"The Gigabit internet War" continues in Hungary

[Syntaxvgm]

3 minutes ago, Thermosman said:

its unlimited no limits in taxachusetts lmao

they rolled 1TB out nationwide, even to the multi-gigabit tier I was told. And of course you can pay them more to not have a cap. 

[Thermosman]

1 minute ago, samcool55 said:

The pricing doesn't make sense but it's not that bad depending what you get then tbh it's not that bad. I would get the same as the one you have tbh. Speed isn't great but price is good and it's unlimited, also i rarely use 80, usually it farts somewhere around 20-30 so higher speeds aren't very useful most of the time.

I never knew that in other countries they had data limits  Its a sad world out there

[Syntaxvgm]

Just now, Thermosman said:

I never knew that in other countries they had data limits  Its a sad world out there

I had comcast for 10 years with no data cap then they added one. It's fucking backwards progress. 

 

[Thermosman]

7 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

What about data limits?

Also how the hell do you get 2000mbps? It's expensive but holy crap that's fast.

I have to pay 100+ euro's for 200/20 WITH data limit, but i don't (i pay about 40 for 80/5 unlimited)

we only have data limits on the cheapest cellular service plans

[samcool55]

2 minutes ago, Thermosman said:

I never knew that in other countries they had data limits  Its a sad world out there

Oh yeah don't you worry data caps are still here.

73 euro for 200/20 and a 650GB or 500GB datacap during the day. (night is unlimited)

 

Or, datacap galore, 51 euro's, 100/10 and a 200GB datacap...

 

They keep saying they are the fastest which is sort of true but they are expensive AF and datacaps everywhere, no ty.

 

[heimdali]

3 hours ago, Ithanul said:

Understandable that large cities don't have the bandwidth.  Major advantage I get by hitting an tower in the country side (less users hitting it).

 

Depends on who you get as the provider.  Satellite is going to have bad ping times.  If super lucky, I manage 450ms pings (on a good clear day).  Most of the time though 640-670ms pings are the average for me.  What super sucks for me: the 20GB cap on data.  Not sure how satellite providers in EU would be like.

They are ridiculous in that you can get something basic (i. e. not actually useable) at reasonable prices, but they also do not make any guarantees as to what bandwidth you will actually have, and when you want a static IP, it can get too expensive.  Actual bandwidth is an issue because they say stuff like 50 users sharing a 20Mbit link or something like that, so you´re being screwed over yet again.  They even claim you could use it for phone calls, but the ping times already forbid that.  Phones have become more or less unusable these days already because of the latency, especially with cell phones.

 

Anyway, I could get something satellite that looks better than what I have now on paper, but what I have now looks better on paper than the satellite, so switching to satellite might make things only worse.  Add to that the difficulties of installing a dish and running the cable, the price of the equipment and the ridiculous ping times, and they have to make a much much better offer than they do.

 

I want a static IP, and all providers need to be obliged to specify minimum bandwidth and a limit on reaction time in case the connection doesn´t work, plus they need to pay heavy penalties when they do not deliver what they promise, with strong control which actually works.  Without that, they will all continue to screw their customers over big time.

 

[Thermosman]

20 minutes ago, samcool55 said:

Oh yeah don't you worry data caps are still here.

73 euro for 200/20 and a 650GB or 500GB datacap during the day. (night is unlimited)

 

Or, datacap galore, 51 euro's, 100/10 and a 200GB datacap...

 

They keep saying they are the fastest which is sort of true but they are expensive AF and datacaps everywhere, no ty.

 

are you guaranteed net neutrality in the EU?

[samcool55]

Just now, Thermosman said:

are you guaranteed net neutrality in the EU?

Not really... both have cellular data limits but 1 of the 2 ISP's has the option to have 1 app excluded from your datacap, you can only choose from a very limited list so it's not exactly neutral...

[heimdali]

3 hours ago, samcool55 said:

Well the 2 big isp's have almost 100% coverage of the whole country so they do compete with each other.

But for some reason they don't and a third competitor can easily jump in, put fiber basically everywhere (again, belgium is a small country) and compete the sh*t out of the other 2.

 

Prices of the 2 big ISP's is going up actually (it went up in price like 2-3 times already this year) so as time moves on it's getting a bigger and bigger potential market and more profit. A new competitor can easily ask 50 bucks for 100/100 with no data limit. The competition is stuck with copper and coax so fiber can easily compete them to death.

