Firefox 57 (aka Quantum) out now. Huge performance improvements.

[pyrojoe34]

9 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Hmmm Opera eh? I haven't tried that one yet. How is it? Does it import bookmarks nicely? 

Even when I was using 56/57 it only had one process, at most 2. Not 4. Interesting though, I'll check that out when I get home. 

 

I have 4GB. I have an SSD. 

Yea 4GB is a bit on the low end for even basic modern use. Especially if you're on a newer OS like Win 10. Even without anything running the OS wants ~1.5GB, add in a few background processes, a browser, and some office programs and you're out of RAM and relying slower virtual memory on the disk. Is it upgradable? I've got an older laptop (2nd gen mobile i5) but I upped it to 8GB of RAM with an SSD and it still works really well for any basic tasks like web browsing, office programs, etc.

[GoodBytes]

Just now, pyrojoe34 said:

Yea 4GB is a bit on the low end for even basic modern use. Especially if you're on a newer OS like Win 10. Even without anything running the OS wants ~1.5GB, add in a few background processes, a browser, and some office programs and you're out of RAM and relying slower virtual memory on the disk. Is it upgradable? I've got an older laptop (2nd gen mobile i5) but I upped it to 8GB of RAM with an SSD and it still works really well for any basic tasks like web browsing, office programs, etc.

Windows 10 memory usage adapts itself to how much RAM you have. The more you have, the more it load more stuff to RAM to improve the system responsiveness. You can install Windows 10 on 2GB of RAM, and you'll see that Windows 10 won't pass the 1GB mark, if I am not mistaken. The OS will even use compression on the RAM to avoid page file, if you need more of it, and you are tight.

[xAcid9]

2 hours ago, ScratchCat said:

If you have a lot of RAM Firefox will try improve performance by adding more content processes , these have a memory overhead (having more will increase memory usage even if only one tab is open). The fact that you have 7 Firefox processes ( from task manager) suggests that this is the case. ( I cannot remember if more than 4 content processes has been released yet )

 

CPU usage wise Firefox still isn't very efficient regarding video decoding and other tasks.

Mind you Opera was having 13 processes in that screenshot with 2 extensions loaded while FFox is fresh install.

 

Idle CPU usage is higher too... should be quite bad for laptop and i didn't enable power saving mode in Opera yet.

Of course not the most scientific test but i don't feel like spending a lot of time testing it. 

 

37 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Hmmm Opera eh? I haven't tried that one yet. How is it? Does it import bookmarks nicely? 

I think so.  You can import directly from another browser. It's based on Chromium anyway so the internal is similar to Chrome except with some features built in like adblock, mouse gesture, customizable speed dials, popup video and VPN support while in private mode. Recent beta build bring support for built-in VR player which i really love.. watching 360 porn Youtube video with Rift is easier now since i don't need to download the video first and play it locally. 

What i don't really like about it is font rendering is not as sharp as FFox but not that bad imo.

[Ryujin2003]

2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

I had no issue setting it to stock night theme, add the fact every website I go now offers night themes all is as dark as night.

I eventually found out, but find it out of place at the very bottom by itself.

 

I prefer to sort my top sites  in order of whose night theme is blacker.

 

[ScratchCat]

24 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Mind you Opera was having 13 processes in that screenshot with 2 extensions loaded while FFox is fresh install.

 

Idle CPU usage is higher too... should be quite bad for laptop and i didn't enable power saving mode in Opera yet.

Of course not the most scientific test but i don't feel like spending a lot of time testing it. 

 

I think so.  You can import directly from another browser. It's based on Chromium anyway so the internal is similar to Chrome except with some features built in like adblock, mouse gesture, customizable speed dials, popup video and VPN support while in private mode. Recent beta build bring support for built-in VR player which i really love.. watching 360 porn Youtube video with Rift is easier now since i don't need to download the video first and play it locally. 

What i don't really like about it is font rendering is not as sharp as FFox but not that bad imo.

Interesting, I did not see that. It seems that Firefox has been priding itself with its memory usage while the improvement has been negligible. Anything image heavy like Flickr causes Firefox to consume noticeable amounts of memory. 

 

Hopefully this his will be fixed soon.

[mynameisjuan]

2 minutes ago, ScratchCat said:

Anything image heavy like Flickr causes Firefox to consume noticeable amounts of memory.

And this is surprising how? Pictures are literally pools of data. Other than compressing it which uses even more CPU, no matter what browser you have it will use a ton of memory. 

[ScratchCat]

5 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

And this is surprising how? Pictures are literally pools of data. Other than compressing it which uses even more CPU, no matter what browser you have it will use a ton of memory. 

In comparison to other browsers Firefox does worse , the increase is greater (105->250mb for Firefox and 80 -> 124mb for Opera portable , just tested). 

