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7 hours ago, Smoofie said:

Emission friendly isn't eco friendly tho, especially when  it's coals powering the charge points and required materials for the batteries are also not mined in what one would say an eco friendly environment. I also cant imagine a hundred trucks are more economic than a single train, when it comes to containers.

 

And? All the more reason to shut down coal and replace it with something more efficient and more environmentally friendly:

Natural Gas (Still a pollutant, but less so over Coal)

Nuclear

Solar/Wind

Hydro

 

Obviously Wind and Hydro are dependent on local conditions, but there are way better methods of electric power generation over Coal.

 

Take Ontario: There's not a single Coal plant left in the province, and we only have a handful of Natural Gas plants. Most power comes from Nuclear, then Hydro. Both are incredibly environmentally friendly.

2 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I still think it's funny that Tesla named their cars S, 3 and X.

Actually the Model 3 WAS going to be called the Model E (And therefore, it would actually spell SEX, not S3X) - but Ford sued them, because Ford owns trademarks and copyright with "Model E", due to several vehicles they do/have sold.

23 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

Something most Tesla drivers will never have.

You sound a little bitter - I'm sure most of them get just as much sex as any other normal person.

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1 minute ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Elon stated he himself had no plans on building it back when he first talked about it.

 

Did he not announce that only 2 months ago? Besides that SpaceX, not Tesla.

Yep Elon came up with the concept. Other companies are actually attempting to build them.

 

And yes, SpaceX just talked about that with their new Rocket.

 

People need to calm the fuck down when it comes to Tesla - they expect too much, too quickly, and get mad when he doesn't meet goals that he didn't even set.

 

I will acknowledge that Tesla is way behind on Model 3 production though.

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53 minutes ago, Bigbootyjudy said:

Well I wasn't really expecting to start manufacturing/developing semi trucks, you never know lol. 

 

I think they could as like a luxury passenger vehicle. I personally think that it would be nice to have a very quiet 7-8 passenger vehicle. 

some models of the X seat 7.

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14 hours ago, dizmo said:

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I think it also depends hugely on the cost. A lot of truckers are private, and if the truck is priced too high it'll be hard for it to gain traction. 1,000,000 mile warranty might seem crazy, but it's actually pretty short in the scheme of things.

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Since the sticker price wasn't disclosed at the presentation I am worried about the upfront cost, but depending on how it's financed it could competitive since the cost per mile is basically guaranteed to be at least $0.25/mile cheaper. If the truck is driven 1,000,000 miles that would be a savings of $250,000. It would have to be in a scenario where the truck is worked to death for the 1,000,000 miles for this to be the case though. If the truck's autopilot eventually allows one driver at the front of a convoy control more than just one vehicle on the road at the same time (some driverless trucks following a manned front runner) this could be very profitable (since there would be less human capital to pay for per unit of freight).

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4 hours ago, djdwosk97 said:

2.3 vs 1.9 is probably a massive difference. 4.2 feels significantly faster than 4.6, so that trend probably continues.

When cars are that fast the technical challenges to make them faster is immense. Adding more power isn't that effective and while reducing weight is the most effective it also reduces static traction which is pretty much the most important thing to have, which is why modern 4WD high performance cars can get off the line faster than 2WD.

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4 hours ago, aubryscully said:

The average internal combustion engine can only convert 20% of the raw energy of fuel into usable mechanical energy. A modern coal power plant can convert 80% of this raw energy into electrical energy. Therefore EVs are actually much more environmentally friendly. Also, not all power has to be produced by coal. You can also produce it via wind, hydro, solar, or even nuclear.

Agreed about the EV vehicles. Especially when the power you are getting is renewable. (Although that doesn't account for the cost of the natural devastation created by flooding a large area to build hydro stations.) If it weren't for the fact that my country get so damn cold and snowy in winter, i'd say electric vehicles would be a huge hit here. Especially considering over 92% of our power is hydro and thanks to that our electricity is super cheap.

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15 hours ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Long-haul is probably forever out with battery tech. Would need massive shifts before that happens. However, this could be very interesting for short-haul and local-haul. 

Personally, I was hoping to see innovation in the diesel electric area. Having that incredible versatility and simplicity while being able to just fill a tank, and go? That would be downright amazing. Maybe someone else will do it?

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Something worth noting is that their quoted range is at full legal load allowed on the freeway. Most 40ft shipping containers allow for a maximum of 68,000 pounds, well below what they were tested at. On top of that, containers are often far lighter based on what's inside. The 500 mile range will likely be closer to 600 or 700, and the fact that 80% of trips made are under 250 miles is a pretty important point from the presentation.

 

5 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

 

i think part of doing semi trucks is to establish a network of charging stations. That way it becomes more feasible for consumers to use their cars as they could charge anywhere. 

They already have a network of charging stations....

I don't think the commercial one would be the same as the consumer ones.

3 hours ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

I still think it's funny that Tesla named their cars S, 3 and X.

I think originally the 3 was supposed to be the E, but they abandoned it.

