So apparently, the Intel/Radeon marriage is a thing that's happening

[Trixanity]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

 the topic at hand: Didn't we see a fabricated story recently where someone photoshopped "Vega inside" on a CFL box? 

I think the story you're referring to wasn't a shop but actually a poster for employee of the month (or something to that effect) and the employee was coincidentally named Vega.

At least that's what I recall.

[MageTank]

Just now, Trixanity said:

I think the story you're referring to wasn't a shop but actually a poster for employee of the month (or something to that effect) and the employee was coincidentally named Vega.

At least that's what I recall.

You are right, just googled it and found this article:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-amd-vega-mobile-cpu

 

Intel needs to seriously work on their elevator art. I'd be mighty creeped out if I opened that "Paul Inside" door, only for Paul to actually be standing inside. 

[Cookybiscuit]

I don't really care what happens so long as it's bad for Nvidia, taking the piss recently with their xx80Ti pricing.

[Sauron]

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A spokesman for AMD told the paper the chip it is working on with Intel won’t compete with its own Ryzen Mobile semiconductor that combines processing and graphics. The spokesman said the Intel chip is targeting gamers while the chip AMD is launching by the end of the year isn’t specialized to support that market specifically. “We’re playing in a complementary market,” the spokesman told the Wall Street Journal.

I don't see how chips with better igpus are not targeted at gamers... you're not going to use them in a render farm and the average non-gamer has had no need for better igpus in years.

 

I don't necessarily trust the WSJ much, especially since they aren't quoting any official statement, but they say we should get something official later today, so I guess we'll see.

[MageTank]

Just now, Cookybiscuit said:

I don't really care what happens so long as it's bad for Nvidia, taking the piss recently with their xx80Ti pricing.

What's wrong with the X80Ti pricing? From what I've seen in the states, the 1080 Ti is priced normally according to their previous X80 Ti cards since Kepler, which launched at $700. MSRP on the 1080 Ti is also $700. The 980 Ti was $650 MSRP, but they also did that to undercut the Fury X's launch, so it was a specialized case. 

 

Unless you are referring to mining causing prices to skyrocket, in which case, that's not really Nvidia's fault. What people do with their GPU's after they bring them to the market is out of their control. 

 

I will say, it's fairly easy for us in the states to find reference 1080 Ti's for $649, $50 less than MSRP, so it could also be a regional thing. I got a solid discount on my hybrid 1080 Ti, which normally retails for $850, I got it for $770, paying only 10% more than MSRP for a decent AIO strapped to it. 

[Rafy]

Intel just tweeted this out. Looks like it's official.

 

They are integrating their Coffee Lake laptop CPUs with AMD HBM2 graphics in one package. The press release does not mention whether it's Vega or not, just that it uses HBM2 memory.

 

According to the press release we should be hearing more during Q1 2018

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At the heart of this new design is EMIB, a small intelligent bridge that allows heterogeneous silicon to quickly pass information in extremely close proximity. EMIB eliminates height impact as well as manufacturing and design complexities, enabling faster, more powerful and more efficient products in smaller sizes. This is the first consumer product that takes advantage of EMIB.

 

The GPU design is a custom one made in collaboration with Intel, and as the quote above mentions the two are connected through the use of a custom interface named EMIB (Embedded Multi-Die Interconnect Bridge). 

 

They are touting it as a high performance solution, targeted at both gamers and productivity professionals alike. 

 

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https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-processor-combine-high-performance-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/

Edited November 6, 2017 by Rafy
Updated post with more information

[Cookybiscuit]

2 minutes ago, MageTank said:

What's wrong with the X80Ti pricing? From what I've seen in the states, the 1080 Ti is priced normally according to their previous X80 Ti cards since Kepler, which launched at $700. MSRP on the 1080 Ti is also $700. The 980 Ti was $650 MSRP, but they also did that to undercut the Fury X's launch, so it was a specialized case. 

 

Unless you are referring to mining causing prices to skyrocket, in which case, that's not really Nvidia's fault. What people do with their GPU's after they bring them to the market is out of their control. 

 

I will say, it's fairly easy for us in the states to find reference 1080 Ti's for $649, $50 less than MSRP, so it could also be a regional thing. I got a solid discount on my hybrid 1080 Ti, which normally retails for $850, I got it for $770, paying only 10% more than MSRP for a decent AIO strapped to it. 

Yeah actually you're right I must be losing it, looks like they've been $699 or there-abouts since 780Ti. I just remember there being a big price difference between my 780, 980Ti and 1080Ti, guess it's just shit USD/GBP exchange rates recently.

[MageTank]

Just now, Cookybiscuit said:

Yeah actually you're right I must be losing it, looks like they've been $699 or there-abouts since 780Ti. I just remember there being a big price difference between my 780, 980Ti and 1080Ti, guess it's just shit USD/GBP exchange rates recently.

Hopefully AMD can come back at the high-end on the GPU side, so that the X80 Ti cards have enough of a competition to lower their prices like they did during the Maxwell days. Either that, or wait for Nvidia to step on their toes once again, like they did with the 1070 Ti stepping on both the 1070 and 1080's toes. Hopefully Nvidia doesn't take my joke seriously, and end up delivering a 1085. Don't need another Fermi-esque product stack. 