[mynameisjuan]

Just now, ScratchCat said:

In comparison to other browsers Firefox does worse , the increase is greater (105->250mb for Firefox and 80 -> 124mb for Opera portable , just tested). 

Ok, thats a very minimal amount,  now compare load times CPU load and image quality? Want performance and better battery? Dont waste CPU compressing so you save 100mb of RAM. This thread is about performance. 

[Dabombinable]

14 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Ok, thats a very minimal amount,  now compare load times CPU load and image quality? Want performance and better battery? Dont waste CPU compressing so you save 100mb of RAM. This thread is about performance. 

TBH the more memory a browser uses on my desktop, the greater it performs (it currently has 12GB of RAM since I lost 1 of the 4GB sticks). When it comes to my laptop however its the opposite since the APU hogs 900MB of RAM after a BIOS update (up from 256MB), leaving Windows+programs with 3.1GB to use.

[mynameisjuan]

1 minute ago, Dabombinable said:

TBH the more memory a browser uses on my desktop, the greater it performs (it currently has 12GB of RAM since I lost 1 of the 4GB sticks). When it comes to my laptop however its the opposite since the APU hogs 900MB of RAM after a BIOS update (up from 256MB), leaving Windows+programs with 3.1GB to use.

Well RAM is the fastest source of data on a system so using it would make it perform greater....I dont know why people put their panties all up in a bunch when more RAM is used. Its like people buy 16gb to only use 8gb

[ScratchCat]

10 minutes ago, mynameisjuan said:

Well RAM is the fastest source of data on a system so using it would make it perform greater....I dont know why people put their panties all up in a bunch when more RAM is used. Its like people buy 16gb to only use 8gb

Using large amounts of RAM is perfectly fine , the Linux figure of speech : Unused RAM is wasted RAM fits this perfectly. However if the system consumes more RAM than it should and therefore adversely affects other applications or cannot cope with less RAM then that is a problem .

 

If application A runs 50% faster than application B but causes every other application to be moved to the swap or page file then that is an issue. 

In the case I was talking about Firefox on Flickr causes all other tabs to be moved to the page file , resulting in irritating reloads.

[dizmo]

2 hours ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Yea 4GB is a bit on the low end for even basic modern use. Especially if you're on a newer OS like Win 10. Even without anything running the OS wants ~1.5GB, add in a few background processes, a browser, and some office programs and you're out of RAM and relying slower virtual memory on the disk. Is it upgradable? I've got an older laptop (2nd gen mobile i5) but I upped it to 8GB of RAM with an SSD and it still works really well for any basic tasks like web browsing, office programs, etc.

Nah it's Windows 7. The machine is like 6 years old. It's not, it's soldered to the motherboard. It's the only real reason  I'd buy a new laptop, but this one does what I want it to flawlessly otherwise. It's basically just to use on the couch. 

2 hours ago, xAcid9 said:

 

 

I think so.  You can import directly from another browser. It's based on Chromium anyway so the internal is similar to Chrome except with some features built in like adblock, mouse gesture, customizable speed dials, popup video and VPN support while in private mode. Recent beta build bring support for built-in VR player which i really love.. watching 360 porn Youtube video with Rift is easier now since i don't need to download the video first and play it locally. 

What i don't really like about it is font rendering is not as sharp as FFox but not that bad imo.

Hmmm maybe I'll check it out. Though I'll probably wait until I get a new desktop and the completely reformat the laptop. 

[dizmo]

20 hours ago, Ryujin2003 said:

 

Last criticism.... It's 21st century. A night theme/mode should come standard. Don't make people have to install addons...

While this forum might love the dark theme, it's far from universal and pretty much everyone I know who would just use it casually would prefer the light theme I had to change it from their hybrid dark to something all light. 

19 hours ago, tjcater said:

While the night theme is not the default skin (They should make it the default IMO), it is included and is one of the first things in the theme selection. (Granted a regular user might not stumble across this, but I digress.)

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I'm pretty sure it shows you how to change it in their little tour does it not? 

[Guest]

Just now, dizmo said:

I'm pretty sure it shows you how to change it in their little tour does it not? 

I'm sure it does, but I haven't seen the tour in roughly half a year. Gotta also keep in mind that a great deal of people will forget what the tour showed (Like me, but I remember most of the features/locations at least... I think), so no solution there.

[dizmo]

20 minutes ago, tjcater said:

I'm sure it does, but I haven't seen the tour in roughly half a year. Gotta also keep in mind that a great deal of people will forget what the tour showed (Like me, but I remember most of the features/locations at least... I think), so no solution there.

When you update to Quantum it's pretty front and center. You actually have to click to skip it. Anyone who does has no one to lame but themselves, it's not like they didn't try to make it more obvious. 

[Guest]

Just now, dizmo said:

When you update to Quantum it's pretty front and center. You actually have to click to skip it. Anyone who does has no one to lame but themselves, it's not like they didn't try to make it more obvious. 