2 hours ago, mr moose said:

 

Freight trains are already electric, they just have diesel generators on board to power the motors.  A battery bank would allow for regenerative brakes and improve general efficiency.

 

Also there are places that run electric freight trains. Here In Australia for example. 

For some reason I think if it were something worth doing, they'd have already done it.

44 minutes ago, ATFink said:

Since the sticker price wasn't disclosed at the presentation I am worried about the upfront cost, but depending on how it's financed it could competitive since the cost per mile is basically guaranteed to be at least $0.25/mile cheaper. If the truck is driven 1,000,000 miles that would be a savings of $250,000. It would have to be in a scenario where the truck is worked to death for the 1,000,000 miles for this to be the case though. If the truck's autopilot eventually allows one driver at the front of a convoy control more than just one vehicle on the road at the same time (some driverless trucks following a manned front runner) this could be very profitable (since there would be less human capital to pay for per unit of freight).

Yeah, that'd definitely be an interesting thought. I think a convoy like that is still pretty far from being considered acceptable though. Though since highways are generally pretty well laid out and maintained, it's not unfeasible that you could have individual drivers drive the trucks to the highway, turn into a convoy there where it's "safer", then get drivers to navigate through the city on the other side. Though, considering most trips are under 250 miles, I don't think it'd be a huge concern any time soon.

 

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5 minutes ago, dizmo said:

For some reason I think if it were something worth doing, they'd have already done it.

 

Just like tesla only really being able to get electric trucks on the road now, the same tech is only really starting to become viable now.

 

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/australia-nz/auckland-council-approves-order-for-caf-battery-electric-trains.html

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1 hour ago, Dissitesuxba11s said:

For those curious, here is what being in the passenger seat of the roadster is like.

 

 

Can't wait to see the crashes people have in these. A person who isn't into cars driving something capable of 0-160mph in less than nine seconds doesn't mix.

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19 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Just like tesla only really being able to get electric trucks on the road now, the same tech is only really starting to become viable now.

 

http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/australia-nz/auckland-council-approves-order-for-caf-battery-electric-trains.html

Interesting. Regenerative braking isn't really anything new and they've had diesel electric trains for what, almost 90 years?

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With Deisel-Electric having been around for some time on locomotives I am genuinely surprised we have yet developed a diesel-electric semi-truck already honestly. The torque that electric motors produce is monstrous.

I for one am happy to see this announcement.

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18 hours ago, Phate.exe said:

I'm hesitant to buy tesla's numbers here.  It seems like they would have to have made some serious advancements to motor/battery and tire tech just to make a car like that possible, and I feel like they'd be shouting about that a lot more if that was the case.

Tires are not a problem.

There already are vehicles which can do under 1 second 0-60.

 

Motor tech is already extremely good, as you can see from the Rimac Concept One or other Tesla vehicles.

It is definitely possible to reach those accelerations with electric motors.

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So many people nitpicking scenarios that may or may not happen essentially putting down a more economical and environmentally-friendly technology in favor of fossil fuels.

 

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53 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Interesting. Regenerative braking isn't really anything new and they've had diesel electric trains for what, almost 90 years?

That's my point.  essentially they're just waiting for batteries to become good enough.  Even though my main point was simply questioning the claim about being more economic than rail transport (especially given rail transport for heavy goods is tens times more efficient than current trucks, either the telsa truck is 10 times more efficient than current trucks or current trains don't need to do much to become better again).

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Interesting, but I am still waiting if they pull off an electric truck.  (The cars are neat, but I don't care to own one.  I rather have a truck)

 

Considering Ford coming out with a hybrid F150 in 2020, VIA and Workhorse have working hybrid trucks (Workhorse making drones and electric vans for UPS).  Seems Telsa better get working on releasing a truck soon.

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52 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Tires are not a problem.

There already are vehicles which can do under 1 second 0-60.

Street tires.  Not gummy drag slicks on a prepped surface.  I've seen much slower cars pull the front wheels off the ground coming off the line.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if those numbers were on on drag radials or something.

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3 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

Street tires.  Not gummy drag slicks on a prepped surface.  I've seen much slower cars pull the front wheels off the ground coming off the line.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if those numbers were on on drag radials or something.

Yeah of course, point is that tires can be engineered to take what is necessary.

A $250k car would not be designed with tires that would break after a few accelerations, especially from a company such as Tesla.

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Just now, Enderman said:

Yeah of course, point is that tires can be engineered to take what is necessary.

A $250k car would not be designed with tires that would break after a few accelerations, especially from a company such as Tesla.

It's not a matter of "they'll break after a few launches"

 

It's a matter of "They only work on dry or prepped pavement, you'll die if you try to drive in the rain".

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3 minutes ago, Phate.exe said:

It's not a matter of "they'll break after a few launches"

 

It's a matter of "They only work on dry or prepped pavement, you'll die if you try to drive in the rain".

You know that plenty of sports cars that already exist today have tires that work fine both on dry pavement AND in rain?? :o

Obviously don't expect 1.9s 0-60 in rain or dirty pavement, but only idiot drivers would try to do something unsafe like that.

That's not a problem of the tires, that's on the driver.

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