT the one who love us never really leave us,You can always find them here ♥ -Sirius Black Don't pity the dead,Pity the living and above all those who live without love -Albus Dumbledore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, JDE said: Did it survive a drop from Taipei 101? I don't know but one time when I was about 17 & had just gotten a speed-o-meter for my bike. I was testing how fast I could go down various massive paved hills where I used to live. While doing about 30 for a test run I decided to try again but as I slowed down I saw my 3310 slidding across the ground beside & past me. It crashed into a cement drainage ditch. Had some scratches but kept workin' fine for the next 6 years. Ryzen 5 1500X @ 3.9GHz On 1.3625V | MSI B350M Gaming Pro | 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 3200MHz | 3GB MSI GTX 1060 Gaming X 2063MHz Core 9408MHz Mem | EVGA G2 550W | 250GB Samsung 850 EVO | Windows 10 Home 64-bit Version 1903 (Build 18362.295) | MasterCase Pro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 13-14 Greater responsibilities and the need the be connected with not just friends and family but other class mates along with the need to have information on call at any moment (especially in school) overrides any parenting opinions if you ask me. You can restrict them but young teens simply need phones these days. They can't lug laptops everywhere and there isn't wifi everywhere on top of that. Laptop: 2019 16" MacBook Pro i7, 512GB, 5300M 4GB, 16GB DDR4 | Phone: iPhone 13 Pro Max 128GB | Wearables: Apple Watch SE | Car: 2007 Ford Taurus SE | CPU: R7 5700X | Mobo: ASRock B450M Pro4 | RAM: 32GB 3200 | GPU: ASRock RX 5700 8GB | Case: Apple PowerMac G5 | OS: Win 11 | Storage: 1TB Crucial P3 NVME SSD, 1TB PNY CS900, & 4TB WD Blue HDD | PSU: Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 600W | Display: LG 27GL83A-B 1440p @ 144Hz, Dell S2719DGF 1440p @144Hz | Cooling: Wraith Prism | Keyboard: G610 Orion Cherry MX Brown | Mouse: G305 | Audio: Audio Technica ATH-M50X & Blue Snowball | Server: 2018 Core i3 Mac mini, 128GB SSD, Intel UHD 630, 16GB DDR4 | Storage: OWC Mercury Elite Pro Quad (6TB WD Blue HDD, 12TB Seagate Barracuda, 1TB Crucial SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hiya! said: 19 just in case they open a porn website and someone finds out they wont end up in jail hehehe You dont go to jail just because you watch porn lol... prisons would be full if all the kids who watched porn were put behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, KyberKylo77 said: You dont go to jail just because you watch porn lol... prisons would be full if all the kids who watched porn were put behind bars. hahahaha i know lel i am just joking. Although that would be hilarious if its real. Gaming Mouse Buying Guide (Technical Terms,Optical vs Laser,Mice Recommendation,Popular Mouse Sensor,Etc) [LOGITECH G402 REVIEW] I love Dark Souls lore, Mice and Milk tea Praise The Sun! \[T]/ I can conquer the world with one hand,As long as you hold the other -Unknown Its better to enjoy your own company than expecting someone to make you happy -Mr Bean No one is going to be with you forever,One day u'll have to walk alone -Hiromi aoki (avery) BUT the one who love us never really leave us,You can always find them here ♥ -Sirius Black Don't pity the dead,Pity the living and above all those who live without love -Albus Dumbledore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 25 minutes ago, NumLock21 said: 18 and have a job. Thats a bit too old tbh since you would need a phone for things like studying, going out and being able to have contact to anyone just in case and for other uses as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 2 minutes ago, Hiya! said: hahahaha i know lel i am just joking. Although that would be hilarious if its real. Imagine the kids' faces in prison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 33 minutes ago, NumLock21 said: 18 and have a job. What an awesome parent. At that point they get to own