 

Again, belgium isn't big, you can go from the furthest south-east corner to the furthest north-west corner with a car in 3-4 hours... You can even do it with public transport in a single day.

ISPs do not compete, they are not interested in getting customers, and they treat their customers like shit.  The only thing they are about is making money, and it doesn´t pay out to invest billions into putting cables into the ground, into the hardware needed to provide connections and into the ppl maintaining it all --- if you even can find such ppl.

 

So don´t hold your breath.  It doesn´t matter that Belgium isn´t a large country.

 

Besides, what do you expect since they turn off the streetlights at night? It was always nice to drive through when they still had those ...

 

[TheKDub]

1 hour ago, samcool55 said:

What about data limits?

Also how the hell do you get 2000mbps? It's expensive but holy crap that's fast.

I have to pay 100+ euro's for 200/20 WITH data limit, but i don't (i pay about 40 for 80/5 unlimited)

1TB/month is the data cap for Comcast/Xfinity I think

[Bananasplit_00]

ha and i cant even get a solid 15/1 here and they want €4000 to get the fucking fiber from the road to the house...

[Ithanul]

1 hour ago, heimdali said:

They are ridiculous in that you can get something basic (i. e. not actually useable) at reasonable prices, but they also do not make any guarantees as to what bandwidth you will actually have, and when you want a static IP, it can get too expensive.  Actual bandwidth is an issue because they say stuff like 50 users sharing a 20Mbit link or something like that, so you´re being screwed over yet again.  They even claim you could use it for phone calls, but the ping times already forbid that.  Phones have become more or less unusable these days already because of the latency, especially with cell phones.

 

Anyway, I could get something satellite that looks better than what I have now on paper, but what I have now looks better on paper than the satellite, so switching to satellite might make things only worse.  Add to that the difficulties of installing a dish and running the cable, the price of the equipment and the ridiculous ping times, and they have to make a much much better offer than they do.

 

I want a static IP, and all providers need to be obliged to specify minimum bandwidth and a limit on reaction time in case the connection doesn´t work, plus they need to pay heavy penalties when they do not deliver what they promise, with strong control which actually works.  Without that, they will all continue to screw their customers over big time.

 

Static IP tends to be an extra cost.  By the ISPs viewpoint, that is something a business requires not the standard customer.  Yes, it sucks that is their viewpoint.  Probably too that they know they can charge extra because the average consumer don't even know what that term means.

 

I highly agree.  I wish ISPs where held more accountable, especially here in the States.  Also considering the way businesses and companies are going, a person needs an Internet connection to apply to jobs, check payroll, do college class work, file unemployment, and many other tasks.  Pretty much, if you don't have Internet, you are at a huge disadvantage.

[Mihle]

1 hour ago, Thermosman said:

are you guaranteed net neutrality in the EU?

I don't think EU in itself have much laws on it, but some countries in EU does.

 

EDIT: actually, EU does have laws for it.

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ISPs are prohibited from blocking or slowing down of Internet traffic, except where necessary. The exceptions are limited to: traffic management to comply with a legal order, to ensure network integrity and security, and to manage congestion, provided that equivalent categories of traffic are treated equally. 

But, excluding something from the data cap that is on your phone, is not against it. Because it's not slowing or blocking something spesific.

[Syntaxvgm]

This thread must be what starving people in third world countries think of "cake boss" 

[mynameisjuan]

17 hours ago, heimdali said:

The only thing they are about is making money,

Well um .....you know they are a business right? 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

On 11/5/2017 at 5:07 PM, TMS said:

 

A little more than a year ago one of the ISPs in Hungary (Digi) started to offer gigabit internet options for cheap (less than $20). Another one (Telekom HU) started to provide a gigabit subscription a year ago too in response and now it's providing a new subscription with a maximum download speed of 2 Gbit/s.

 

Are they bundling a 5 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s network card with it, or they just go beyond 1 Gb/s for the marketing points?

(or the two devices simultaneously saturating their Ethernet adapters that nobody has?)

[TMS]

20 hours ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

Are they bundling a 5 Gb/s or 10 Gb/s network card with it, or they just go beyond 1 Gb/s for the marketing points?

(or the two devices simultaneously saturating their Ethernet adapters that nobody has?)

Their official statement was that the full speed of the connection could only be achieved by using the network from multiple devices and I do not have any further information about what this exactly means.