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i5-8600k vs i7-7700k

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Just now, Taky said:

would the 8600k be faster for gaming? mostly games like cs, pubg and h1z1

Yes the i5 8600k is superior to the i7 7700k at gaming.


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even with a 144hz monitor? idk if that has any affect on it but just making sure. and also what is the 7700k better at?

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4 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes the i5 8600k is superior to the i7 7700k at gaming.

even with a 144hz monitor? idk if that has any affect on it but just making sure. and also what is the 7700k better at?

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1 minute ago, Taky said:

even with a 144hz monitor? idk if that has any affect on it but just making sure. and also what is the 7700k better at?

Yes even with a 144hz, it is better at nothing because Intel raised up the core count on this generation and whatever you may think of there is no rocket science, 6 cores (i5 8600k) is higher and better than 4 cores (i7 7700k).


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6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes even with a 144hz, it is better at nothing because Intel raised up the core count on this generation and whatever you may think of there is no rocket science, 6 cores (i5 8600k) is higher and better than 4 cores (i7 7700k).

thats not how it works at all, especially since most games don't even use more than 4 cores

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i'd say you're better off with the 7700k (or i7 8700k since they are about the same price but 8700k is better); the 8600k has a lower clock speed and most games won't end up using more than 4 cores anyway, so clock speed > core for gaming cpu; games rely more on gpu but cpu wise 4 cores and high clock speeds are what matter which is why 7700k is a best seller cpu despite things like ryzen which also have way more cores

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/3941vs3647

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10 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Yes even with a 144hz, it is better at nothing because Intel raised up the core count on this generation and whatever you may think of there is no rocket science, 6 cores (i5 8600k) is higher and better than 4 cores (i7 7700k).

the i7 has hyperthreading ( the i5 doesn't)

 


 

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9 minutes ago, General Winter said:

thats not how it works at all, especially since most games don't even use more than 4 cores

Modern games can use up to 16 threads, you're talking about garbage DX11 titles


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20 minutes ago, General Winter said:

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i'd say you're better off with the 7700k (or i7 8700k since they are about the same price but 8700k is better); 

 

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8600K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/3941vs3647

Er it cost $100 more...


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well you would expect a 8th generation core to be better than a previous generation core except say A corei3 those don't count lol

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I would be playing cs, pubg and h1z1 mostly and I might start streaming on twitch. Which would be better? and how high can I oc the i5-8600k

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Just now, suh)))))))))))) said:

if ur streaming i recommend the i7-7700k instead of the 8600k

 

but i would recommend u buy a r7 1700 or 1700x chip if ur streaming

so the 7700k would be better with streaming even with the 2 less cores?

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24 minutes ago, QuantumBit said:

Er it cost $100 more...

the i5-8600k is like $20 less than the 7700k in Canada. those user benchmarks prices are way off

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Just now, Taky said:

the i5-8600k is like $20 less than the 7700k in Canada. those user benchmarks prices are way off

He was comparing the 7700k to the 8700k, which cost $100 (USD) more.


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Just now, QuantumBit said:

He was comparing the 7700k to the 8700k, which cost $100 (USD) more.

oh yeah I'm definitely not buying the 8700k

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10 minutes ago, suh)))))))))))) said:

if ur streaming i recommend the i7-7700k instead of the 8600k

Stop telling people wrong stuff, learn it yourself first.


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9 minutes ago, Taky said:

so the 7700k would be better with streaming even with the 2 less cores?

Of course not he was feeding you crap the more cores the better for streaming since you'll be parallelizing a lot more workload so what he said makes no sense.


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Just now, Princess Cadence said:

Of course not he was feeding you crap the more cores the better for streaming since you'll be parallelizing a lot more workload so what he said makes no sense.

yeah that's what I thought that comment got me kinda confused

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4 minutes ago, Taky said:

yeah that's what I thought that comment got me kinda confused

hyper-threading helps a lot it adds the performance of the core by 30ish% it is great to have it but IT DOES NOT replace actual cores, just how there's a shit ton of videos showing 2c/4t IS NOT the same as 4c/4t, having 6c/6t is more performance than 4c/8t, actual physical core always > hyper-threaded threads.


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1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

hyper-threading helps a lot it adds the performance of the core by 30ish% it is great to have it but IT DOES NOT replace actual cores, just how there's a shit ton of videos showing 2c/4t IS NOT the same as 4c/4t, having 6c/6t is more performance than 4c/8t, actualy physical core always > hyper-threaded threads.

so that means I'm definitely gonna go with the i5-8600k but how high do you think i can overclock it with this build?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kNj2HN

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Exchange the PSU for the EVGA G2 or G3 since that is of superior built quality than the NEX.

 

You'll do on worse case scenario 4.7ghz, could stretch up to 4.8ghz even 4.85ghz... but if you want 5ghz deliding might become necessary.

 

Then again if you win the lottery it might 5ghz even without delidding, the AiO is sufficient to these overclocks provided you don't mind the chip running relatively hot... no throttling though.


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5 minutes ago, Taky said:

so that means I'm definitely gonna go with the i5-8600k but how high do you think i can overclock it with this build?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kNj2HN

Princess Cadence is right, go with the 8600K, you can check benchmarks on  youtube if you want. 8600k is superior to 7700k and there is no arguing. I myself have the 8600k overclocked at 5ghz with 1.290v, i won the silicon lottery in this case but from what i've seen you should have really high chances to get to 5ghz or close. I have the same AIO that you're getting and temps never go above 85C in gaming (I mostly play BF1 which is super cpu intensive and can get to 90% utilization). For other games i've never seen anything above 60% and 70C.

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