whatever they want. Laptop: 2019 16" MacBook Pro i7, 512GB, 5300M 4GB, 16GB DDR4 | Phone: iPhone 13 Pro Max 128GB | Wearables: Apple Watch SE | Car: 2007 Ford Taurus SE | CPU: R7 5700X | Mobo: ASRock B450M Pro4 | RAM: 32GB 3200 | GPU: ASRock RX 5700 8GB | Case: Apple PowerMac G5 | OS: Win 11 | Storage: 1TB Crucial P3 NVME SSD, 1TB PNY CS900, & 4TB WD Blue HDD | PSU: Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 600W | Display: LG 27GL83A-B 1440p @ 144Hz, Dell S2719DGF 1440p @144Hz | Cooling: Wraith Prism | Keyboard: G610 Orion Cherry MX Brown | Mouse: G305 | Audio: Audio Technica ATH-M50X & Blue Snowball | Server: 2018 Core i3 Mac mini, 128GB SSD, Intel UHD 630, 16GB DDR4 | Storage: OWC Mercury Elite Pro Quad (6TB WD Blue HDD, 12TB Seagate Barracuda, 1TB Crucial SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 7 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said: What an awesome parent. At that point they get to own whatever they want. Exactly lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 I think its fine to have a flip phone that just calls and texts when they are 10 years old or so but they should get smartphones when they either get a job or they go into high school.I had a flip phone for 2 years in high school and just recently I got an old galaxy s4 for free off of a friend. The only reason I'm here is that I have homework that I don't want to do PC Specs CPU: Intel Celeron N3060 |GPU: Intel HD graphics 400 |RAM: 2 gigs |STORAGE: 16 gigs It took me half an hour to find where to change my signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 I had a phone when I was 14, and that was 18 years ago. Since times are the way they are now, I went with 11ish. That's when you start venturing out on your own or with friends, and it becomes a safety thing more than anything. It doesn't have to be a smartphone. It could be a regular flip phone. 48 minutes ago, TrevMCC38 said: I am in 7th grade, and have an iPhone X only because I offered to pay for it. I agree about the responsibility factor, as I have seen preschoolers smarter than some 30y/os ive seen I originally got a hand-me-down right before middle school, and I was only upgraded because my mom lost it How exactly would you manage to pay for a $1,000 phone in the 7th grade? CPU: Ryzen 9 5900 Cooler: EVGA CLC280 Motherboard: Gigabyte B550i Pro AX RAM: Kingston Hyper X 32GB 3200mhz Storage: WD 750 SE 500GB, WD 730 SE 1TB GPU: EVGA RTX 3070 Ti PSU: Corsair SF750 Case: Streacom DA2 Monitor: LG 27GL83B Mouse: Razer Basilisk V2 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Speakers: Mackie CR5BT MiniPC - Sold for $100 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i3 4160 Cooler: Integrated Motherboard: Integrated RAM: G.Skill RipJaws 16GB DDR3 Storage: Transcend MSA370 128GB GPU: Intel 4400 Graphics PSU: Integrated Case: Shuttle XPC Slim Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Budget Rig 1 - Sold For $750 Profit Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 7600k Cooler: CryOrig H7 Motherboard: MSI Z270 M5 RAM: Crucial LPX 16GB DDR4 Storage: Intel S3510 800GB GPU: Nvidia GTX 980 PSU: Corsair CX650M Case: EVGA DG73 Monitor: LG 29WK500 Mouse: G.Skill MX780 Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red OG Gaming Rig - Gone Spoiler CPU: Intel i5 4690k Cooler: Corsair H100i V2 Motherboard: MSI Z97i AC ITX RAM: Crucial Ballistix 16GB DDR3 Storage: Kingston Fury 240GB GPU: Asus Strix GTX 970 PSU: Thermaltake TR2 Case: Phanteks Enthoo Evolv ITX Monitor: Dell P2214H x2 Mouse: Logitech MX Master Keyboard: G.Skill KM780 Cherry MX Red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, Bigbootyjudy said: I think its fine to have a flip phone that just calls and texts when they are 10 years old or so but they should get smartphones when they either get a job or they go into high school.I had a flip phone for 2 years in high school and just recently I got an old galaxy s4 for free off of a friend. My previous phone was a hand down s3 from my dad and my current phone is