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PLEASE STOP COMPARING $500 CONSOLES TO $500 PCs

Is it fair to compare a $500 PC and a $500 Console?  

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  1. 1. Is it fair to compare a $500 PC and a $500 Console?

    • Yes
      116
    • No
      76


3 minutes ago, QuantumBit said:

100% agree. Most users dont have the time to look up and research parts, then go out deal hunting.

why are we considering most users

we are considering the machines not the users.

a machine that costs 500$ can outperform a 500$ console. it can be done quite easily and is done so every day. 

 

its done through smart buying an knowledge of what parts can be had for the price. Knowledge is king in this comparison. 500$ of used parts with the knowledge to build and maintian it is no contest to a stock game console I'm sorry.

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2 minutes ago, RollinLower said:

 

my girlfriend has a PS4 but no PC's, only an iPad.

TL:DR it is highly subjective, and for an apples to apples comparison there are just too many variables.

Yep, there are people out there with no desktop PCs.

 

Most individuals are fine on light weight laptops or tablets.  Why?  Because the majority use those devices for email and browsing.  At the rate things going with Smartphones, probably get to a point where people will just use the phone for all those activities.

 

Also, one word, convenience.  The king of sales, if you can make something easy to do, people will buy it.  This is the consoles trump card.  The darn things just work.  As someone who does help desk while on orders, the majority can't troubleshoot worth a dang(heck, I lost count how many times I had to go look at the printer because the buggers did not understand how to switch the ink out).  Plus, major reason I have consoles.  I like to have days where I just put my butt on the couch, throw a disc in, and not have to go troubleshoot some graphic settings, bugs, or driver issues.  Hence, every device has Pros and Cons.  It up to the consumer to decide which Pros/Cons they are willing to deal with.

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3 hours ago, QuantumBit said:

Most PC's made with that money will already be running on older sockets, which after a few years will be more obsolete.

Are you really comparing a $5 monthly fee then saying that you can upgrade your PC, which I doubt will cost that little.

i have a frien running skylake at that price

 

3 hours ago, NotTheRelaxngEnd said:

i have a frien running skylake at that price

and also you can get the most out of games on pc with something called steam workshop and in some cases,piracy is used the right way , by letting people play the game before buying it (note i am not supporting piracy)

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Ultimately, my point is pricing is a very "flexible" issue and there's a lot of ways to play with the numbers, so no matter how you do it a direct comparison is pretty hard, and of questionable validity.  Depends who it is, what matters to them, etc. etc.

 

At the end of the day, consoles and PC are very different in a lot of ways and give such a different experience that I find it hard to understand how price even factors into it.  The experience is so different that you're gonna be someone who adamantly wants one or the other based on 1000 different things, and so after all that, what it costs to get what you want is beyond secondary, it's not even relevant.  To have to use the opposite of the one you want would just be pure and utter suffering for many, and so any difference in price at that point is sort of irrelevant.

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I own a couple high end PCs but honestly I am still considering buying a console for traveling/living room. It's just a solid little machine that you can use for movies, games, and other stuff that is fairly cheap too. Sometimes plug and play is nice after a long day

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3 minutes ago, QuantumBit said:

Most PC's made with that money will already be running on older sockets, which after a few years will be more obsolete.

Are you really comparing a $5 monthly fee then saying that you can upgrade your PC, which I doubt will cost that little.

also my desktop board is 8 years old and eats 500$ consoles for breakfast 

 

the point is old hardware shouldn't be excluded becuase it's old. it should only be excluded if it's slower. and if i can keep stuffing hardware into this thing and beat consoles then there's no reason to ever consider a console. 

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10 minutes ago, black0utm1rage said:

Yeah allright, but chances are that people that play video games would have bought a desktop for exactly that reason in the first place.

No, a lot of people DON'T do that.  Desktop PCs have been on a steady decline outside of a core demographic for a literal decade.  People who play video games are not just limited to the 'Enthusiast PC' demographic at all.  You ever notice that so many of the most popular games run on lower spec hardware?  It's to make the games accessible.  Lots of people really just have a laptop that they'll play stuff like Overwatch on a laptop with Intel graphics.  The i7 7500U machine I'm typing on right now will totally run Overwatch in what passes as 'good enough' for a number of gamers.

 

You can in no way assume that all 'people that play video games' have desktop PCs.  A lot, simply, do not.

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1 minute ago, emosun said:

why are we considering most users

we are considering the machines not the users.

a machine that costs 500$ can outperform a 500$ console. it can be done quite easily and is done so every day. 

If you consider the machines you also have to consider that practically every game is optimized, and the fact it includes a 4k blueray, as well as peripherals.

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No ones saying that consoles are obsolete or something like that. The original argument was whether or not a 500$ pc can be compared to a 500$ console since you need additional hardware for pc tasks anyway. I just don't think its a sensible comparison.

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Its both fair and unfair. While a lot of people now a days dont need computers because of cell phones and tablets doing what most people use a computer for it is justified if you are just using them both for gaming. However a computer does a lot more and has so many more background processes running compared to a console so gaming performance takes a hit because of that in direct comparisons. Also something that most videos dont show is price comparisons from other countries. The US is the easiest/cheapest country to build a PC in, other countries such as Australia have PC components way marked up where it doesnt make sense to build a PC for the same price as a console. So my ending answer is its not perfect but its the best comparison that can be made.

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29 minutes ago, Sauron said:

What stops you from using a tv with a pc? And peripherals are dirt cheap. But I do think it's fair to compare them, if nothing else to know how they stack up.

@TaylarRoids what if you have a laptop?

I use a laptop and a TV instead of a PC although I am collecting saving to build one 

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2 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

You can in no way assume that all 'people that play video games' have desktop PCs.  A lot, simply, do not.

