Apple iPhone 11 Chipset Being Made By Intel

[TheCherryKing]

If battery capacity increased drastically x86 processors would make a lot of sense in mobile devices. 

[Trixanity]

10 hours ago, TheCherryKing said:

If battery capacity increased drastically x86 processors would make a lot of sense in mobile devices. 

Not really. It wasn't really battery life that killed x86 although it certainly didn't help. TDP needs to be much lower without going into poor performance levels - x86 resulted in both too high TDP and poor performance at its given power target. You'd need to design an architecture with mobile first in mind and I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

And even if x86 surpassed ARM it still would have been a pointless endeavor as it can't dethrone ARM and would end up like Atom did. 

[TheCherryKing]

2 hours ago, Trixanity said:

Not really. It wasn't really battery life that killed x86 although it certainly didn't help. TDP needs to be much lower without going into poor performance levels - x86 resulted in both too high TDP and poor performance at its given power target. You'd need to design an architecture with mobile first in mind and I don't see that happening any time soon.

 

And even if x86 surpassed ARM it still would have been a pointless endeavor as it can't dethrone ARM and would end up like Atom did. 

If the batteries are higher capacity the TDP can be higher as well as the performance, 

[Trixanity]

2 hours ago, TheCherryKing said:

If the batteries are higher capacity the TDP can be higher as well as the performance, 

No. It cannot.

 

You need to cool the device and we're already seeing ARM devices throttle. Cramming 2W or higher chips into a phone is not possible unless you intend to start fires with it. Likewise there is a frequency ceiling and an efficiency curve you need to maintain. You don't want to go crazy with power and heat in a phone form factor. It's really just that simple.

 

The fact is that x86 is at a consistent disadvantage; both in price and in low power scenarios. Otherwise Intel would have brought their Core architecture to mobile in the first place instead of Atom. It's just not gonna work in any real world scenario. Intel would be better off developing a high performance ARM chip (which they won't) rather than go about trying x86 again.

[TheCherryKing]

3 hours ago, Trixanity said:

No. It cannot.

 

You need to cool the device and we're already seeing ARM devices throttle. Cramming 2W or higher chips into a phone is not possible unless you intend to start fires with it. Likewise there is a frequency ceiling and an efficiency curve you need to maintain. You don't want to go crazy with power and heat in a phone form factor. It's really just that simple.

 

The fact is that x86 is at a consistent disadvantage; both in price and in low power scenarios. Otherwise Intel would have brought their Core architecture to mobile in the first place instead of Atom. It's just not gonna work in any real world scenario. Intel would be better off developing a high performance ARM chip (which they won't) rather than go about trying x86 again.

Improve the cooling technology too