Didn't know they did tours on updates too. I've been using FF Nightly for a while, but this is the same install, and not a fresh install/upgrade like regular users see. So idk how the process works on the other branches such as stable or beta.

[imreloadin]

So I really like it on my desktop so I updated it on my OnePlus One and I can't figure out how to turn on the built-in dark theme on it. It was so easy on the desktop version it's driving me crazy on how I can't find it, if it even exists.

 

Just getting tired of seeing the glaring white bar at the top of my dark themed sites...

[Ryujin2003]

2 hours ago, dizmo said:

While this forum might love the dark theme, it's far from universal and pretty much everyone I know who would just use it casually would prefer the light theme I had to change it from their hybrid dark to something all light. 

I'm pretty sure it shows you how to change it in their little tour does it not? 

I like the dark theme just because all that white gets overpowering. It's a lot for the eyes to take sometimes. Especially at night time. Very hard on my eyes, and during in front of a PC all day, I really enjoy night theme. Intellij, Visual Studio, Mozilla, etc..

 

I like it for the practicality, not because I feel like it looks cooler.

 

#RGBandNightThemeAllThings

[dizmo]

3 minutes ago, Ryujin2003 said:

I like the dark theme just because all that white gets overpowering. It's a lot for the eyes to take sometimes. Especially at night time. Very hard on my eyes, and during in front of a PC all day, I really enjoy night theme. Intellij, Visual Studio, Mozilla, etc..

 

I like it for the practicality, not because I feel like it looks cooler.

 

#RGBandNightThemeAllThings

Practical for you. I find it the opposite; the dark theme strains my eyes more.

Then again, I don't sit staring at it in a pitch black room. I like to have lights on

[Ryujin2003]

6 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Practical for you. I find it the opposite; the dark theme strains my eyes more.

Then again, I don't sit staring at it in a pitch black room. I like to have lights on

During the day, with the industrial lights, no windows, two screens... It can be a strain on the eyes. So generally one screen with s night option helps from feeling like I'm getting blasted constantly, helps with headache and eye strain for me.

 

At home, in generally parting with the lights off because my kid is in bed. Small house, so I keep the lights off so it reduced the change of him walking up in the middle of the night and wandering it to see what in doing. I will turn the LEDs on at my desk. A little backlighting helps.

 

Also, if the lights were on, if see myself, and I might feel self conscious, lol. Jk.

 

I think a night theme is ok when done well.

 

A black border for a browser, surrounded by bright white websites really doesn't help things, and your right, I think that contrast stains my eyes more.  The browser works when everything else is the same relative color. Which doesn't really happen during night theme.

 

If say, my favorite part of Mozilla is there reading mode. Easy way to shut off those advertisements so I can actually read what the hell I went there for.

[dizmo]

3 hours ago, Ryujin2003 said:

A black border for a browser, surrounded by bright white websites really doesn't help things, and your right, I think that contrast stains my eyes more.  The browser works when everything else is the same relative color. Which doesn't really happen during night theme.

 

If say, my favorite part of Mozilla is there reading mode. Easy way to shut off those advertisements so I can actually read what the hell I went there for.

Yeah it was rather off putting for me. I do like how there's tons of options though, and finding a theme I liked wasn't too hard.

Makes me wonder if I should try themeing my Windows install

I'll have to check that out. There's some websites I'll visit that have so many ads, it bogs down my PC and I have to go back and try and find the info else where. Real pain in the ass.

[LAwLz]

11 hours ago, pyrojoe34 said:

Yea 4GB is a bit on the low end for even basic modern use. Especially if you're on a newer OS like Win 10. Even without anything running the OS wants ~1.5GB, add in a few background processes, a browser, and some office programs and you're out of RAM and relying slower virtual memory on the disk. Is it upgradable? I've got an older laptop (2nd gen mobile i5) but I upped it to 8GB of RAM with an SSD and it still works really well for any basic tasks like web browsing, office programs, etc.

Times sure has changed. I remember when 4GB was considered moderate to high end. People who bought 8GB of RAM were told they were wasting their money.

That was not too long ago (post Windows 7 launch at least).

 

Programs sure has gotten bloated in the past couple of years.

[snortingfrogs]

Maybe one should try it.

I've been using Pale Moon as my main browser for years now and Edge as secondary.

[Sebanisu]

Chrome has been acting up for me so i downloaded Firefox. I wonder if it'll be better.

[Mooshi]

From what I've read, nothing is groundbreaking, Firefox just sucks less. Which is a sad thing to say because it was my main many years ago without hesitation.

 

No matter what browser I use, I always find myself returning to Chrome because it just works and I have the ram to make the usage a non-issue. I was an avid Opera user, but I recall little janky things it failed at like certain video formats when embedded that Chrome played fine.