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Firefox 57 (aka Quantum) out now. Huge performance improvements.

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11 hours ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Yea 4GB is a bit on the low end for even basic modern use. Especially if you're on a newer OS like Win 10. Even without anything running the OS wants ~1.5GB, add in a few background processes, a browser, and some office programs and you're out of RAM and relying slower virtual memory on the disk. Is it upgradable? I've got an older laptop (2nd gen mobile i5) but I upped it to 8GB of RAM with an SSD and it still works really well for any basic tasks like web browsing, office programs, etc.

Times sure has changed. I remember when 4GB was considered moderate to high end. People who bought 8GB of RAM were told they were wasting their money.

That was not too long ago (post Windows 7 launch at least).

 

Programs sure has gotten bloated in the past couple of years.

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Maybe one should try it.

I've been using Pale Moon as my main browser for years now and Edge as secondary.


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From what I've read, nothing is groundbreaking, Firefox just sucks less. Which is a sad thing to say because it was my main many years ago without hesitation.

 

No matter what browser I use, I always find myself returning to Chrome because it just works and I have the ram to make the usage a non-issue. I was an avid Opera user, but I recall little janky things it failed at like certain video formats when embedded that Chrome played fine.


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I think I'm going to fully switch back to FireFox from Vivaldi. I wouldn't call it superior to Vivaldi in terms of features but at least I'm not getting serious audio sync issues like I was.


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1 hour ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

I think I'm going to fully switch back to FireFox from Vivaldi. I wouldn't call it superior to Vivaldi in terms of features but at least I'm not getting serious audio sync issues like I was.

What about security?Firefox is far older than Vivaldi.

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Just now, MyName13 said:

What about security?Firefox is far older than Vivaldi.

Vivaldi is Chromium based which is at most one month behind Chrome except in security patches.


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I've been using the new FF for a little bit now. Sure feels a lot better than chrome did for me the last few weeks


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7 minutes ago, DeadEyePsycho said:

Vivaldi is Chromium based which is at most one month behind Chrome except in security patches.

What exactly is chromium?Does it include html, css and JS engines?I've heard that it's a browser but I've never seen someone use it.

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1 minute ago, MyName13 said:

What exactly is chromium?Does it include html, css and JS engines?I've heard that it's a browser but I've never seen someone use it.

Chromium is chrome just open source without the Google stuff


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2 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Then why do we have chrome?Why hasn't anyone used chromium to make a fully open source browser?

Firefox and chromium are both fully open source (For Firefox, this is the case as long as you don't include the module that allows HTML5 based DRM).


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7 minutes ago, MyName13 said:

Then why do we have chrome?Why hasn't anyone used chromium to make a fully open source browser?

cause google

almost all browsers that aren't firefox, edge, safari are chromium based

Chromium is fully open source (so is FF btw)

If you want to the closest thing to chrome but without the big G BS, just use chromium for yourself, it's bot hard to install, just go to chromium.org and grab it


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Just now, MyName13 said:

Is Firefox based on chromium?

No, it is currently based on a hybrid of Gecko and Servo (Part of the reason for the big speed improvements were them incorporating Servo parts, and they are still replacing components of Gecko with Servo so it will only get better. (Servo is far better in regards to performance and security)) both of which are open source.


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3 hours ago, MyName13 said:

Then why do we have chrome?Why hasn't anyone used chromium to make a fully open source browser?

Chrome has the marketing power of Google behind it. If you use google and something other than chrome you are pestered to "upgrade to the fastest browser" and that "Google is better on chrome" (at collecting your personal information for the latter). This is probably why the majority of the market does not consider Firefox ,opera or Vivaldi , there is little advertisement for them.


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5 hours ago, Mooshi said:

From what I've read, nothing is groundbreaking, Firefox just sucks less. Which is a sad thing to say because it was my main many years ago without hesitation.

 

No matter what browser I use, I always find myself returning to Chrome because it just works and I have the ram to make the usage a non-issue. I was an avid Opera user, but I recall little janky things it failed at like certain video formats when embedded that Chrome played fine.

What do you not like about it? 

 

 

3 hours ago, tjcater said:

No, it is currently based on a hybrid of Gecko and Servo (Part of the reason for the big speed improvements were them incorporating Servo parts, and they are still replacing components of Gecko with Servo so it will only get better. (Servo is far better in regards to performance and security)) both of which are open source.

If we are going to be pedantic, Gecko and Servo are just layout engines. You need other components too such as ionmonkey (JS engine) to make a full browser. 

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7 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

What do you not like about it? 

 

When I still used Opera, there were certain things that didn't load right that had me opening up Chrome anyway so I switched entirely.

 

I did love speedials from Opera and have that set for Chrome.


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8 minutes ago, LAwLz said:

If we are going to be pedantic, Gecko and Servo are just layout engines. You need other components too such as ionmonkey (JS engine) to make a full browser. 

Fair enough, maybe I should show some love to Blink.


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16 minutes ago, Mooshi said:

When I still used Opera, there were certain things that didn't load right that had me opening up Chrome anyway so I switched entirely.

 

I did love speedials from Opera and have that set for Chrome.

Opera was infamous for being incompatible with pages. Firefox is not. 

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2 hours ago, LAwLz said:

Opera was infamous for being incompatible with pages. Firefox is not. 

I don't entirely remember what Firefox did that drove me away, but it was enough to switch even though that old PC had 8gb of ram.


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Woke up this morning to the new Firefox on mobile. A much better experience! So much faster and more responsive.  I'm a happy Firefox consumer again.

 

Maybe they wanted to test PC platforms before releasing the update on mobile?

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