8 core Ryzen 3

[Coaxialgamer]

46 minutes ago, Simon771 said:

It's called SMT on AMD and not hyperthreading.

Isn't hyperthreading and SMT enabled by changing CPU code? It's not something you have to physically add to the CPU die.

 

Not sure exactly what happened, but last time I check they did cut connections to other parts of the CPU with laser, so you wouldn't be able to just enable all the extra cores.

 

SMT requires extra hardware to work . Mainly , the scheduler and decoder need to be beefier, and the ALU needs to have enough ports.

It's actually not that much hardware though .

 

 

OP: if this is real , it's possible someone is fucking up in manufacturing , labeling cpus as different SKU's as intended

 

[79wjd]

Just now, ONOTech said:

My only issue with this claim is that the all Ryzen chips, minus the Ryzen 3, have SMT. The "8 core" Ryzen 3 chip has no SMT and scales how you'd expect.

 

Of course that can also be easily faked, but some food for thought I suppose. Considering AMD's great yields, I wouldn't be surprised if there really was a batch of R5s and R3s that with more cores than advertised.

It's possible, but it really is just so easily faked that I wouldn't put much stock in it until I've seen someone reputable show it.

[samcool55]

1 minute ago, djdwosk97 said:

Can only MSI employees make blog posts? 

I think so, the latest posts are from Victoria or Shrek so i think it's just a handful of people working for MSI that write and maintain the blogposts.

 

There are also always a bunch of pictures of the bios and the motherboard so it seems like they are partially marketing too. Looking at the quality of the motherboard pictures it seems to be done with gear the average gamer won't have laying around.

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, cj09beira said:

You have Ezero evidence of that, just because it can be faked it doesn't mean it was faked

Just to add that faking CPU-Z is hard. It has security methods to stop people from manipulating results. While I can tweak the registry to make Windows show things like this:

 

 

I couldnt do so with newer CPU-Z versions.

[Bananasplit_00]

This was reported out if Korea ages ago, but with Ryzen 5 chips only IIRC

[Misanthrope]

I think someone on China or such has figured out how to unlock this chips which isn't surprising. Man I'd love to gamble at turning my 1600 into an 8 core it's cheap enough that if I botch it I can just buy another one.

[Doobeedoo]

Woah that's sweet! AMD loot boxes

[Godlygamer23]

1 hour ago, herman mcpootis said:

i'm curious as to why it doesn't have hyperthreading

Remember that hyper-threading is a trademarked name from Intel for their SMT tech. For AMD, it would just be SMT unless they have a name for theirs.

[Okjoek]

Fake or not, AMD's gotta love this press.

[Simon771]

1 hour ago, Coaxialgamer said:

SMT requires extra hardware to work . Mainly , the scheduler and decoder need to be beefier, and the ALU needs to have enough ports.

It's actually not that much hardware though .

Didn't know that, so thanks for educating me on that field. For some reason I always thought it was just a matter of few more programming lines in CPU controller or something.

[Sauron]

Since there seems to be a relatively small performance benefit I would assume this chip has botched microcode and erroneously reports 8 cores - windows isn't bothered because it can still access 8 threads, which are in fact present.

[Jurrunio]

4 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Since there seems to be no performance benefit I would assume this chip has botched microcode and erroneously reports 8 cores - windows isn't bothered because it can still access 8 threads, which are in fact present.

how could there be no performance benefit? The Cinebench R15 score is more than 800 at stock 3.1GHz speed. For your reference, by 2600k overclocked to 4.5GHz scored 811.

[Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

how could there be no performance benefit? The Cinebench R15 score is more than 800 at stock 3.1GHz speed. For your reference, by 2600k overclocked to 4.5GHz scored 811.

The 2600k has a lower IPC and only has 4 cores - if this were a true 8 core at 3.1 GHz it would have smashed that result. But you're right, it did make a difference compared to a "normal" R3. It almost looks like it's a 6 core, reporting 8, when it should only have 4. Very weird.

[schwellmo92]

9 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

 

Again, all of it is fake.

 

It’s funny how arrogant and certain you are that this is all a sham. I can say for absolute fact the 8c/16t Ryzen 5 1600’s are NOT fake as I have one myself.

[pyrojoe34]

Yea I don't buy it. Plus that Cinebench score is about stock 1500X levels. With a beefy enough OC (probably would need LN2) you could probably get a 1200 to that score with its normal core count. At best he just changed something to report incorrect core count or maybe found a way to unlock the SMT, but most likely it's completely fake. Even a stock 6c 1600 beats that score by like 300+ points.

[Jurrunio]

Anyone with a Ryzen 7 to test the authenticity of the Cinebench R15 results? Just underclock it to 3.1GHz and disable SMT. Memory frequency is unknown, so please test with 2133 and as high as you've got. Thanks!

[8uhbbhu8]

I think there is a possibility this is true. I also wonder if there's a chance you could unlock more cores on some of these chips.... Remember the old Sempron and Athlon cpus that if you were lucky could be unlocked for more cores?  

[Rune]

17 hours ago, samcool55 said:

I mean it's so rare nobody is going to run out buying an r5 1600 with the hope it has 8 cores. it's just way too rare to hope for such thing.

A few buttheads tried to buy some from us and ended up returning them all. Slapped them with a restock fee. This is why we can't have nice things

[Matu20]

Either AMD fucked up, or the yields are so great.

[schwellmo92]

Ryzen 3 1200 at stock gets 450-480 so the Cinebench scores match up. My OC’d 1200 got 570.

[Space Reptile]

23 hours ago, herman mcpootis said:

either it's a big lie or someone at the manufacturing facility's REALLY fucking up at their jobs. i'm curious as to why it doesn't have hyperthreading.

but take it with a grain of salt.

well i have seen these 2 

 

https://valid.x86.fr/wwe494 

https://valid.x86.fr/4yg5kv

 

they certainly exist , somewhat 

[schwellmo92]

Here's my 1600 with 8 cores https://streamable.com/98yrl and you can see my prior 1200 which got a 472 at stock.

[lightningterror]

I believe this is AMDs intention. They have high yields so this just saves them the trouble of disabling cores to meet demand for lower end chips.

How do we get more people to buy Ryzen chips? I know since people will be deciding between X amd chip and Y intel chip why don't we also include a lottery. Have a medium to high chance to get an even better chip in disguise. This way people will be even more driven to buy the amd chip.

 

And if they don't win the lottery of getting the hidden chip then the consumer doesn't lose anything since they were originally deciding between X and Y to begin with.

 

Everybody wins. Consumers get more bang for the buck, amd gets money.

[Jurrunio]

29 minutes ago, schwellmo92 said:

Here's my 1600 with 8 cores https://streamable.com/98yrl and you can see my prior 1200 which got a 472 at stock.

Can you show us a CPU-Z screenshot? Task Manager and Cinebench can be fooled with registry tricks so they arent authentic

 

 

Spent 10 seconds tweaking the registry and I transformed a i7 2600k into a Ryzen 5 2600.

[schwellmo92]

3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Can you show us a CPU-Z screenshot? Task Manager and Cinebench can be fooled with registry tricks so they arent authentic

 

 

Spent 10 seconds tweaking the registry and I transformed a i7 2600k into a Ryzen 5 2600.

Yes but yours is still only showing 4 cores whereas mine is showing 8 in the cinebench video. I’m out of town on business at the moment but when I return in a couple days I can get it for you.