a J1 from samsung. Dont really care much for phones, as long as they have a decent camera, can make calls and has enough processing power to have a few pages open at once, im good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 Just now, KyberKylo77 said: My previous phone was a hand down s3 from my dad and my current phone is a J1 from samsung ayyyyyyy, cheap phone is my city The only reason I'm here is that I have homework that I don't want to do PC Specs CPU: Intel Celeron N3060 |GPU: Intel HD graphics 400 |RAM: 2 gigs |STORAGE: 16 gigs It took me half an hour to find where to change my signature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 37 minutes ago, KyberKylo77 said: Thats a bit too old tbh since you would need a phone for things like studying, going out and being able to have contact to anyone just in case and for other uses as well. They can study with a computer. Where do they need to go? The apple juice pub at 12 midnight with their buddies? No they stay at home. They want a phone, then get a job and earn it themselves. Items like this are rewards earn through hard work, not just sticking your hand out and beg for others to buy it. If they show dedication and responsibility, then they will get a helping hand, say parent pays half of it, while their kids pay the other half. Buying something with their own money gives them a sense of achievement and independence. 34 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said: What an awesome parent. At that point they get to own whatever they want. Their money, they can buy whatever they want. Just spend it wisely and not waste on things they don't need. Intel Xeon E5 1650 v3 @ 3.5GHz 6C:12T / CM212 Evo / Asus X99 Deluxe / 16GB (4x4GB) DDR4 3000 Trident-Z / Samsung 850 Pro 256GB / Intel 335 240GB / WD Red 2 & 3TB / Antec 850w / RTX 2070 / Win10 Pro x64 HP Envy X360 15: Intel Core i5 8250U @ 1.6GHz 4C:8T / 8GB DDR4 / Intel UHD620 + Nvidia GeForce MX150 4GB / Intel 120GB SSD / Win10 Pro x64 HP Envy x360 BP series Intel 8th gen AMD ThreadRipper 2! 5820K & 6800K 3-way SLI mobo support list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 1 minute ago, NumLock21 said: They can study with a computer Where do they need to go? The apple juice pub at 12 midnight with their buddies? No they stay at home. They want a phone, then get a job and earn it themselves. Items like this are rewards earn through hard work, not just sticking your hand out and beg for others to buy it. If they show dedication and responsibility, then they will get a helping hand, say parent pays half of it, while their kids pay the other half. Buying something with their own money gives them a sense of achievement and independence. Most have grown up and went to school before smartphones. You clearly don’t realize the level of technology integration that is required in modern education that simply can’t all be satisfied with a laptop. Laptop: 2019 16" MacBook Pro i7, 512GB, 5300M 4GB, 16GB DDR4 | Phone: iPhone 13 Pro Max 128GB | Wearables: Apple Watch SE | Car: 2007 Ford Taurus SE | CPU: R7 5700X | Mobo: ASRock B450M Pro4 | RAM: 32GB 3200 | GPU: ASRock RX 5700 8GB | Case: Apple PowerMac G5 | OS: Win 11 | Storage: 1TB Crucial P3 NVME SSD, 1TB PNY CS900, & 4TB WD Blue HDD | PSU: Be Quiet! Pure Power 11 600W | Display: LG 27GL83A-B 1440p @ 144Hz, Dell S2719DGF 1440p @144Hz | Cooling: Wraith Prism | Keyboard: G610 Orion Cherry MX Brown | Mouse: G305 | Audio: Audio Technica ATH-M50X & Blue Snowball | Server: 2018 Core i3 Mac mini, 128GB SSD, Intel UHD 630, 16GB DDR4 | Storage: OWC Mercury Elite Pro Quad (6TB WD Blue HDD, 12TB Seagate Barracuda, 1TB Crucial SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted December 5, 2017 They should get just a normal pre-paid text and talk phone when they reach middle school to be able to call their parents and friends and have to buy their own smart phone and have to pay for a plan themselves ◒ ◒ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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