My attempt at a gaming pc

[Leonard]

Just now, dave_k said:

The higher-end boards do that.

Usually, the VRM should shut down at 105°C, buildzoid's Prime B350 Plus did run 117°C benchmarking, here is Strix B350-F at 120°C from OCN

Gawd....that took long, i thought you had all this "knowledge" on tap....*low blow*..........anyway this is not what i asked, i asked if you can show me an ASUS MOBO that will run past what the manufacture had deemed to be "allowed". It is public knowledge that VRMs, even though specified to run at a specified temperature can and will run past it if need be(whatever the reason) but once the MOBO does not go close to the redline temperature it will run and run fine, yes you may get discoloration on the back end of the PCB where the MOBO is but is will run fine and MOBO PCBs have come along way since the blue ones.

 

If you check all my replies, i talked about ASUS MOBOs and not any other brand because their build quality surpasses what the post as acceptable and can usually run past what is stated to be the temperature limit/max and this is where the MOBO comes in regarding voltage and temperatures, once it sees the temperature to get close to a limit it will auto shut down, we see it as a blue screen and boot into BIOS for you to make adjustments which means to lower whatever you raised  or lowered from default configuration that will cause some issue that the user or as you put it "average joe" may not understand.

[just_dave]

50 minutes ago, Leonard said:

It is public knowledge that VRMs, even though specified to run at a specified temperature can and will run past it if need be(whatever the reason) but once the MOBO does not go close to the redline temperature it will run and run fine, yes you may get discoloration on the back end of the PCB where the MOBO is but is will run fine and MOBO PCBs have come along way since the blue ones.

I wouldn't call exploding caps a PCB discoloration.

[DocSwag]

57 minutes ago, Leonard said:

Gawd....that took long, i thought you had all this "knowledge" on tap....*low blow*..........anyway this is not what i asked, i asked if you can show me an ASUS MOBO that will run past what the manufacture had deemed to be "allowed". It is public knowledge that VRMs, even though specified to run at a specified temperature can and will run past it if need be(whatever the reason) but once the MOBO does not go close to the redline temperature it will run and run fine, yes you may get discoloration on the back end of the PCB where the MOBO is but is will run fine and MOBO PCBs have come along way since the blue ones.

 

If you check all my replies, i talked about ASUS MOBOs and not any other brand because their build quality surpasses what the post as acceptable and can usually run past what is stated to be the temperature limit/max and this is where the MOBO comes in regarding voltage and temperatures, once it sees the temperature to get close to a limit it will auto shut down, we see it as a blue screen and boot into BIOS for you to make adjustments which means to lower whatever you raised  or lowered from default configuration that will cause some issue that the user or as you put it "average joe" may not understand.

 

58 minutes ago, Leonard said:

Gawd....that took long, i thought you had all this "knowledge" on tap....*low blow*..........anyway this is not what i asked, i asked if you can show me an ASUS MOBO that will run past what the manufacture had deemed to be "allowed". It is public knowledge that VRMs, even though specified to run at a specified temperature can and will run past it if need be(whatever the reason) but once the MOBO does not go close to the redline temperature it will run and run fine, yes you may get discoloration on the back end of the PCB where the MOBO is but is will run fine and MOBO PCBs have come along way since the blue ones.

 

If you check all my replies, i talked about ASUS MOBOs and not any other brand because their build quality surpasses what the post as acceptable and can usually run past what is stated to be the temperature limit/max and this is where the MOBO comes in regarding voltage and temperatures, once it sees the temperature to get close to a limit it will auto shut down, we see it as a blue screen and boot into BIOS for you to make adjustments which means to lower whatever you raised  or lowered from default configuration that will cause some issue that the user or as you put it "average joe" may not understand.

Do you have evidence these things actually have working protections?

 

On the Rampage VI Extreme it starts throttling at 100C. The Prime Plus @dave_k showed was going up to over 120C (and the mosfets themselves were probably even hotter, possibly over 125C due to thermal resistance of the casing itself)

 

125C on the mosfets is high enough to potentially affect the caps.

[Leonard]

19 minutes ago, DocSwag said:

 

Do you have evidence these things actually have working protections?

 

On the Rampage VI Extreme it starts throttling at 100C. The Prime Plus @dave_k showed was going up to over 120C (and the mosfets themselves were probably even hotter, possibly over 125C due to thermal resistance of the casing itself)

 

125C on the mosfets is high enough to potentially affect the caps.

Do you have proof that the board in question does not have working protections?

 

When have i ever stated that the temperature would not affect the caps?....i said that the MOBO will shut down and post into BIOS for the user to make adjustments to changes that were made.

 

You and dave_k are harping that the VRM temperatures will make the caps blow and i am saying that the MOBO will shut down before that happens in the event of a BSOD.

 

The LX range of boards on Sandy bridge were also thought to not have enough cooling and somehow they still work without blown caps while OCed.

 

I am saying ASUS boards has always shown a track record of being able to handle what they specify and if they say you can run CPU X/Y on it then i have no reason to doubt them. I can't say the same for any other manufacture. 

 

If you and dave_k and even the whole of LTT decides that the MOBO i chose can be though over as a choice or that they would not recommend it that is fine i made that clear.

[DocSwag]

1 hour ago, Leonard said:

Do you have proof that the board in question does not have working protections?

 

When have i ever stated that the temperature would not affect the caps?....i said that the MOBO will shut down and post into BIOS for the user to make adjustments to changes that were made.

 

You and dave_k are harping that the VRM temperatures will make the caps blow and i am saying that the MOBO will shut down before that happens in the event of a BSOD.

 

The LX range of boards on Sandy bridge were also thought to not have enough cooling and somehow they still work without blown caps while OCed.

 

I am saying ASUS boards has always shown a track record of being able to handle what they specify and if they say you can run CPU X/Y on it then i have no reason to doubt them. I can't say the same for any other manufacture. 

 

If you and dave_k and even the whole of LTT decides that the MOBO i chose can be though over as a choice or that they would not recommend it that is fine i made that clear.

My evidence is not cold and hard evidence, but rather suggested evidence.

 

I showed that the Rampage VI Extreme was throttling when the mosfets reached 100C. In the video shown the Prime Plus was reaching over 120C on the mosfet casing (most likely the mosfets themselves were over 125C due to thermal resistance of the casing itself) yet still wasn't shutting down or throttling. 

 

If Asus had working temp protection on the Prime Plus it would've been throttling by then. Or shutting itself off. But it didn't.

 

That's not to mention that even IF they did have working temp protection, that temp protection WOULD limit your OCing potential. Which makes that water cooler kind of a waste.