[cj09beira]

4 minutes ago, anthonyjc2010 said:

I still don't understand why this is happening. The reason to choose a Ryzen APU is for the superior iGPU, if you take that away AMD's Ultrabook market is dead. I'm probably missing the big picture here, but I just don't get it.

supposedly this is a more expensive solution, although amd should have just done this themselves 

[Spenser1337]

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/amd-shares-surge-on-a-report-of-laptop-chip-deal-with-intel-to-fight-off-nvidia.html

 

nice, amd shares going up.

[cj09beira]

3 minutes ago, anthonyjc2010 said:

yeah... I still think this is going to take away a large amount of potential customers for AMD RYZEN APUs.

my guess is that they are hungry for market share, and this is a quick way to do it (gpu side)

[Princess Luna]

Honestly speaking I do wish Ice Lake was like i5 9600k 6c/12t with iGPU and the i7 9700k 8c/16t without iGPU to fit in the extra cores, I have never understood much why put the iGPU on unlocked highest end i7 on mainstream when 99% of people buying it will get a graphics card along but oh well...

[Morgan MLGman]

Soooo I accidentally broke the thread by trying to merge it a repost, because it contained another source. Should be good now, sorry guys!

[cj09beira]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

Honestly speaking I do wish Ice Lake was like i5 9600k 6c/12t with iGPU and the i7 9700k 8c/16t without iGPU to fit in the extra cores, I have never understood much why put the iGPU on unlocked highest end i7 on mainstream when 99% of people buying it will get a graphics card along but oh well...

its mostly because they use the same die down the chain for locked i7s/i5s 

[Bouzoo]

1 minute ago, Morgan MLGman said:

Soooo I accidentally broke the thread by trying to merge it a repost, because it contained another source. Should be good now, sorry guys!

Yeah I noticed. Thought someone acidentally deleted it. 

 

Anyhow, this has been known for months.

[Princess Luna]

Just now, cj09beira said:

its mostly because they use the same die down the chain for locked i7s/i5s 

I know, there's always a reason to, truth be told though it is disappointing to pay the i7 price tag like I did myself on my 6700 knowing that 33% of your CPU which is the iGPU will never be used... Intel releases new processors all the time that makes no sense like Kaby Lake-X but can't release something to attend market deficiency.

[cj09beira]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

I know, there's always a reason to, truth be told though it is disappointing to pay the i7 price tag like I did myself on my 6700 knowing that 33% of your CPU which is the iGPU will never be used... Intel releases new processors all the time that makes no sense like Kaby Lake-X but can't release something to attend market deficiency.

i think they are going to change that, maybe, as they talked about dividing the cpu in multiple silicon dies to make it cheaper, and have the gpu on a separate piece of silicon would help, but its intel we are talking about here they would not give us lower prices because of that 

[captain cactus]

sauce: https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/new-intel-core-processor-combine-high-performance-cpu-discrete-graphics-sleek-thin-devices/

 

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The new product, which will be part of our 8th Gen Intel Core family, brings together our high-performing Intel Core H-series processor, second generation High Bandwidth Memory (HBM2) and a custom-to-Intel third-party discrete graphics chip from AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group* – all in a single processor package.

It’s a prime example of hardware and software innovations intersecting to create something amazing that fills a unique market gap. Helping to deliver on our vision for this new class of product, we worked with the team at AMD’s Radeon Technologies Group. In close collaboration, we designed a new semi-custom graphics chip, which means this is also a great example of how we can compete and work together, ultimately delivering innovation that is good for consumers.

So this was the semi-custom design AMD talked about a while back. But it has happened. Here's Intel's video:

 

 

So yeah. We now have an Intel CPU with an AMD RTG GPU in the 35-55W TDP range.

 

Here's how they did that:

 

 

That's a single HBM2 stack so we're likely limited to 4GB of video RAM. The details of the AMD GPU are unknown at this point, likely to be a Vega-based GPU, but things as SP count and clock speeds are not known yet.

[ashu1106]

Engadget: Intel squeezed an AMD graphics chip and RAM onto a CPU. Engadget: Intel squeezed an AMD graphics chip and RAM onto a CPU. https://www.engadget.com/2017/11/06/intel-core-h-8th-gen/

[Trixanity]

A bit unrelated but do we know if anyone else (particularly AMD) have EMIB in the pipeline? It seems like it's far superior to an interposer.

[iRileyx]

Can't help but think maybe AMD have shot themselves in the foot here.

Sounds like its their gpu techonology from their APU's, but paired with Intel's CPU power... I can already guess which will be the better performer when it comes to gaming. maybe even for other uses depending on the core counts.

[Sauron]

Nice. I'm kind of wondering why they haven't done the same with some ryzen chips, what's stopping them?

[Sauron]

Just now, RKRiley said:

Can't help but think maybe AMD have shot themselves in the foot here.

Sounds like its their gpu techonology from their APU's, but paired with Intel's CPU power... I can already guess which will be the better performer when it comes to gaming.

From what we've seen so far, mobile ryzen has no reason to fear the comparison with intel's offerings.

[Bananasplit_00]

didnt Intel and or AMD go out and say that this was not happaning? like one or two times already? and now it is on again? wut... 

[captain cactus]

Just now, RKRiley said:

Can't help but think maybe AMD have shot themselves in the foot here.

Sounds like its their gpu techonology from their APU's, but paired with Intel's CPU power... I can already guess which will be the better performer when it comes to gaming.

AMD's Raven Ridge is competing in the ULV-powered space, not the higher-power laptop chips. AMD doesn't have anything in that space yet, getting a GPU in there with a fast CPU will get them some well needed money.