I never did. And I agree to you. But you gotta admit that your argument kinda goes both ways. A lot of people that buy Laptops never intended to play games on them (and wouldn't either on a console)

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Just now, QuantumBit said:

as well as peripherals.

would you stop it with the periferals i can go find a free keyboard and mouse right now if i didnt have piles of them lying around. 

1 minute ago, QuantumBit said:

If you consider the machines you also have to consider that practically every game is optimized, and the fact it includes a 4k blueray

ok then you have to consider every possible bit of software the pc can run/emulate plus every game and software that exists on that platform for the past 40 years or so. plus every bit of hardware that is compatible and can be used/adapted to a pc from the past 40 years.

but oh , the game console has an optical disk media that a few people kind of use...... super interesting.

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10 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

No, a lot of people DON'T do that.  Desktop PCs have been on a steady decline outside of a core demographic for a literal decade.  People who play video games are not just limited to the 'Enthusiast PC' demographic at all.  You ever notice that so many of the most popular games run on lower spec hardware?  It's to make the games accessible.  Lots of people really just have a laptop that they'll play stuff like Overwatch on a laptop with Intel graphics.  The i7 7500U machine I'm typing on right now will totally run Overwatch in what passes as 'good enough' for a number of gamers.

 

You can in no way assume that all 'people that play video games' have desktop PCs.  A lot, simply, do not.

It's like mainstream music, it's made to sound good while you're listening to it on a 20$ pair of headphones, there's also music that you need a nice hifi setup to listen to.

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14 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

Humans can learn anything but they can't learn everything.

 

Doesn't mean I can't try. :P

 

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3 hours ago, emosun said:

would you stop it with the periferals i can go find a free keyboard and mouse right now if i didnt have piles of them lying around. 

ok then you have to consider every possible bit of software the pc can run/emulate plus every game and software that exists on that platform for the past 40 years or so. plus every bit of hardware that is compatible and can be used/adapted to a pc from the past 40 years.

but oh , the game console has an optical disk media that a few people kind of use...... super interesting.

as well as the thing i always discuss about steam workshop

 

3 hours ago, NotTheRelaxngEnd said:

as well as the thing i always discuss about steam workshop

and cross platform, a

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I wouldn't pay any amount of money to be locked in with the xbox library. No thanks.

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Guys, I just had a kind of an epiphany. Why shouldnt Microsoft just allow/enable people to run Windows OS on their XBox so it could be used like a desktop pc? I mean technically that should be doable, right?

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7 minutes ago, Zodiark1593 said:

Doesn't mean I can't try. :P

 

Optimistic for life xD 

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4 minutes ago, emosun said:

would you stop it with the periferals i can go find a free keyboard and mouse right now if i didnt have piles of them lying around. 

ok then you have to consider every possible bit of software the pc can run/emulate plus every game and software that exists on that platform for the past 40 years or so. plus every bit of hardware that is compatible and can be used/adapted to a pc from the past 40 years.

but oh , the game console has an optical disk media that a few people kind of use...... super interesting.

You got a point, but I dont think people buy consoles for "doing everything" In an all around sense, yes a PC wins, but for gaming at that budget, I'm pretty sure a console will win.

 

 

 

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Just now, black0utm1rage said:

Why shouldnt Microsoft just allow/enable people to run Windows OS on their XBox so it could be used like a desktop pc? I mean technically that should be doable, right?

have you met microsoft?

How are they supposed to control you with that kind of openess available? blasphemy 

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1 minute ago, sambarr said:

I wouldn't pay any amount of money to be locked in with the xbox library. No thanks.

Whats wrong with the games that run on Xbone? The only gripe I had would be that it doesn't run Bloodborne and we have Sony to thank for that...

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7 minutes ago, emosun said:

plus every game and software that exists on that platform for the past 40 years or so

This is patently false.  There are lots, and lots, and lots of PC Games that will flat out not run on a modern PC.  For the DOS era there's DOSbox but even DOSbox can require very specific configurations for individual games to run correctly.  There's a unpleasant number of PC Windows games running between the Windows 3.X through to the Windows XP era that just won't run on a current PC because there are no developers outputting patches to keep them running on contemporary OSs.  Some games get fan made patches or even entire engine rebuilds sure but this is really only for games that have cult followings.  You truly can't say 'A PC can run any game on the PC platform from the last 40 years'.

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7 minutes ago, AshleyAshes said:

This is patently false.  There are lots, and lots, and lots of PC Games that will flat out not run on a modern PC.  For the DOS era there's DOSbox but even DOSbox can require very specific configurations for individual games to run correctly.  There's a unpleasent number of PC Windows games running between the Windows 95 through to the Windows XP era that just won't run on a current PC because there are no developers outputting patches to keep them running on contemporary OSs.  Some games get fan made patches or even entire engine rebuilds sure but this is really only for games that have cult followings.  You truly can't say 'A PC can run any game on the PC platform from the last 40 years'.

Most of them can me emulated though and most of those operating systems can be run inside your operating system as a virtual machine

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1 minute ago, AshleyAshes said:

You truly can't say 'A PC can run any game on the PC platform from the last 40 years'.

Are you saying the limited locked down "here's what's in the store" option is somehow better?

one thing pc HAS master is emulation of pretty much anything before about 1994 ish. and just about anything past 2001. infact , the only era where there might be a problem is the late 90's as you've mentioned.

still , more versatile than a console by far. this is just one of many favorable things a pc does is old emulation. hardware compatibility and adaptability is overwhelming in pc , while xbox isn't compatible with pretty much any hardware that isn't specifically for it. 

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